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12 X-O Manowar 1 Valiant 60,524

203 Bloodshot Reborn 0 Valiant 9,610

233 Divinity III Stalinverse 4 Valiant 7,274

256 Divinity III Escape From Gulag 396 1 Valiant 6,298

274 Faith 9 Valiant 5,771

275 Ninjak 25 Valiant 5,763
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agent_graves wrote:12 X-O Manowar 1 Valiant 60,524

203 Bloodshot Reborn 0 Valiant 9,610

233 Divinity III Stalinverse 4 Valiant 7,274

256 Divinity III Escape From Gulag 396 1 Valiant 6,298

274 Faith 9 Valiant 5,771

275 Ninjak 25 Valiant 5,763
No data for Generation Zero #8 ... probably somewhere between 3,500-3,800 though.

Total sales by month (last four)
2017 Mar - 7 books - 98,890 - avg 14,127
2017 Feb - 8 books - 47,661 - avg 5,958
2017 Jan - 9 books - 55,967 - avg 6,219
2016 Dec - 12 books - 91,413 - avg 7,618

The 14,127 is the highest average since July 2015 (Book of Death #1).

I'll do another thread about sales history in a bit. Some interesting stuff.

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It amazes me that if only 60000 copies were ordered for the
1:500 the maximum number made wouldn't be 120. I think this
Is the shenanigans going on in comics as they are printing more
Than ratios would justify. Non valiant books like america 1;50 hit
$225 right away the molina ms marvel 1:50 is $900
Meanwhile there are a lot of copies somewhere. Remember when
Valiant had low print runs and yet they're 1:20 1:50s had 1200 copirs
That would make some of them printed at a 1:8 ratio.
I think these companies all just think they're printing money but
For who? Who gets them through back channels and is that a slap in the
Face of those who are actually paying for all those extra copies
People don't buy but get ordered when you buy the ratio
Variants. I sympathize with valiant because they're numbers aren't great
But still people are shelling out $500-1000 for a 1:500 which only 40 qualified for?
Or by the numbers only 120 were justified. So 200 copies in essence makes
It a 1:300. Maybe Valiant will do us a solid and throw in a 1:500 to all those
That bought ed's brushed metal set. If you're not going to hook up the most
Hardcore who have spent how much since the relaunch? How much do you
Realistically think every cover has cost with ratio variants etc since the relaunch.
Maybe they should throw in a gold as well. I just worry someday someone eill
Finally decide it's time to flood the market and cash in on those hidden variants
And absolutely destroy any value these books have. They don't have to be
Worth a million bucks id just like to come close to breaking even
Theoretically. I will keep supporting them but i wish they would stop
The nonsense.

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jaspersk wrote:It amazes me that if only 60000 copies were ordered for the
1:500 the maximum number made wouldn't be 120. I think this
Is the shenanigans going on in comics as they are printing more
Than ratios would justify. Non valiant books like america 1;50 hit
$225 right away the molina ms marvel 1:50 is $900
Meanwhile there are a lot of copies somewhere. Remember when
Valiant had low print runs and yet they're 1:20 1:50s had 1200 copirs
That would make some of them printed at a 1:8 ratio.
I think these companies all just think they're printing money but
For who? Who gets them through back channels and is that a slap in the
Face of those who are actually paying for all those extra copies
People don't buy but get ordered when you buy the ratio
Variants. I sympathize with valiant because they're numbers aren't great
But still people are shelling out $500-1000 for a 1:500 which only 40 qualified for?
Or by the numbers only 120 were justified. So 200 copies in essence makes
It a 1:300. Maybe Valiant will do us a solid and throw in a 1:500 to all those
That bought ed's brushed metal set. If you're not going to hook up the most
Hardcore who have spent how much since the relaunch? How much do you
Realistically think every cover has cost with ratio variants etc since the relaunch.

Maybe they should throw in a gold as well. I just worry someday someone eill
Finally decide it's time to flood the market and cash in on those hidden variants
And absolutely destroy any value these books have. They don't have to be
Worth a million bucks id just like to come close to breaking even
Theoretically. I will keep supporting them but i wish they would stop
The nonsense.
Good question!

1:5 2x
1:10 168x
1:15 3x
1:20 332x
1:25 45x
1:30 5x
1:40 8x
1:50 87x
1:60 6x
1:75 1x
1:80 1x
1:100 12x
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The ratios are for retailers to guarantee a copy.
Publishers can also give them away to fans (not included in the retailer ratios).
Publishers can also give them away to artists (not included in the retailer ratios).
Publishers can also give them away to writers (not included in the retailer ratios).
Publishers can also give them away to employees (not included in the retailer ratios).
Publishers can also give them away to investors (not included in the retailer ratios).
Publishers can also give them away to actors (not included in the retailer ratios).
Publishers also print more copies of the regular books than what is reported in first month sales (not included in the retailer ratios).
Publishers also sell more places than just North America (not included in the retailer ratios).
Publishers can also put them in their own archives (not included in the retailer ratios).
Publishers also need extras in case of damages (not included in the retailer ratios).
Publishers can also give them away to retailers (not included in the retailer ratios) ...Surprise! It was a buy some get some free... or a sample so they'll order from the publisher in the future.

These don't all happen all the time, but any calculated ratio variant should have at least 50 to 200 more copies added to the estimate, or an extra 10%, whichever is higher... and if it's a #0, #1, or a special of some kind... more of the above scenarios should be expected.

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actually is was over 90k!

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/17 ... old-90000/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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mateo107 wrote:actually is was over 90k!

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/17 ... old-90000/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Great News!! :clap:

That would place it in 5th place, technically. It is what it is though, we know wassup. :thumb:
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Shamdasani: X-O Manowar #1 was huge – far more so than what’s being reported. I think I’ve seen 60,000 issues being the official number, which is grossly underreported. The actual numbers were 90,000 copies – a huge win for us.

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Translation:

X-O Manowar #1 was the LARGEST release of a Valiant Comic Book since the 1990's...! :clap:

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Given the energy and hype VEI created around XO relaunch, I'm very happy they achieved 90k! :high-five:

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I might be wrong, but it looks as if the last time a Valiant issue sold 90,000+ comics was Ninjak #11 in January 1995.

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:clap: Super cool. They deserve this one. It was hard earned.

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Looks like the marketing push paid off.

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How reliable are Comichron's numbers then? I never expected them to be 100% accurate but this is a huge difference!

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Sunlight on Snow wrote:How reliable are Comichron's numbers then? I never expected them to be 100% accurate but this is a huge difference!
Things that make ya go "Hmmm", eh? :hm:
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Sunlight on Snow wrote:How reliable are Comichron's numbers then? I never expected them to be 100% accurate but this is a huge difference!
You have to consider that much of that difference in numbers could have been ordered in April, not affecting March numbers.

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Sunlight on Snow wrote:How reliable are Comichron's numbers then? I never expected them to be 100% accurate but this is a huge difference!
Their numbers come from Diamond. Diamond assigns a number as a ration (it's some formula that is based on the sales of a stable seller like Batman). Comichron three takes that number and the total sales number to determine the count for each title. So there is margin for error.

There is also some question about how returnable books are calculated/adjusted for. Same goes for incentive covers.

Plus, Diamonds numbers don't include international sales or late/reorders that fall into the next month.
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I doubt that Comichron numbers are off by 50% all the time (60K vs. 90K), so there's a chance that the Comichron numbers for X-O #1 don't include the retailer exclusive cover art editions. :hm:

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greg wrote:I doubt that Comichron numbers are off by 50% all the time (60K vs. 90K), so there's a chance that the Comichron numbers for X-O #1 don't include the retailer exclusive cover art editions. :hm:
It's also possible that the pre-order bundles are being calculated differently.

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possumgrease wrote:
greg wrote:I doubt that Comichron numbers are off by 50% all the time (60K vs. 90K), so there's a chance that the Comichron numbers for X-O #1 don't include the retailer exclusive cover art editions. :hm:
It's also possible that the pre-order bundles are being calculated differently.
Also the Humble Bundle sales with the virgin art variant.

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possumgrease wrote:
possumgrease wrote:
greg wrote:I doubt that Comichron numbers are off by 50% all the time (60K vs. 90K), so there's a chance that the Comichron numbers for X-O #1 don't include the retailer exclusive cover art editions. :hm:
It's also possible that the pre-order bundles are being calculated differently.
Also the Humble Bundle sales with the virgin art variant.
I thought the only thing physical in the Humble Bundle was the flat cover? They wouldn't be counting digital sales in this would they?
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Phoenix8008 wrote:
possumgrease wrote:
possumgrease wrote:
greg wrote:I doubt that Comichron numbers are off by 50% all the time (60K vs. 90K), so there's a chance that the Comichron numbers for X-O #1 don't include the retailer exclusive cover art editions. :hm:
It's also possible that the pre-order bundles are being calculated differently.
Also the Humble Bundle sales with the virgin art variant.
I thought the only thing physical in the Humble Bundle was the flat cover? They wouldn't be counting digital sales in this would they?
That's what he's talking about. The X-O Manowar #1 variant.
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Diamond only includes books shipped to retailers. No digital.

Those special orders like retailer exclusives and bundles are probably not included. Along with all the various incentives not counted, international copies, etc, that could explain the discrepancy. Don't forget VEI likely has copies for themselves to sell at cons, as fan give always, etc.
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possumgrease wrote:
greg wrote:I doubt that Comichron numbers are off by 50% all the time (60K vs. 90K), so there's a chance that the Comichron numbers for X-O #1 don't include the retailer exclusive cover art editions. :hm:
It's also possible that the pre-order bundles are being calculated differently.
I might have to go back and watch it again, but I thought this was one of the reasons mentioned during the Summit, as part of the discrepancies... :hm:
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jeremycoe wrote:
Phoenix8008 wrote:
possumgrease wrote:
possumgrease wrote:
greg wrote:I doubt that Comichron numbers are off by 50% all the time (60K vs. 90K), so there's a chance that the Comichron numbers for X-O #1 don't include the retailer exclusive cover art editions. :hm:
It's also possible that the pre-order bundles are being calculated differently.
Also the Humble Bundle sales with the virgin art variant.
I thought the only thing physical in the Humble Bundle was the flat cover? They wouldn't be counting digital sales in this would they?
That's what he's talking about. The X-O Manowar #1 variant.
Right, but that was just a cover, correct? If so, then not a whole issue, therefore why would it be counted in sales of issues?
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