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Wait, so that was Ivar appearing to Archer?! *Mind Blown* I thought it was some kind of angelic interaction.

Good call on the Tintin/Haddock similarity!

This issue was filled with great stuff and I'm really looking forward to the badass monks next month.

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Best issue of the run. 5/5.

I guess Archer's harbinger abilities didn't have to be popped seeing that the arrow didn't hurt him at all.
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MarrowMan wrote:Armstrong acts like a big dolty idiotic buffoon, but I sense deep down, it's all a feign and he's quite brilliant, c'mon he's 10 millenia old.
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400yrs wrote:Best issue of the run. 5/5.

I guess Archer's harbinger abilities didn't have to be popped seeing that the arrow didn't hurt him at all.
Actually, the scary part would be: What if his ability hasn't been popped yet? What if he is just scratching the surface of his abilities? In the original he could do things like trick shots before he was popped, for example.

I think it is still more likely that he was popped earlier in life through some event, but it would be an interesting take. I dont think he was born with his full abilities, however, like Pete and Darpan.
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BugsySig wrote:
400yrs wrote:Best issue of the run. 5/5.

I guess Archer's harbinger abilities didn't have to be popped seeing that the arrow didn't hurt him at all.
Actually, the scary part would be: What if his ability hasn't been popped yet? What if he is just scratching the surface of his abilities? In the original he could do things like trick shots before he was popped, for example.

I think it is still more likely that he was popped earlier in life through some event, but it would be an interesting take. I dont think he was born with his full abilities, however, like Pete and Darpan.
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MarrowMan wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
400yrs wrote:Best issue of the run. 5/5.

I guess Archer's harbinger abilities didn't have to be popped seeing that the arrow didn't hurt him at all.
Actually, the scary part would be: What if his ability hasn't been popped yet? What if he is just scratching the surface of his abilities? In the original he could do things like trick shots before he was popped, for example.

I think it is still more likely that he was popped earlier in life through some event, but it would be an interesting take. I dont think he was born with his full abilities, however, like Pete and Darpan.
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Harada was not born activated like Pete and Darpan

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Elveen wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
400yrs wrote:Best issue of the run. 5/5.

I guess Archer's harbinger abilities didn't have to be popped seeing that the arrow didn't hurt him at all.
Actually, the scary part would be: What if his ability hasn't been popped yet? What if he is just scratching the surface of his abilities? In the original he could do things like trick shots before he was popped, for example.

I think it is still more likely that he was popped earlier in life through some event, but it would be an interesting take. I dont think he was born with his full abilities, however, like Pete and Darpan.
and Harada

Harada was not born activated like Pete and Darpan
Well, so he claims...
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Elveen wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
400yrs wrote:Best issue of the run. 5/5.

I guess Archer's harbinger abilities didn't have to be popped seeing that the arrow didn't hurt him at all.
Actually, the scary part would be: What if his ability hasn't been popped yet? What if he is just scratching the surface of his abilities? In the original he could do things like trick shots before he was popped, for example.

I think it is still more likely that he was popped earlier in life through some event, but it would be an interesting take. I dont think he was born with his full abilities, however, like Pete and Darpan.
and Harada

Harada was not born activated like Pete and Darpan
He must've been, he was the First (?) :? How else could it have happened? Guess we'll find out in Harbinger #0 in February.
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MarrowMan wrote:
Elveen wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
400yrs wrote:Best issue of the run. 5/5.

I guess Archer's harbinger abilities didn't have to be popped seeing that the arrow didn't hurt him at all.
Actually, the scary part would be: What if his ability hasn't been popped yet? What if he is just scratching the surface of his abilities? In the original he could do things like trick shots before he was popped, for example.

I think it is still more likely that he was popped earlier in life through some event, but it would be an interesting take. I dont think he was born with his full abilities, however, like Pete and Darpan.
and Harada

Harada was not born activated like Pete and Darpan
He must've been, he was the First (?) :? How else could it have happened? Guess we'll find out in Harbinger #0 in February.
He said in the books that it was something about Hiroshima that "activated" him. I think......

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This is easily the funniest comic I read. HILARITY! So fun. Top five book for me after this issue. The "acting" is top notch.

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Zaphod wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:
greg wrote:The last page was a little shocking and a little hilarious. :D

Boon + Nazis = Tibetan Hitler 'staches
I kinda got that impression too, but the Swastikas looked like they were being used in their original Buddhist positions.

Oh and your Boon theory about the xo being needed looks like it also got shot down.
I'd be on board if those monks didn't have "Hitler" mustache's.

:? :? :?

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I'm so bored of comic books using 'Nazi' related storylines, it's so cliched..seriously what is the weird obsession? My other concern with this book (and a little with Bloodshot), is that if a character is almost impossible to kill then where's the suspense/danger? So, Armstrong doesn't feel significant pain or bleed from getting shot with an arrow in each eye?

I'm going to continue to support this book because I want the company to succeed. There are some interesting themes to it and I like the art, but I'm not feeling it the way I am the other books.

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ian_house wrote:Wait, so that was Ivar appearing to Archer?! *Mind Blown* I thought it was some kind of angelic interaction.
I may have misheard it, but they talked on the panel about this fleetingly and I remember my reaction being "Wait, that's not Ivar speaking to Archer?" I've been assuming it was.

Again, the topic came and went so quickly I may have misheard something.

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Just got this today. Very good story. :) But I am sad to see Tom die. She has the best lines in this issue. I love how Van Lente inserted those profound lines about faith in between all the ridiculous stuff.

Now that we see Mary-Maria as the Archer with the crossbow, do you think Mary-Maria would die which would be the reason why Obie would make the crossbow his signature weapon?

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Mary-Maria dying would add a lot of poignancy to Archer's journal entries if he kept writing to her.

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erwinrafael wrote:Just got this today. Very good story. :) But I am sad to see Tom die. She has the best lines in this issue. I love how Van Lente inserted those profound lines about faith in between all the ridiculous stuff.

Now that we see Mary-Maria as the Archer with the crossbow, do you think Mary-Maria would die which would be the reason why Obie would make the crossbow his signature weapon?
That's what I was thinking, considering his name is Archer and he's been all over the covers with his crossbow now we are 3 issues in and he hasn't even touched a crossbow. It has to be something big like Mary-Maria's death, this may some how lead him to train with the hitler monks. I noticed they were addressed as the "keepers of the La-Chen monestary of Ladakh", if I'm not mistaken the Ladahk monestary is where V1 Archer received his training.

The Hitler thing seems to be a theme for Van Lente he did the Red Skull mini series and an issue of the Taskmaster LS featured a town full of Hitlers in Brazil.

Hitler-Moustache-Lady Parts-Brazillian...Hmmm :hm:

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hawkeyeps wrote:
erwinrafael wrote:Just got this today. Very good story. :) But I am sad to see Tom die. She has the best lines in this issue. I love how Van Lente inserted those profound lines about faith in between all the ridiculous stuff.

Now that we see Mary-Maria as the Archer with the crossbow, do you think Mary-Maria would die which would be the reason why Obie would make the crossbow his signature weapon?
That's what I was thinking, considering his name is Archer and he's been all over the covers with his crossbow now we are 3 issues in and he hasn't even touched a crossbow. It has to be something big like Mary-Maria's death, this may some how lead him to train with the hitler monks. I noticed they were addressed as the "keepers of the La-Chen monestary of Ladakh", if I'm not mistaken the Ladahk monestary is where V1 Archer received his training.

The Hitler thing seems to be a theme for Van Lente he did the Red Skull mini series and an issue of the Taskmaster LS featured a town full of Hitlers in Brazil.

Hitler-Moustache-Lady Parts-Brazillian...Hmmm :hm:
Good point about the training. Wasn't La-Chen also the place where the Book of the Geomancers was being kept when Darque was searching for it? It would make sense if Archer trains in La Chen and finds the Book, which leads to the confrontation with Gilad.

Maybe we will also see Hwen show up? :?
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jmatt wrote:Liked the book. Love the art. The facial expressions are amazing in every issue.
I loved the art too. Very Sean Chen with great, clean, simply symmetry.

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Great issue! I loved the art! Fantastic facial expressions! I think the series is living up to the light heartedness of the original series (this may be why I'm able to overlook certain things). My only complaint is the previews for other books make the issues seem so short.

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greg wrote:Why is Archer essentially "undamaged" by the arrow through the gut? :hm:
I was wondering the same thing, besides that, pretty decent issue, lol @ Armstrong.
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Spylocke wrote:Mary-Maria dying would add a lot of poignancy to Archer's journal entries if he kept writing to her.
I hope FVL gets back to using the journal entry narrative style - it would work so well instead of the third person introductory/recap type blurbs we've seen in #2 & 3. I am missing that, and other than the odd bit of dialogue that feels awkward or out of character I'm really enjoying the series.

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Spylocke wrote:Mary-Maria dying would add a lot of poignancy to Archer's journal entries if he kept writing to her.
I hope FVL gets back to using the journal entry narrative style - it would work so well instead of the third person introductory/recap type blurbs we've seen in #2 & 3. I am missing that, and other than the odd bit of dialogue that feels awkward or out of character I'm really enjoying the series.

Love Clayton's work - Emmanuela(?) looks to be kicking *squee* on the EW arc, but I'm looking forward to seeing Clayton come back to the series after.
Agreed, but it makes sense in the context of the story thus far that Archer hasn't had the opportunity to write in the journal during their globe trotting adventures...unless you count the 8 hour flight from NY to Rome...but maybe he was too disheartened after learning of his parents' betrayal to write then too. :?
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IMJ wrote:I loved the art too. Very Sean Chen with great, clean, simply symmetry.
At the NYCC I went to visit Clayton Henry in the artist area. As he's signing stuff for me, I'm telling him that I just love his clean style. He pauses, reaches over and points out a booklet he's offering on his table: "Clean Art by Clayton Henry". :lol:

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The best issue of the series so far.

Count me in the group that LOVES the art.

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........... facepalm ..... :? ......I'm trying to get into this book. I can see there is a bigger picture and I know this book is going to have ripple down effects on other titles but as of right now, i'm not enjoying it as much as I thought I would. I will continue to collect it to see where it goes and maybe my opinion will change. I mean after I read the 1st issue BS, Harb, X-O and hell even the Shadowman preview I was like wow! I hope this will change for me when EW makes his appearance.
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I loved the facial expressions in this issue but was also bothered by the seeming lack of consequences of the arrow puncture. At first I thought I read that wrong, that the arrow was just supposed to be hitting the satchel strap, but no.

Didn't realize until I saw the other thread the issue about the loading of the crossbow.

But for me, the biggest issue with this issue: on page 18, Archer jumps over Armstrong, grabs the satchel, is holding the strap in his hand, and then is punched. Next page: no satchel. Oh noes! It dropped off the scaffolding! Next page: back on Archer's shoulder. Hopefully this is something they can edit for the TPB.
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