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Anybody notice anything peculiar about this "9.8" copy?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291143688865?ss ... 1423.l2649" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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BloodShot wrote:Anybody notice anything peculiar about this "9.8" copy?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291143688865?ss ... 1423.l2649" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is laying inside a CGC case. Is that what you are referring to?

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mkb28 wrote:
BloodShot wrote:Anybody notice anything peculiar about this "9.8" copy?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291143688865?ss ... 1423.l2649" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is laying inside a CGC case. Is that what you are referring to?

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Yeah, exactly.

And, so, I shot them a Message as soon as I saw it, thinking it might actually be a CGC 9.8, but not correctly advertised as one.

To wit:

"I hate to admit it, but I'm just a little confused by your listing.
You describe this Harbinger #1 book as being "BAGGED AND BOARDED SINCE PURCHASE", yet the one you have two pictures of is not only not bagged and boarded, but in what appears to be a CGC acrylic case. Is this the one actually for sale? If so, who's it graded as a "9.8" by?"

I even tried to give them a way out by asking:

"If it's not, do you have pictures of the actual book and/or are you only using these pics as a reference?

Here was their short reply:

"It is not in a case but boarded and backed; the grading was by a dealer here."

Uhmmm...

So, I decided to go ahead and call 'em out with:

"Okay, so it was NOT professionally graded.
Second, the two pics/scans you have clearly show a copy of Harbinger #1 that IS in a CGC slab; there is NO bag, nor board. That being the "case", the one pictured is clearly NOT the copy you're advertising for sale. Do you have any pics of the one you're actually selling, because the one pictured cannot be it, since the case is sealed."

They then backpeddaled on what they just stated as fact above by saying:

"Yes they just don't come out clear on my scanner but they look exactly identical with no blemishes whatsoever; trying to get you a pic."

:screwy:

I'm thinkin' whoever that buyer ends up bein' is probably gonna' be wicked *SQUEE*' *SQUEE*.
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BloodShot wrote:
mkb28 wrote:
BloodShot wrote:Anybody notice anything peculiar about this "9.8" copy?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291143688865?ss ... 1423.l2649" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is laying inside a CGC case. Is that what you are referring to?

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Yeah, exactly.

And, so, I shot them a Message as soon as I saw it, thinking it might actually be a CGC 9.8, but not correctly advertised as one.

To wit:

"I hate to admit it, but I'm just a little confused by your listing.
You describe this Harbinger #1 book as being "BAGGED AND BOARDED SINCE PURCHASE", yet the one you have two pictures of is not only not bagged and boarded, but in what appears to be a CGC acrylic case. Is this the one actually for sale? If so, who's it graded as a "9.8" by?"

I even tried to give them a way out by asking:

"If it's not, do you have pictures of the actual book and/or are you only using these pics as a reference?

Here was their short reply:

"It is not in a case but boarded and backed; the grading was by a dealer here."

Uhmmm...

So, I decided to go ahead and call 'em out with:

"Okay, so it was NOT professionally graded.
Second, the two pics/scans you have clearly show a copy of Harbinger #1 that IS in a CGC slab; there is NO bag, nor board. That being the "case", the one pictured is clearly NOT the copy you're advertising for sale. Do you have any pics of the one you're actually selling, because the one pictured cannot be it, since the case is sealed."

They then backpeddaled on what they just stated as fact above by saying:

"Yes they just don't come out clear on my scanner but they look exactly identical with no blemishes whatsoever; trying to get you a pic."

:screwy:

I'm thinkin' whoever that buyer ends up bein' is probably gonna' be wicked *SQUEE*' *SQUEE*.
Nice catch, Jay! :thumb: Keeping em' honest!

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mkb28 wrote:Nice catch, Jay! :thumb: Keeping em' honest!

Mkb28
Thanks, Michael.

But, really, this (to me) is beyond dishonest; it's pretty much flat-out fraudulent. Thinking Safe Harbor might be the way to go, but I'm open to recommendations as to how to proceed against this seller, and anyone else that tries to pull *SQUEE* like this. Even though I'm not the actual buyer, this kinda' *SQUEE* reeeeeally chaps my *SQUEE* :mad: .
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BloodShot wrote:
mkb28 wrote:Nice catch, Jay! :thumb: Keeping em' honest!

Mkb28
Thanks, Michael.

But, really, this (to me) is beyond dishonest; it's pretty much flat-out fraudulent. Thinking Safe Harbor might be the way to go, but I'm open to recommendations as to how to proceed against this seller, and anyone else that tries to pull *SQUEE* like this. Even though I'm not the actual buyer, this kinda' *SQUEE* reeeeeally chaps my *SQUEE* :mad: .
He forgot to put HTF in the auction title. :P

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Mycomicshop dropped one of their three copies of this book they've been listing on eBay to 367.00. They also have one up for 395.00 and 407.00, if memory serves.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harbinger-1992- ... 540a5ed77a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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CGC Harbinger #1 sales records
http://www.valiantfan.com/issue/cgcsales/h1/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CGC Harbinger #1 census info
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Both of these pages will be regularly updated. :thumb:

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StarBrand wrote:Mycomicshop dropped one of their three copies of this book they've been listing on eBay to 367.00. They also have one up for 395.00 and 407.00, if memory serves.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harbinger-1992- ... 540a5ed77a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If I owned any slabs (other than 2 of my 3 Maxx Blacks) I would probably pull the trigger on that, but I would rather try to find multiple copies of it instead. I guess I'm 'over' the CGC phase of comics, and would prefer to hoard that go after a pristine copy of a book.

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GGSAE wrote:
StarBrand wrote:Mycomicshop dropped one of their three copies of this book they've been listing on eBay to 367.00. They also have one up for 395.00 and 407.00, if memory serves.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harbinger-1992- ... 540a5ed77a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If I owned any slabs (other than 2 of my 3 Maxx Blacks) I would probably pull the trigger on that, but I would rather try to find multiple copies of it instead. I guess I'm 'over' the CGC phase of comics, and would prefer to hoard that go after a pristine copy of a book.
When will I grow out of the "CGC phase?" :? Hopefully soon! :lol:

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mkb28 wrote:
GGSAE wrote:
StarBrand wrote:Mycomicshop dropped one of their three copies of this book they've been listing on eBay to 367.00. They also have one up for 395.00 and 407.00, if memory serves.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harbinger-1992- ... 540a5ed77a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If I owned any slabs (other than 2 of my 3 Maxx Blacks) I would probably pull the trigger on that, but I would rather try to find multiple copies of it instead. I guess I'm 'over' the CGC phase of comics, and would prefer to hoard that go after a pristine copy of a book.
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GGSAE wrote:
StarBrand wrote:Mycomicshop dropped one of their three copies of this book they've been listing on eBay to 367.00. They also have one up for 395.00 and 407.00, if memory serves.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harbinger-1992- ... 540a5ed77a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If I owned any slabs (other than 2 of my 3 Maxx Blacks) I would probably pull the trigger on that, but I would rather try to find multiple copies of it instead. I guess I'm 'over' the CGC phase of comics, and would prefer to hoard that go after a pristine copy of a book.
I'm surprised it hasn't already sold.
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StarBrand wrote:
GGSAE wrote:
StarBrand wrote:Mycomicshop dropped one of their three copies of this book they've been listing on eBay to 367.00. They also have one up for 395.00 and 407.00, if memory serves.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harbinger-1992- ... 540a5ed77a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If I owned any slabs (other than 2 of my 3 Maxx Blacks) I would probably pull the trigger on that, but I would rather try to find multiple copies of it instead. I guess I'm 'over' the CGC phase of comics, and would prefer to hoard that go after a pristine copy of a book.
I'm surprised it hasn't already sold.
I looked at it and wouldn't buy it due to the cover. I want to call it a bad wrap, but that's the incorrect terminology for the cover not extending to cover the interior pages.

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FormerReader wrote:
StarBrand wrote:
GGSAE wrote:
StarBrand wrote:Mycomicshop dropped one of their three copies of this book they've been listing on eBay to 367.00. They also have one up for 395.00 and 407.00, if memory serves.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harbinger-1992- ... 540a5ed77a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If I owned any slabs (other than 2 of my 3 Maxx Blacks) I would probably pull the trigger on that, but I would rather try to find multiple copies of it instead. I guess I'm 'over' the CGC phase of comics, and would prefer to hoard that go after a pristine copy of a book.
I'm surprised it hasn't already sold.
I looked at it and wouldn't buy it due to the cover. I want to call it a bad wrap, but that's the incorrect terminology for the cover not extending to cover the interior pages.
I agree. I don't mind it so much on the right edge but when the book sticks out on the bottom like that I stay away. Sometimes it's SCS but since it's in an old-style inner well it is more likely that it was stapled that way - that happens too. It's hard to find any pretty three staple copy period.

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ckb wrote:
FormerReader wrote:
StarBrand wrote: I'm surprised it hasn't already sold.
I looked at it and wouldn't buy it due to the cover. I want to call it a bad wrap, but that's the incorrect terminology for the cover not extending to cover the interior pages.
I agree. I don't mind it so much on the right edge but when the book sticks out on the bottom like that I stay away. Sometimes it's SCS but since it's in an old-style inner well it is more likely that it was stapled that way - that happens too. It's hard to find any pretty three staple copy period.
I have been much more aware of the issues with this book since I talked to you about it in the past (Thanks). The bottom makes me think the cover is slightly torn at each of the staples. I can see how this book was so hard to get in 9.8 in the early days of CGC.

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FormerReader wrote:
ckb wrote:
FormerReader wrote:
StarBrand wrote: I'm surprised it hasn't already sold.
I looked at it and wouldn't buy it due to the cover. I want to call it a bad wrap, but that's the incorrect terminology for the cover not extending to cover the interior pages.
I agree. I don't mind it so much on the right edge but when the book sticks out on the bottom like that I stay away. Sometimes it's SCS but since it's in an old-style inner well it is more likely that it was stapled that way - that happens too. It's hard to find any pretty three staple copy period.
I have been much more aware of the issues with this book since I talked to you about it in the past (Thanks). The bottom makes me think the cover is slightly torn at each of the staples. I can see how this book was so hard to get in 9.8 in the early days of CGC.
In this particular case I am not so sure about the loose cover. I would need to have it in hand and I could probably tell. I have seen the covers stapled on legitimately offset.

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Here's a CGC 4.5 . . . much rarer than a 9.8

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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iggy101us wrote:Here's a CGC 4.5 . . . much rarer than a 9.8

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
My guess is a labeling error, a very large spine split, or water damage. Book looks fine in the scan.

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ckb wrote:
iggy101us wrote:Here's a CGC 4.5 . . . much rarer than a 9.8

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
My guess is a labeling error, a very large spine split, or water damage. Book looks fine in the scan.
What would CGC grade a Harbinger #1 with the coupon cut out, if the submitter refused the Qualified grade and wanted the book graded Universal "as is"? :hm:

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greg wrote:
ckb wrote:
iggy101us wrote:Here's a CGC 4.5 . . . much rarer than a 9.8

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
My guess is a labeling error, a very large spine split, or water damage. Book looks fine in the scan.
What would CGC grade a Harbinger #1 with the coupon cut out, if the submitter refused the Qualified grade and wanted the book graded Universal "as is"? :hm:
.5? Incomplete? What do the coupon cut out books go for? I know there haven't been many sales, but I think they're around the $150 range?

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iggy101us wrote:Here's a CGC 4.5 . . . much rarer than a 9.8

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And I now own a Harbinger 1 with coupon! 8-)

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Chiclo wrote:
iggy101us wrote:Here's a CGC 4.5 . . . much rarer than a 9.8

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And I now own a Harbinger 1 with coupon! 8-)
$1.04 + shipping :o Congrats :thumb:

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iggy101us wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
iggy101us wrote:Here's a CGC 4.5 . . . much rarer than a 9.8

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And I now own a Harbinger 1 with coupon! 8-)
$1.04 + shipping :o Congrats :thumb:
Thanks, but with shipping it was almost $10!

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Hilarious! A rare Harbinger collectible at an even more amazing price.

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Chiclo wrote:
iggy101us wrote:Here's a CGC 4.5 . . . much rarer than a 9.8

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And I now own a Harbinger 1 with coupon! 8-)
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