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That Phillip Tan cover looks great!

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...and I love Visaggio’s work. Dr Mirage’s character will be a really good match for her. I believe that I have read everything that she has done, and I have suggested Eternity Girl and Kim & Kim to others. Exciting!

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AnarchoMambo wrote:...and I love Visaggio’s work. Dr Mirage’s character will be a really good match for her. I believe that I have read everything that she has done, and I have suggested Eternity Girl and Kim & Kim to others. Exciting!
Yeah, after some questionable initial decisions and products following the DMG take over, the recent announcements have been pretty exciting overall. The new series they've been announcing show a good understanding of bringing in underused/underappreciated talent to the books a la Dino and Warren, and a willingness to produce titles involving lesser known IPs (Punk Mambo, Psi-Lords, Dr. Mirage, etc).
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Noticing a political pattern some of with Valiant’s recent hires, makes me question the motivation behind it? Once again this is not the hiring of top, established talent. Given the low number of books Valiant puts out you may be forgiven for thinking they’d go for a more tried and tested route. :?

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AnarchoMambo wrote:...and I love Visaggio’s work. Dr Mirage’s character will be a really good match for her. I believe that I have read everything that she has done, and I have suggested Eternity Girl and Kim & Kim to others. Exciting!
I picked up Eternity Girl for my daughter and she enjoyed it, so I'll have to track down Kim & Kim for her to try too :clap:

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Love Mirage. Bummed that Jen Van Meter isn't writing the story, especially as the first was such a runaway hit for Valiant with multiple awards. If it were me, I'd stick with a good thing and continuity.

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Noticing a political pattern some of with Valiant’s recent hires, makes me question the motivation behind it? Once again this is not the hiring of top, established talent. Given the low number of books Valiant puts out you may be forgiven for thinking they’d go for a more tried and tested route. :?
There is 100% this going on. I'm pretty much out except for Tim Seeley's Bloodshot. Valiant's gonna be sinking.
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BugsySig wrote:
AnarchoMambo wrote:...and I love Visaggio’s work. Dr Mirage’s character will be a really good match for her. I believe that I have read everything that she has done, and I have suggested Eternity Girl and Kim & Kim to others. Exciting!
Yeah, after some questionable initial decisions and products following the DMG take over, the recent announcements have been pretty exciting overall. The new series they've been announcing show a good understanding of bringing in underused/underappreciated talent to the books a la Dino and Warren, and a willingness to produce titles involving lesser known IPs (Punk Mambo, Psi-Lords, Dr. Mirage, etc).
Totally agree. I'm all for bringing in young and hungry talent with an indie flare.

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Noticing a political pattern some of with Valiant’s recent hires, makes me question the motivation behind it? Once again this is not the hiring of top, established talent. Given the low number of books Valiant puts out you may be forgiven for thinking they’d go for a more tried and tested route. :?
I don't see the poltical pattern in any of the stories you are alluding to, and I'd much rather them go out and pick some risky writers/artists that aren't married to the same-old same-old.

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Can't wait I love this character

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Eager to see what they do with it. :thumb:

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nycjadie wrote:Love Mirage. Bummed that Jen Van Meter isn't writing the story, especially as the first was such a runaway hit for Valiant with multiple awards. If it were me, I'd stick with a good thing and continuity.
I have it on good authority that there were problems with JVM getting her scripts in on time. Mainly the second mini, but enough to cause some friction with the rest of the creative team.
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The good: Wow, that cover is sick, and holy *SQUEE* the logo is mindblowingly awesome. I also love that De La Torre is being replaced. His artwork is gorgeous, but doesn't fit the tone of a romance book imo. I wasn't the biggest fan of Van Meter's run in general, so I can't say I'm unhappy (or unsurprised) about Valiant finding a new writer either.

The bad: I will try the first issue, because I always give Valiant the benefit of the doubt, and they've been making great decisions lately, but honestly I've never really been a huge fan of the character. Also, I've heard bad things about Visaggio's writing, but I've never read anything by her, so I can't really judge until I try. :?
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Noticing a political pattern some of with Valiant’s recent hires, makes me question the motivation behind it? Once again this is not the hiring of top, established talent. Given the low number of books Valiant puts out you may be forgiven for thinking they’d go for a more tried and tested route. :?
Creators like Heather Antos, B Clay Moore, Magdalene Visaggio, Vita Ayala all are known for their outspoken political beliefs on Twitter. This doesn't really matter that much, but it does seem to be becoming a bit of a trend for Valiant. Honestly, if the books are good, which they have been (for the most part), I couldn't care less. I just hope it doesn't lead to obvious political leanings in the comics.
I do disagree with your second statement though. Valiant has always been a company that might pull from the top every once in a while (Lemire, Bunn, Kindt), but generally hires lesser-known talent, and I think that's a great thing.
Jrosen wrote:I don't see the poltical pattern in any of the stories you are alluding to, and I'd much rather them go out and pick some risky writers/artists that aren't married to the same-old same-old.
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Jrosen wrote:
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Noticing a political pattern some of with Valiant’s recent hires, makes me question the motivation behind it? Once again this is not the hiring of top, established talent. Given the low number of books Valiant puts out you may be forgiven for thinking they’d go for a more tried and tested route. :?
I don't see the poltical pattern in any of the stories you are alluding to, and I'd much rather them go out and pick some risky writers/artists that aren't married to the same-old same-old.
Actually in Livewire her brother turns out to be ‘non-binary’ and in Forgotten Queen obviously a central point of the story is that she is lesbian. However, that isn’t my point, it’s the *choice* of writers and so far they’ve been very mediocre. What’s the purpose of the company now, to make great stories or teach us lessons? :?

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TheFerg714 wrote:The good: Wow, that cover is sick, and holy *SQUEE* the logo is mindblowingly awesome. I also love that De La Torre is being replaced. His artwork is gorgeous, but doesn't fit the tone of a romance book imo. I wasn't the biggest fan of Van Meter's run in general, so I can't say I'm unhappy (or unsurprised) about Valiant finding a new writer either.

The bad: I will try the first issue, because I always give Valiant the benefit of the doubt, and they've been making great decisions lately, but honestly I've never really been a huge fan of the character. Also, I've heard bad things about Visaggio's writing, but I've never read anything by her, so I can't really judge until I try. :?
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Noticing a political pattern some of with Valiant’s recent hires, makes me question the motivation behind it? Once again this is not the hiring of top, established talent. Given the low number of books Valiant puts out you may be forgiven for thinking they’d go for a more tried and tested route. :?
Creators like Heather Antos, B Clay Moore, Magdalene Visaggio, Vita Ayala all are known for their outspoken political beliefs on Twitter. This doesn't really matter that much, but it does seem to be becoming a bit of a trend for Valiant. Honestly, if the books are good, which they have been (for the most part), I couldn't care less. I just hope it doesn't lead to obvious political leanings in the comics.
I do disagree with your second statement though. Valiant has always been a company that might pull from the top every once in a while (Lemire, Bunn, Kindt), but generally hires lesser-known talent, and I think that's a great thing.
I agree on giving lesser known talent a try but let it be on the content of their work eg Venditti on Surrogates, not because they share political beliefs.

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Noticing a political pattern some of with Valiant’s recent hires, makes me question the motivation behind it? Once again this is not the hiring of top, established talent. Given the low number of books Valiant puts out you may be forgiven for thinking they’d go for a more tried and tested route. :?
I don't see the poltical pattern in any of the stories you are alluding to, and I'd much rather them go out and pick some risky writers/artists that aren't married to the same-old same-old.
Actually in Livewire her brother turns out to be ‘non-binary’ and in Forgotten Queen obviously a central point of the story is that she is lesbian. However, that isn’t my point, it’s the *choice* of writers and so far they’ve been very mediocre. What’s the purpose of the company now, to make great stories or teach us lessons? :?
I'm still confused on what political pattern you are talking about. Are you just discouraged because of non-heterosexual characters in the stories?

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Noticing a political pattern some of with Valiant’s recent hires, makes me question the motivation behind it? Once again this is not the hiring of top, established talent. Given the low number of books Valiant puts out you may be forgiven for thinking they’d go for a more tried and tested route. :?
I don't see the poltical pattern in any of the stories you are alluding to, and I'd much rather them go out and pick some risky writers/artists that aren't married to the same-old same-old.
Actually in Livewire her brother turns out to be ‘non-binary’ and in Forgotten Queen obviously a central point of the story is that she is lesbian. However, that isn’t my point, it’s the *choice* of writers and so far they’ve been very mediocre. What’s the purpose of the company now, to make great stories or teach us lessons? :?
I'm still confused on what political pattern you are talking about. Are you just discouraged because of non-heterosexual characters in the stories?

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Actually in Livewire her brother turns out to be ‘non-binary’ and in Forgotten Queen obviously a central point of the story is that she is lesbian. However, that isn’t my point, it’s the *choice* of writers and so far they’ve been very mediocre. What’s the purpose of the company now, to make great stories or teach us lessons? :?
Just the fact that Forgotten Queen exists gives credence to your ideas. Literally no one was asking for this, but we still got it for some reason. I found myself rolling my eyes when I realized it was going to be a lesbian love story. What other writers do you think have been mediocre?
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:I agree on giving lesser known talent a try but let it be on the content of their work eg Venditti on Surrogates, not because they share political beliefs.
I agree, and I hope Valiant doesn't fall down that rabbit hole. The one positive thing I have to say is that these new hires are relatively big names. Visaggio has gotten around the last couple of years. Off the top of my head, I know she's worked for DC, Marvel, Image, IDW, and probably more. Ayala has also done work with DC and Marvel, as well as a few indie books. Similarly, while Antos may be controversial, everyone knows who she is. So while it might look bad on the surface, at least they're not plucking random non-comic fans from the internet to write their books, just because they have the right politics, gender, sexuality or what have you. *cough*Marvel*cough*

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Noticing a political pattern some of with Valiant’s recent hires, makes me question the motivation behind it? Once again this is not the hiring of top, established talent. Given the low number of books Valiant puts out you may be forgiven for thinking they’d go for a more tried and tested route. :?
I don't see the poltical pattern in any of the stories you are alluding to, and I'd much rather them go out and pick some risky writers/artists that aren't married to the same-old same-old.
Actually in Livewire her brother turns out to be ‘non-binary’ and in Forgotten Queen obviously a central point of the story is that she is lesbian. However, that isn’t my point, it’s the *choice* of writers and so far they’ve been very mediocre. What’s the purpose of the company now, to make great stories or teach us lessons? :?
And simply depicting a particular characteristic is political?
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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Actually in Livewire her brother turns out to be ‘non-binary’ and in Forgotten Queen obviously a central point of the story is that she is lesbian. However, that isn’t my point, it’s the *choice* of writers and so far they’ve been very mediocre. What’s the purpose of the company now, to make great stories or teach us lessons? :?
Just the fact that Forgotten Queen exists gives credence to your ideas. Literally no one was asking for this, but we still got it for some reason. I found myself rolling my eyes when I realized it was going to be a lesbian love story. What other writers do you think have been mediocre?
Considering Valiant's lack of top-tier antagonists, I figured War Monger would be back eventually after the Unity arc, especially since with immortality, a character could be deated a number fo ways but still be available for use later. So I'm happy they brought her back, and I think the story is good so far.
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The recent hires are this: Not the average white comic book guy.

That's fine, and probably a really good thing, but that's generally who buys comic books, especially hero books. So if you hire a pretty young editor with tons of makeup, who mixes up headline characters at a convention panel, bats her eyes and sings out words to get a reaction, then you have to deal with the fact that regular comic book dudes are going to question the hire.

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe a great story can get past things like that, with amazing interiors and covers. But not hanging out at the booth, connecting with fans (or even artists), etc. is not going to help either.

I'm just watching on the sidelines. Not picking sides.

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TheFerg714 wrote:The bad: I will try the first issue, because I always give Valiant the benefit of the doubt, and they've been making great decisions lately, but honestly I've never really been a huge fan of the character. Also, I've heard bad things about Visaggio's writing, but I've never read anything by her, so I can't really judge until I try. :?
I find her work good. She's nominated for an Eisner for Eternity Girl, which was fantastic.

I think this is a great hire.

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Was it political when Jan Van Meter wrote the first two arcs? Asking for a friend? :hm: :? :P


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