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So, I have to admit. When I first was reading Bloodshot as it is coming out, I had no idea what was going on. I really wasn't caring for it much. However, I have re-read all the issues after learning of the Harbinger Wars, and I must say, it all makes much more sense to me, and it has climbed the ranks to become a favorite book of mine. so, I implore anyone else who felt that Bloodshot was over their head, or they didn't understand what was going on to re-read with this new knowledge, and I believe you will see how well this has all been pieced together. Hopefully, Harbinger Wars will really set the Valiant Universe on fire!
Oh, and I re-read A&A #4 again (still my favorite issue). They make reference to the fact that Archer is a Harbinger, or Psiot, or whatever we are calling them nowadays. Not sure if his parents "picked him up" from Project Rising Spirit, but they definitely elude to something along those lines. Could make for an A&A/ Bloodshot tie-in.
Oh, and I re-read A&A #4 again (still my favorite issue). They make reference to the fact that Archer is a Harbinger, or Psiot, or whatever we are calling them nowadays. Not sure if his parents "picked him up" from Project Rising Spirit, but they definitely elude to something along those lines. Could make for an A&A/ Bloodshot tie-in.
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I'd guess all the "brothers and sisters" of the Archer family are going to be connected to psiots and possibly from "the nursery" of PRS.Bone-A-Fach-ee wrote: Oh, and I re-read A&A #4 again (still my favorite issue). They make reference to the fact that Archer is a Harbinger, or Psiot, or whatever we are calling them nowadays. Not sure if his parents "picked him up" from Project Rising Spirit, but they definitely elude to something along those lines. Could make for an A&A/ Bloodshot tie-in.
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Bloodshot was my favorite series up until the lame Bonesaw villain thing or whatever that was. Bloodshot in classic valiant was really bad IMO and I was very much enjoying EVERYTHING about the book until they threw in that 90s villain concept (and a lame one at that). That instantly turned me off and I haven't felt bad about not buying the book since then. They took something fresh and threw it back into the 90s.
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I completely agree. Through issues 1-4 Bloodshot was becoming my favorite series. Issues 5 and 6 were terrible. The concept was stupid. Issue 7 was better and I hope from here on out it gets back on track because as the first story shows the book can be really good.400yrs wrote:Bloodshot was my favorite series up until the lame Bonesaw villain thing or whatever that was. Bloodshot in classic valiant was really bad IMO and I was very much enjoying EVERYTHING about the book until they threw in that 90s villain concept (and a lame one at that).
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They were in 1 1/2 issues...and now half of them are dead. The rest will be dead by the end of the next issue, guaranteed. It's not like they will be part of the supporting cast. I don't get all the hate over it...I mean, Bloodshot himself is a cheesy 90s conceptFormerReader wrote:I completely agree. Through issues 1-4 Bloodshot was becoming my favorite series. Issues 5 and 6 were terrible. The concept was stupid. Issue 7 was better and I hope from here on out it gets back on track because as the first story shows the book can be really good.400yrs wrote:Bloodshot was my favorite series up until the lame Bonesaw villain thing or whatever that was. Bloodshot in classic valiant was really bad IMO and I was very much enjoying EVERYTHING about the book until they threw in that 90s villain concept (and a lame one at that).
Chainsaw are just cannon fodder that poses slightly more of a threat than generic PRS guards with machine guns and have had no negative impact on the story--which continues to be very good, IMHO.
My only complaint about the book is that Bloodshot ends up shirtless more than Matthew McConaughey.
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I don't hate it. It just really, really absolutely threw me out of the story. The thing is that yes, Bloodshot WAS a cheesy 90s concept. HOWEVER, this early version of Bloodshot transcended that big time moreso than any of the other VEI books. Then, they throw in this crapily thought out 90s knock-off group of villains?BugsySig wrote: They were in 1 1/2 issues...and now half of them are dead. The rest will be dead by the end of the next issue, guaranteed. It's not like they will be part of the supporting cast. I don't get all the hate over it...I mean, Bloodshot himself is a cheesy 90s concept
I don't know if they really thought that Chainsaw was well thought out and well-designed or if it was meant to be a homage to the 90s, but either way, it took something that had moved beyond the 90s crap and threw it right back into that era which was sooooooo terrible.
I'd bet that orders on Bloodshot decrease here in the next few months simply because of that mistep.
Yeah, but they were elevated beyond a generic PRS guard within the story which is the problem I had. They were focused on too much for a crappy villain.BugsySig wrote:Chainsaw are just cannon fodder that poses slightly more of a threat than generic PRS guards with machine guns and have had no negative impact on the story--which continues to be very good, IMHO.
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Its just the biggest issue I keep hearing with them is the design. Bloodshot is an albino with a giant red circle on his chest...different strokes for different folks, I guess. I thought the disfigured look of Chainsaw worked as an insight into the base nature of PRS and how far they are willing to go in their experimentation just to produce these soldiers. So the one guy has a giant gun? XO has a blue and yellow suit of living armor that shoots lasers400yrs wrote:I don't hate it. It just really, really absolutely threw me out of the story. The thing is that yes, Bloodshot WAS a cheesy 90s concept. HOWEVER, this early version of Bloodshot transcended that big time moreso than any of the other VEI books. Then, they throw in this crapily thought out 90s knock-off group of villains?BugsySig wrote: They were in 1 1/2 issues...and now half of them are dead. The rest will be dead by the end of the next issue, guaranteed. It's not like they will be part of the supporting cast. I don't get all the hate over it...I mean, Bloodshot himself is a cheesy 90s concept
I don't know if they really thought that Chainsaw was well thought out and well-designed or if it was meant to be a homage to the 90s, but either way, it took something that had moved beyond the 90s crap and threw it right back into that era which was sooooooo terrible.
I'd bet that orders on Bloodshot decrease here in the next few months simply because of that mistep.
Yeah, but they were elevated beyond a generic PRS guard within the story which is the problem I had. They were focused on too much for a crappy villain.BugsySig wrote:Chainsaw are just cannon fodder that poses slightly more of a threat than generic PRS guards with machine guns and have had no negative impact on the story--which continues to be very good, IMHO.
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A friend of mine on Facebook, Michael Sacal is claiming he created the chainsaw character.
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I loved that issue with him breaking into PRS headquarters ... And facing off against chainsaw.
As bugsy states - it's further insight to the lengths of how far PRS will go to create their super soldiers. I think they fit into the dark nature of this comic to a tee. I think they are great disposable freak villains for Bloodshot to have his way with. I loved the scene where he stick his elbow bone into the monsters neck. How can you not have LOVED that? One of the best scenes of the valiant relaunch.
As bugsy states - it's further insight to the lengths of how far PRS will go to create their super soldiers. I think they fit into the dark nature of this comic to a tee. I think they are great disposable freak villains for Bloodshot to have his way with. I loved the scene where he stick his elbow bone into the monsters neck. How can you not have LOVED that? One of the best scenes of the valiant relaunch.
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I can see what you're saying, but it didn't throw me like it did you. And yes, we were treated to an AWESOME kill by the half arm/ neck stab. That was EPIC! But yes, I did understand the relevance of them being there, and really continue to enjoy the book.
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"Bloodshot", huh?
Yeah, I guess maybe I'll have ta' give that series a try sometime ...
Yeah, I guess maybe I'll have ta' give that series a try sometime ...
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Doood it's really really good you should check it out for sureBloodShot wrote:"Bloodshot", huh?
Yeah, I guess maybe I'll have ta' give that series a try sometime ...
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Man, I'm just not convinced yet.MarkRoseHFX wrote:Doood it's really really good you should check it out for sureBloodShot wrote:"Bloodshot", huh?
Yeah, I guess maybe I'll have ta' give that series a try sometime ...
I know you're probably right. But I'm awfully busy still tryin' ta' finish the iconic space opera otherwise known as Star Watchers. It's soooooo awesome !
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Bubba wrote:A friend of mine on Facebook, Michael Sacal is claiming he created the chainsaw character.
really?
Was MOTA given credit in the book?
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I just bumped an old thread for you that has the info.Blood of Heroes wrote:Bubba wrote:A friend of mine on Facebook, Michael Sacal is claiming he created the chainsaw character.
really?
Was MOTA given credit in the book?
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I didn't have any problems with the chainsaw issues. I thought that last Bloodshot where the entire issue was nothing but a back-up story was a snoozer. I'll keep reading it though as overall it's been an entertaining book.
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Thanks. I missed that thread.Bubba wrote:I just bumped an old thread for you that has the info.Blood of Heroes wrote:Bubba wrote:A friend of mine on Facebook, Michael Sacal is claiming he created the chainsaw character.
really?
Was MOTA given credit in the book?
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I was just rereading Busiek's run on Avengers. Then I noticed a Manuel Garcia doing art in betwen the Alan Davis and the Kieron Dwyer issues. Is this the same Garcia of Bloodshot? I can not quite make the connection from the art style alone.
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I hate to say it, but I really dislike the Chainsaw team too.
In fact, I'm even going so far as to buy the Hairsine and Crain variant cover of Bloodshot this month even though I never bother with variant covers, because I just hate the cover that has the Chainsaw team on it.
I do understand what they're 'about', insofar as "this is how far PRS will go to create super soldiers" and I'm happy with that idea, but artistically there's almost nothing that I personally like about them, and their punctuation-free method of communication seriously, seriously annoys me. The way their 'casual comments' appear no different from their 'solider drill speak' really doesn't 'add' to their character at all and just serves to confuse readers into what type of 'people' these characters are, in my opinion.
I think, all in all, if any of the Valiant staff read these forums (and probably more specifically, this thread) then they may realise that they didn't *quite* hit the nail on the head here with these particular enemies, and will hopefully become more determined to come up with something a little better, or cooler, or more exciting, or whatever else, for the next baddy I for one wouldn't dream of dropping the series just because of this one little hiccupp, and will be looking forward to seeing what/who crops up as Bloodshot's next big nemesis after the Harbinger Wars
By the way, the arm-bone stab was awesome!
And personally, Bloodshot's topless image is the 'definitive' way that I think of him, so it's not really a problem for me. What I do really like is the way that he manages to die and come back to life at least once per issue. I think that's very funny. I haven't read the original comic series, but think it's funny to imagine the creative team sitting in a meeting going:
Director - "We have this old character called 'Bloodshot' who can move faster and is stronger than any human and who shoots guns and stuff... But I think he needs a superpower too. Any ideas guys?"
Someone else - "Oo! I know! DYING!"
In fact, I'm even going so far as to buy the Hairsine and Crain variant cover of Bloodshot this month even though I never bother with variant covers, because I just hate the cover that has the Chainsaw team on it.
I do understand what they're 'about', insofar as "this is how far PRS will go to create super soldiers" and I'm happy with that idea, but artistically there's almost nothing that I personally like about them, and their punctuation-free method of communication seriously, seriously annoys me. The way their 'casual comments' appear no different from their 'solider drill speak' really doesn't 'add' to their character at all and just serves to confuse readers into what type of 'people' these characters are, in my opinion.
I think, all in all, if any of the Valiant staff read these forums (and probably more specifically, this thread) then they may realise that they didn't *quite* hit the nail on the head here with these particular enemies, and will hopefully become more determined to come up with something a little better, or cooler, or more exciting, or whatever else, for the next baddy I for one wouldn't dream of dropping the series just because of this one little hiccupp, and will be looking forward to seeing what/who crops up as Bloodshot's next big nemesis after the Harbinger Wars
By the way, the arm-bone stab was awesome!
And personally, Bloodshot's topless image is the 'definitive' way that I think of him, so it's not really a problem for me. What I do really like is the way that he manages to die and come back to life at least once per issue. I think that's very funny. I haven't read the original comic series, but think it's funny to imagine the creative team sitting in a meeting going:
Director - "We have this old character called 'Bloodshot' who can move faster and is stronger than any human and who shoots guns and stuff... But I think he needs a superpower too. Any ideas guys?"
Someone else - "Oo! I know! DYING!"
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I may be in the minority on this - but I loved issues five and six. A great roll of a time. Active and re-introducing concepts from the 90's in a fresh form and forum. I thought they were fun.
On the other side, I thought the seventh issue was much worse.
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I don't know why everyone hates them so badly. I have like every issue to Bloodshot so far. It tied for #2 with X-O in my opinion, and I see it edging X-O out if it continues to improve.kevinbastos wrote:I may be in the minority on this - but I loved issues five and six. A great roll of a time. Active and re-introducing concepts from the 90's in a fresh form and forum. I thought they were fun.
On the other side, I thought the seventh issue was much worse.
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Dude, you're welcome to do so: Nobody can *ever* claim that someone else's opinion is wrong. So worry not ^_^kevinbastos wrote:I may be in the minority, but I will defend my opinion.
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Any opinion that differs from mine is obviously wrong.Shadowman99 wrote:Dude, you're welcome to do so: Nobody can *ever* claim that someone else's opinion is wrong. So worry not ^_^kevinbastos wrote:I may be in the minority, but I will defend my opinion.
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For me personally Bloodshot has been the biggest surprise - in a good way. I probably had the lowest expectations for this series (wasn't a big fan of Bloodshot in VH1 and didn't even bother to pick up the Acclaim series) but right now it is competing with X-O as my favorite series for VEI. The art has been great IMHO (Garcia) and the story has kept my attention month in and month out. Cannot wait to read the next issue, and then see what happens in the Harbinger Wars for Bloodshot.
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