Bloodshot Series

[BloodShot]

Any opinion that differs from mine is obviously wrong.

I completely disagree.

But don't worry; if I actually need your opinion, I'll just give it you .

[xodacia81]

Any opinion that differs from mine is obviously wrong.

I completely disagree.

But don't worry; if I actually need your opinion, I'll just give it you .

You can't give it to him until I've approved what it will be in the first place

[BloodShot]

Any opinion that differs from mine is obviously wrong.

I completely disagree.

But don't worry; if I actually need your opinion, I'll just give it you .

You can't give it to him until I've approved what it will be in the first place

Fair enough .

[xodacia81]

[lorddunlow]

I'm getting uncomfortable with all of this talk of people "giving it to me".

I'm scared now.

[Dr. Solar]

I loved issue 5, and issue 6 had some sweet action.

I don't mind Chainsaw so much, especially since Bloodshot is basically handing their @$$es back to them on a platter.

Issue 7 was cool enough, but didn't feel as relevant to me as the rest of the issues. To me, it has been the slowest of the series.

Bloodshot leading an army of Psiot children he releases from PRS? How can you not like that!

[grendeljd]

I loved issue 5, and issue 6 had some sweet action.

I don't mind Chainsaw so much, especially since Bloodshot is basically handing their @$$es back to them on a platter.

Issue 7 was cool enough, but didn't feel as relevant to me as the rest of the issues. To me, it has been the slowest of the series.

Bloodshot leading an army of Psiot children he releases from PRS? How can you not like that!

I'll say that I enjoyed this incarnation of Chainsaw, even if they do have a bit of a retro-90's feel ['Gunner' in particular, the rest aren't too bad]. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens to them in #8 next week. Could they have been re-designed a little better? Maybe... but they work for what they are, as is.

I really liked #7 as well - it maybe didn't live up to the 'Harbinger Hunter' hype surrounding it, but thats more due to having an over active imagination on my part as to the many possibilities, and not a lot of info to go on from the teases at the time. It was a well written look at a piece of Bloodshots past, and I look forward to more of that to come.

[Big Red]

I may be in the minority on this - but I loved issues five and six. A great roll of a time. Active and re-introducing concepts from the 90's in a fresh form and forum. I thought they were fun.

On the other side, I thought the seventh issue was much worse.

I may be in the minority, but I will defend my opinion.

I'm with you.

I loved issues 5 & 6 too.

but I also really enjoyed 7.

Bloodshot is tied with Harbinger for my second favorite Valiant book.

[Man-of-The-Atom]

A friend of mine on Facebook, Michael Sacal is claiming he created the chainsaw character.

So, to clarify; once upon a time Dinesh asked me to reimagine Chainsaw (a group of characters that appeared in VH 2 Bloodshot), for their inclusion in VEI.

Though the team did appear in the comic, I cannot take credit for THAT iteration. I don't recall off-hand how much or how little what appeared in the comic resembles what I came up with. It was probably nothing at all.

I did get authorization from Dinesh to make this public, which I have.

Likewise, I got permission to take credit for two ideas of mine making it to print in the first VEI issues of X-O Manowar and Archer & Armstrong.

In the latter, I suggested that Mary-Maria give Archer his journal. As for the former, it may have been one thing of significance (though in all likelihood that was already in play at VEI) or just the panel when Aric puts a piece of broken sword in his mouth when the Vine aliens capture him.

[Man-of-The-Atom]

A friend of mine on Facebook, Michael Sacal is claiming he created the chainsaw character.

really?


Was MOTA given credit in the book?

No, because of what was stated before.

My name does appear in two VALIANT comics, though; one was an anniversary issue that listed everyone ever involved with VALIANT and the other was the FCBD 2014 VALIANT Universe Handbook, where I'm given "Special thanks" in the credits page.

[Ryan]

So, to clarify; once upon a time Dinesh asked me to reimagine Chainsaw (a group of characters that appeared in VH 2 Bloodshot), for their inclusion in VEI.

Though the team did appear in the comic, I cannot take credit for THAT iteration. I don't recall off-hand how much or how little what appeared in the comic resembles what I came up with. It was probably nothing at all.

I did get authorization from Dinesh to make this public, which I have.

Likewise, I got permission to take credit for two ideas of mine making it to print in the first VEI issues of X-O Manowar and Archer & Armstrong.

In the latter, I suggested that Mary-Maria give Archer his journal. As for the former, it may have been one thing of significance (though in all likelihood that was already in play at VEI) or just the panel when Aric puts a piece of broken sword in his mouth when the Vine aliens capture him.

That's awesome. I still have all the VH2 Bloodshot issues but haven't read them in ages. I remember a lot of people on here really liking it. That sounds really fun though, I'd like to give that a reread.

[Man-of-The-Atom]

So, to clarify; once upon a time Dinesh asked me to reimagine Chainsaw (a group of characters that appeared in VH 2 Bloodshot), for their inclusion in VEI.

Though the team did appear in the comic, I cannot take credit for THAT iteration. I don't recall off-hand how much or how little what appeared in the comic resembles what I came up with. It was probably nothing at all.

I did get authorization from Dinesh to make this public, which I have.

Likewise, I got permission to take credit for two ideas of mine making it to print in the first VEI issues of X-O Manowar and Archer & Armstrong.

In the latter, I suggested that Mary-Maria give Archer his journal. As for the former, it may have been one thing of significance (though in all likelihood that was already in play at VEI) or just the panel when Aric puts a piece of broken sword in his mouth when the Vine aliens capture him.

That's awesome. I still have all the VH2 Bloodshot issues but haven't read them in ages. I remember a lot of people on here really liking it. That sounds really fun though, I'd like to give that a reread.

VH 2 Bloodshot was probably the best VH 2 series.

[SwiftMann]

VH 2 Bloodshot was probably the best VH 2 series.

Wow. Could not disagree more. It was down there with Ninjak and Eternal Warriors as the worst VH2 series for me.

[Man-of-The-Atom]

VH 2 Bloodshot was probably the best VH 2 series.

Wow. Could not disagree more. It was down there with Ninjak and Eternal Warriors as the worst VH2 series for me.

How come?

What I like is that it could have built up from where the original left off, with the "reveal" that Angelo Mortalli was an undercover agent all along.

Sure, some things were absurd, like Simon Oreck, and some things made it impossible to be considered a true sequel, such as the revised origin. But all in all, it could have worked as part of VH 1 far better than most of the rest.

[Ryan]

VH 2 Bloodshot was probably the best VH 2 series.

Wow. Could not disagree more. It was down there with Ninjak and Eternal Warriors as the worst VH2 series for me.

What were your favorites? Q&W, Shadowman? I'm blanking, it's been forever since I read those.

I did like Ninjak at the time. Not because it fit in with VALIANT at all, I guess I just have a soft spot for the early Spider-Man type stories.

[Joshua]

I did not like VH2 Ninjak, X-O or anything with the Immortal Brothers. Oh, and the Harbinger one-shot was not great. I had the Bloodshots out a couple years back to get signed by Sal and I remember liking the series. I feel like I'd give a nod to Turok as I did like a lot of that when it came out but I've not re-read any Valiant Turok in many years.

[Man-of-The-Atom]

I did not like VH2 Ninjak, X-O or anything with the Immortal Brothers. Oh, and the Harbinger one-shot was not great. I had the Bloodshots out a couple years back to get signed by Sal and I remember liking the series. I feel like I'd give a nod to Turok as I did like a lot of that when it came out but I've not re-read any Valiant Turok in many years.

Agreed.

Ninjak re-imagined as Spider-Man and X-O Manowar re-imagined as Flash did not work at all. What didn't help is that given the writers involved (Astro City Busiek and Kingdom Come Waid) expectations were high.

It was like they just recycled what they were doing with Spider-Man and Flash expecting to get paid twice for doing the same thing.

Just imagine what might have been had Busiek done VALIANT in the style of Astro City. It would have been the perfect approach.

What also didn't help were jabs like this one by Busiek himself. It showed how little faith there was in the success of VH 2.

As for Eternal Warriors, yeah, it went terribly off the rails, turning into a bad pastiche of Highlander.

[Ryan]

I did not like VH2 Ninjak, X-O or anything with the Immortal Brothers. Oh, and the Harbinger one-shot was not great. I had the Bloodshots out a couple years back to get signed by Sal and I remember liking the series. I feel like I'd give a nod to Turok as I did like a lot of that when it came out but I've not re-read any Valiant Turok in many years.

It's weird that there wasn't an ongoing Turok series, just some one-shots and a mini series. The whole Turok being a lineage hero thing actually isn't a bad idea, better than most of the Turok reboots we've had.

[Ryan]

Agreed.

Ninjak re-imagined as Spider-Man and X-O Manowar re-imagined as Flash did not work at all. What didn't help is that given the writers involved (Astro City Busiek and Kingdom Come Waid) expectations were high.

It was like they just recycled what they were doing with Spider-Man and Flash expecting to get paid twice for doing the same thing.

Just imagine what might have been had Busiek done VALIANT in the style of Astro City. It would have been the perfect approach.

What also didn't help were jabs like this one by Busiek himself. It showed how little faith there was in the success of VH 2.

As for Eternal Warriors, yeah, it went terribly off the rails, turning into a bad pastiche of Highlander.

Never seen that Spawn page lol. It's really bothered me since Birthquake when big name creators come to VALIANT and treat it like a 3rd string place to phone it in and save their best stuff for the Big 2 or Image.

[Man-of-The-Atom]

I did not like VH2 Ninjak, X-O or anything with the Immortal Brothers. Oh, and the Harbinger one-shot was not great. I had the Bloodshots out a couple years back to get signed by Sal and I remember liking the series. I feel like I'd give a nod to Turok as I did like a lot of that when it came out but I've not re-read any Valiant Turok in many years.

It's weird that there wasn't an ongoing Turok series, just some one-shots and a mini series. The whole Turok being a lineage hero thing actually isn't a bad idea, better than most of the Turok reboots we've had.

There was a Turok ongoing, but it only lasted four issues that ended on a cliffhanger before VH 2 imploded.

[Man-of-The-Atom]

Agreed.

Ninjak re-imagined as Spider-Man and X-O Manowar re-imagined as Flash did not work at all. What didn't help is that given the writers involved (Astro City Busiek and Kingdom Come Waid) expectations were high.

It was like they just recycled what they were doing with Spider-Man and Flash expecting to get paid twice for doing the same thing.

Just imagine what might have been had Busiek done VALIANT in the style of Astro City. It would have been the perfect approach.

What also didn't help were jabs like this one by Busiek himself. It showed how little faith there was in the success of VH 2.

As for Eternal Warriors, yeah, it went terribly off the rails, turning into a bad pastiche of Highlander.

Never seen that Spawn page lol. It's really bothered me since Birthquake when big name creators come to VALIANT and treat it like a 3rd string place to phone it in and save their best stuff for the Big 2 or Image.

It was from an Image crossover called Shattered Image from when Top Cow split off from the Image Universe.

And yeah. We've seen creators to that sort of thing at other publishers like Wildstorm too, such as like when Morrison didn't really care that much about the WildC.A.T.S reboot.

[Ryan]

There was a Turok ongoing, but it only lasted four issues that ended on a cliffhanger before VH 2 imploded.

I forgot that was ongoing. Seems like VH2 only started making Turok comics after they did the video game.

It was from an Image crossover called Shattered Image from when Top Cow split off from the Image Universe.

And yeah. We've seen creators to that sort of thing at other publishers like Wildstorm too, such as like when Morrison didn't really care that much about the WildC.A.T.S reboot.

Good that VALIANT isn't alone at least. I do think the VALIANT characters aren't very respected in industry circles, and that's partly why there's even more of a tendency to ignore or just skim what has come before. Just my feeling though.

[Man-of-The-Atom]

I forgot that was ongoing. Seems like VH2 only started making Turok comics after they did the video game.

Yeah.

Good that VALIANT isn't alone at least. I do think the VALIANT characters aren't very respected in industry circles, and that's partly why there's even more of a tendency to ignore or just skim what has come before. Just my feeling though.

No doubt.

[SwiftMann]

VH 2 Bloodshot was probably the best VH 2 series.

Wow. Could not disagree more. It was down there with Ninjak and Eternal Warriors as the worst VH2 series for me.

How come?

What I like is that it could have built up from where the original left off, with the "reveal" that Angelo Mortalli was an undercover agent all along.

Sure, some things were absurd, like Simon Oreck, and some things made it impossible to be considered a true sequel, such as the revised origin. But all in all, it could have worked as part of VH 1 far better than most of the rest.

Copying and pasting from my re-read post a couple years ago... viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53143

Bloodshot – I read a couple issues of this a long time ago. Didn’t like it. Still don’t. It’s more of an approach problem* than an actual story problem. Although the story doesn’t seem terribly different than the original and (despite appearances by X-O and Shadowman) feels like it’s happening in its own universe.

*Babbling narrative boxes of random words attempting to sound literate – from #12: ”What’s left mewls flops jabbers in a swamp of tears agony excrement until the Triad’s offer. Let us help. Remake rebuild faster stronger better: the sins of Steve Austin.” WTF?!?

[SwiftMann]

VH 2 Bloodshot was probably the best VH 2 series.

Wow. Could not disagree more. It was down there with Ninjak and Eternal Warriors as the worst VH2 series for me.

What were your favorites? Q&W, Shadowman? I'm blanking, it's been forever since I read those.

I did like Ninjak at the time. Not because it fit in with VALIANT at all, I guess I just have a soft spot for the early Spider-Man type stories.

Q&W for sure. And, to my surprise, most of the other new concepts like Troublemakers, which was the emotional spine of VH2, and Trinity Angels, which was absurdist fun.

As for the legacy characters, I think they were getting somewhere good with Turok, but started far too late. Magnus, X-O, Shadowman, Solar, and Bloodshot were all various levels of meh for me.