Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
This board is a crazy beast that's for sure but not even us HARDCORE Valiant fans can make THAT big of a dent into a print run of 42,000.
Even buying 50-100 copies like some people on this board are doing.
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
ya im sure we ate up 2500 issues right here alone.
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
Well, (and I'm making an assumption here...please correct me if I need to be) we've bought up a lot of Paradise's stock which is 4% of the entire run and many more of us are getting multiple copies from either a LCS or DCBS / Mailordercomics.com.betterthanezra wrote:This board is a crazy beast that's for sure but not even us HARDCORE Valiant fans can make THAT big of a dent into a print run of 42,000.
Even buying 50-100 copies like some people on this board are doing.
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I wonder how many copies members of this board have bought....honestly? I don't suppose there's any way to know, but we could at least move into the 5% range. That's a tremendous boost for such a small demographic.
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
If that's the case it's only 16.8% of the print run.superman-prime wrote:ya im sure we ate up 2500 issues right here alone.
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
I come up with 5.9%....betterthanezra wrote:If that's the case it's only 16.8% of the print run.superman-prime wrote:ya im sure we ate up 2500 issues right here alone.
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
Your right I have the same Math skills as DinoTim wrote:I come up with 5.9%....betterthanezra wrote:If that's the case it's only 16.8% of the print run.superman-prime wrote:ya im sure we ate up 2500 issues right here alone.
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
robertliefeld @robertliefeld I just ordered 1000 copies of XO #1 from Diamond! eBay here I come!!
Yay! We've converted Liefeld!
Dan Storm @DanStorm @robertliefeld Nice try Liefeld. Diamond is sold out! #warisdefinitelycoming @ValiantComics
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
need to add up what we all got after we get it
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
This.xodacia81 wrote:That said, I do think there's going to be a false speculative bubble. Hopefully they print to real demand/orders rather than anything else.
I've kinda stated this elsewhere. VEI is certainly well served with a big launch. But whiffs of bubbles can have an opposite effect.
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
I can tell you how many you guys bought from me so far. 615Tim wrote: Well, (and I'm making an assumption here...please correct me if I need to be) we've bought up a lot of Paradise's stock which is 4% of the entire run and many more of us are getting multiple copies from either a LCS or DCBS / Mailordercomics.com.
I wonder how many copies members of this board have bought....honestly? I don't suppose there's any way to know, but we could at least move into the 5% range. That's a tremendous boost for such a small demographic.
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
What a *SQUEE*, he didn't even deserve Warrens attention, but I loved the reply, none the less.
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
Poor Johnny public's got short memory...This dude is a joke and a half and the public still eats it up..Glad to say I was never a fan!
Couldn't keep my promise!
Dude just urks me because I know his history and his crappy "art"... and for him to take a jab at Valiant is just so ironic to me because Valiant is everything that his IMAGE never was, could or will be.
Victory will come When Valiant shows this public what great creative art is!
It's like the Eddie Murphy line: If you starving and somebody throws you a cracker, your gonna be like Got damn that's the best cracker I ever had in my life!!
Watch when Valiant starts dishing out these gourmet meals: Salmon & steak, shrimp & lobster!!
Think them crackers are going to be desirable & tasty after that!? I think NOT!
Couldn't keep my promise!
Dude just urks me because I know his history and his crappy "art"... and for him to take a jab at Valiant is just so ironic to me because Valiant is everything that his IMAGE never was, could or will be.
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
I ordered well over 200 copies and I'm still waiting for my Payola. Dino knows my number.Tim wrote:Is there ANY truth to this....?Liefeld wrote:Just had 2 more retailers tell me Valiant deal of order 200 copies we will re-imburse you for 175 PAYOLA. I did my term paper on PAYOLA
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Liefeld has some valid points. I think he knows hes actually advertising for Valiant too. I invited him to come join the board
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
This 42000 order is great. I think numbers will drop, of course, but having that 1:20 book on the first three X-O may still keep numbers around 20,000, right? Even that isn't bad for a third issue. I plan to give away many of my extra copies to find more fans.
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While I agree with where you're coming from Tim that this board cannot sustain these numbers and there will be a drop-off, I do think this book will pick up new readers so the drop-off may not be as bad as you expect. Will new readers replace the sales lost to people not picking up 50-100 copies who knows? Will it happen by issue #2? I don't know, but it may happen sooner then we expect.Tim wrote:My question is how this is sustainable? Everyone knows that the numbers are going to drop, but I think it's going to be a shock to some as far as how much of a drop. This board is very excited...enough to order huge quantities of first issues, but when that wears off and we're down to buying 1, 2 copies, what then?paradise wrote:... I had at least 40 people buy between 14 and over 100 copies of the book before it even came out.
You're a retailer...the fact that you ordered 2000 copies is not a big surprise as you realized there was a market you could sell to (this board) and you capitalized on it. The people that ordered 50-100 copies are the ones I'm concerned about. That will not last.
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ckb wrote:I ordered well over 200 copies and I'm still waiting for my Payola. Dino knows my number.Tim wrote:Is there ANY truth to this....?Liefeld wrote:Just had 2 more retailers tell me Valiant deal of order 200 copies we will re-imburse you for 175 PAYOLA. I did my term paper on PAYOLA
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I'm excited and nervous at the same time.
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Where is your Valiant blog?Jay Tomio wrote:Going to have to rsetart my VALIANT blog, just got to change the name to get the yucky IMAGE relation out of it
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Fantastic. I absolutely will check it out.Jay Tomio wrote:It was a tumblr following VALIANT release news. Deathmate Witness. Starting new, will let peeps know. Really like X-O #1, so hyped again. Got to think of a new domain name first. Won't be on tumblr, it's just not a powerful enough platform.kevinbastos wrote:Where is your Valiant blog?Jay Tomio wrote:Going to have to rsetart my VALIANT blog, just got to change the name to get the yucky IMAGE relation out of it
After almost a year of quietly growing mine, I am ready to do a full-on crazy launch over the weekend. A small handful of things to catch-up on first. I hope it will be fun - and somewhat helpful.
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
He's not my type.bobby97801 wrote:Screw him!!!
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Last night before I went to bed I swear I FOLLOWED Liefeld. This morning it says I am not following him, so I hit the FOLLOW button again and I get this ....
LOL!! I guess he didn't like the comment that Greg made about him being another year late with Deathmate Red ... I tweeted him Greg's comment
LOL!! I guess he didn't like the comment that Greg made about him being another year late with Deathmate Red ... I tweeted him Greg's comment
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Re: Is Rob Liefeld calling BS on the Valiant sales numbers?
400yrs wrote:greg wrote:Name a recent #1 issue that was successful and has no variants.400yrs wrote:To be fair, I see what he is saying. It's the variants that are boosting the initial sales on issue #1. There's no denying that.
Saga. The C2E2 doesn't count because it wasn't a launch book.
On a smaller scale, many other Image #1s. And if we are talking about books with only one variant and not three, then alot more books.
Marvel and DC usually will do one variant cover unless it's one of their main books and they may do more than one variant, but not always. Dynamite comes up with lots of variants. 4 different covers is alot of different covers.
I'm not saying they are over-doing it like Dynamite does, but that I can see his point.
I bet if Warren sends him a copy of the book, he will read it and will say good things about it. Rob loves comics. He has lots of haters though.
IDW is doing 55 covers for their upcoming new Mars Attacks series. Plus what was it close to 100 store exclusive covers for Godzilla: Kingdom of Monsters #1.
Frankly IMHO I think variant covers are a complete and total waste. In the long run they don't help sales beyond the first few couple issues. By the seventh issues of all their books VEI should just stop doing them after that they will know if they're going to succeed or fail as a comic book publisher. If they succeed then they use the money to hire top-notch creators to put out more great comics and if they fail well there is no sense in hiring creators to covers if you can't pay them for their time.
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