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When would Eternal Warrior peak?

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Is there a point when his skills as a warrior could not progress further? Let's say he peaks with melee weapons in 80BC or something.

You know what i mean. What do you guys think?

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Well when he gets past the equivalent of his physical prime I would guess.

For an athlete that decline often occurs or at least starts in their early 30's so whatever the equivalent age would be for Gilad would be my take. That is assuming his aging is simply slowed.

However, if in the future he looks older but retains the same reflexive speed, hand eye coordination, endurance and strength, then who knows?
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English is not my first language. By peaking i mean when he cannot get better anymore.

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Lady Oiorpata wrote:English is not my first language. By peaking i mean when he cannot get better anymore.
Don't worry, your English is fine. :)

The point I am making is that skill is always going to be limited by the effects of aging; look at boxers and how they have to change how and who they fight over time.
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At first I was thinking he peaks at the summit. facepalm

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leonmallett wrote:
Lady Oiorpata wrote:English is not my first language. By peaking i mean when he cannot get better anymore.
Don't worry, your English is fine. :)

The point I am making is that skill is always going to be limited by the effects of aging; look at boxers and how they have to change how and who they fight over time.
Yeah but they are not in their prime for hundreds of years. They would run out of new skills to learn after a while and they would still be in their prime.

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leonmallett wrote:
Lady Oiorpata wrote:English is not my first language. By peaking i mean when he cannot get better anymore.
Don't worry, your English is fine. :)

The point I am making is that skill is always going to be limited by the effects of aging; look at boxers and how they have to change how and who they fight over time.
Yeah but they are not in their prime for hundreds of years. They would run out of new skills to learn after a while and they would still be in their prime.
His skills would continue to develop yes, but he is still getting older....


Which is why I would put his *skill* peak at the point where he is equivalent (in his slowed aging, after thousands of years) to his mid 30's. That may be several thousand years of his lifespan of course, and may even be around about 'now' for all we know.
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leonmallett wrote:His skills would continue to develop yes, but he is still getting older....

Which is why I would put his *skill* peak at the point where he is equivalent (in his slowed aging, after thousands of years) to his mid 30's. That may be several thousand years of his lifespan of course, and may even be around about 'now' for all we know.
That theory would be easy to figure out. :D

We just figure out the latest that he would have been "about 35".

They were in Ur in Archer & Armstrong #1 as "normal guys".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Assuming they were part of a later Ur civilization, around 3500 B.C., they would be 7,500 years old in A.D. 4000.

We can't keep age zero at 3500 B.C., because they were all grown enough to be "men of fighting age" at that time.
Gilad was the youngest, but he had already saved many lives in defense of the city.
Let's say he was the greatest fighter in history by age 16, so that we figure out the latest that he would have been "about 35".

Guessing age 16 at 3500 B.C. and something like 65 years old in A.D. 4000.
He would age 49 of his years over the span of 7,500 of our years.

Each of his years would be about 153 of our years.
19 of his years (plus his original 16) would happen 2,900 years later.

3,500 minus 2,900 would be 600 B.C.

He would be "about 35" in the year 600 B.C.

If you move Ur further back, then "age 35" moves further back.
If you make him 18 instead of 16, then "age 35" moves further back.
If you make him 75 in A.D. 4000 instead of 65, then "age 35" moves further back.

So, assuming he ages at a constant rate... he would be "about 35" at 600 B.C. or earlier.

BUT... if he ages more when he refuses to be the "Fist and Steel of the Earth", then we've got a slower-faster rate that can't be calculated.
He could be "about 35" for many, many, many years and then quickly age to 65+ if he refused to be the Earth's defender for a long time before A.D. 4000.

If extreme radiation also ages him quickly, he might have been "about 35" right up until just before A.D. 4000.

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facepalm I think I just aged faster while reading that. :P

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From a purely biological standpoint, physical ability, reflexes, senses, etc all begin declining around age 35-40 as mentioned.

I sort of see Gilad in 4001, though, like some of the old knights and warriors from Game of Thrones...They only seem to get better with age.

There is relatively little decline because their skills are so superior and practiced. Of course their bodies will fail them eventually, but for Gilad that may not be for tens of thousands of years.
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I would think, that he wouldn't peak at all. I hope Gilad would be smart enough to handle each opponent differently and account for that, meaning that as he ages, he's continually learning new techniques and skill sets as they come along. Given that by our time, He's 10,000 years old, and by 4001 he's 12,000 years old and looks about 55-60 I'd say He may have slowed down a bit, but not much to make him any less lethal in combat.
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He should peak with certain type of weapons after a while and not decline with them unless he is not practicing with them. I wonder if he learned how to use a long bow or he can shoot with reverse bow as well as a steppe native. The masters of those started as kids.

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Lady Oiorpata wrote:He should peak with certain type of weapons after a while and not decline with them unless he is not practicing with them. I wonder if he learned how to use a long bow or he can shoot with reverse bow as well as a steppe native. The masters of those started as kids.
Like any warrior he must have his preferences. He"s obviously partial to the battle axe and sword. But a weapon that takes decades to master wouldnt be a problem to an immortal who lives for thousands of years. Gilad must be a master of hundreds of weapons from dozens of cultures by now and even more by 4001. Heck, hes probably forgotten how to use more weapons than any normal person knows how to use.
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greg wrote:
leonmallett wrote:His skills would continue to develop yes, but he is still getting older....

Which is why I would put his *skill* peak at the point where he is equivalent (in his slowed aging, after thousands of years) to his mid 30's. That may be several thousand years of his lifespan of course, and may even be around about 'now' for all we know.
That theory would be easy to figure out. :D

We just figure out the latest that he would have been "about 35".

They were in Ur in Archer & Armstrong #1 as "normal guys".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Assuming they were part of a later Ur civilization, around 3500 B.C., they would be 7,500 years old in A.D. 4000.

We can't keep age zero at 3500 B.C., because they were all grown enough to be "men of fighting age" at that time.
Gilad was the youngest, but he had already saved many lives in defense of the city.
Let's say he was the greatest fighter in history by age 16, so that we figure out the latest that he would have been "about 35".

Guessing age 16 at 3500 B.C. and something like 65 years old in A.D. 4000.
He would age 49 of his years over the span of 7,500 of our years.

Each of his years would be about 153 of our years.
19 of his years (plus his original 16) would happen 2,900 years later.

3,500 minus 2,900 would be 600 B.C.

He would be "about 35" in the year 600 B.C.

If you move Ur further back, then "age 35" moves further back.
If you make him 18 instead of 16, then "age 35" moves further back.
If you make him 75 in A.D. 4000 instead of 65, then "age 35" moves further back.

So, assuming he ages at a constant rate... he would be "about 35" at 600 B.C. or earlier.

BUT... if he ages more when he refuses to be the "Fist and Steel of the Earth", then we've got a slower-faster rate that can't be calculated.
He could be "about 35" for many, many, many years and then quickly age to 65+ if he refused to be the Earth's defender for a long time before A.D. 4000.

If extreme radiation also ages him quickly, he might have been "about 35" right up until just before A.D. 4000.
I am glad someone else took the time to work out the maths of this! :D
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BugsySig wrote:
Lady Oiorpata wrote:He should peak with certain type of weapons after a while and not decline with them unless he is not practicing with them. I wonder if he learned how to use a long bow or he can shoot with reverse bow as well as a steppe native. The masters of those started as kids.
Like any warrior he must have his preferences. He"s obviously partial to the battle axe and sword. But a weapon that takes decades to master wouldnt be a problem to an immortal who lives for thousands of years. Gilad must be a master of hundreds of weapons from dozens of cultures by now and even more by 4001. Heck, hes probably forgotten how to use more weapons than any normal person knows how to use.
The thing is that muscle memory will be a whole different kettle of fish for a guy who is able to practice things as he has, over decades, centuries and potentially millennia, so this issue is erosion of that unique muscle memory.
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As long as it is not a "sneak peak".

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Chiclo wrote:As long as it is not a "sneak peak".
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It'd be interesting to see how many schools of martial arts (both Eastern and Western) and fighting styles Gilad has either directly created or inspired throughout his life span. His imprint should be felt all over mankind's history of warfare.

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Lady Oiorpata wrote:English is not my first language. By peaking i mean when he cannot get better anymore.
I think the question here is better in what sense? If we're comparing his superiority over others to wage war, then Gilad's advantage probably started to decline when range warfare was invented. And certainly in the last 100 years or so, where the ability to kill and/or destroy has been increasingly connected with access to technology rather than skill with a weapon, his advantage in waging war has decreased significantly.
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If he's truly eternal, than he has no point at which his skills start declining -- his outward appearance notwithstanding.

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kjjohanson wrote:
Lady Oiorpata wrote:English is not my first language. By peaking i mean when he cannot get better anymore.
I think the question here is better in what sense? If we're comparing his superiority over others to wage war, then Gilad's advantage probably started to decline when range warfare was invented. And certainly in the last 100 years or so, where the ability to kill and/or destroy has been increasingly connected with access to technology rather than skill with a weapon, his advantage in waging war has decreased significantly.
I assume his plot shield would protect him like it does most characters when he fights with guns.

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kjjohanson wrote:
Lady Oiorpata wrote:English is not my first language. By peaking i mean when he cannot get better anymore.
I think the question here is better in what sense? If we're comparing his superiority over others to wage war, then Gilad's advantage probably started to decline when range warfare was invented. And certainly in the last 100 years or so, where the ability to kill and/or destroy has been increasingly connected with access to technology rather than skill with a weapon, his advantage in waging war has decreased significantly.
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I think Gilad probably peaks when he's balls deep.
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Shadowman99 wrote:I think Gilad probably peaks when he's balls deep.
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