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Great, here goes OTV telling us what to think again!

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depluto wrote:Great, here goes OTV telling us what to think again!

I give them 50 enterlaimos.
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Dr. Solar wrote:
And the worst of all is his support of the steel pipe industry. When Peter smashed Hidden Moon's face in with a steel pipe, I couldn't believe how much he was pushing forward his "steel pipe" agenda. I bet he owns stock in various pipe manufacturing corporations.

Pfffft!
Pretty crappy pipe if he can just reef it out of the wall like that, my guess is it was old galvanized that had corroded on the interior and became weak enough that he could do that with normal strength, makes sense in an old building like that.

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hawkeyeps wrote: I'm an enigneer too, thanks for new episode :D
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400yrs wrote:
depluto wrote:Great, here goes OTV telling us what to think again!
I give them 50 enterlaimos.
Enterlaimos are in a 1,000 point scale, so that's not that bad.
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Everyone has a right to be offended or disagree with something, but this is much ado about nothing imo after having a chance to read the comic.

The writer has already made it clear that he is making Harby a 'grey' book which means he will explore many viewpoints and potentially make both the renegades AND Harada sympathetic characters or at least ones that you can sort of relate to.

Several people on this board seem to be offended when current news topics such as 99% are even mentioned as if even acknowledging that people have different views is something they cannot tolerate. In terms of telling a good story it seems like a logical leap that there will be an element of establishment vs anti establishment in this book.

All that said, I enjoy seeing people's thoughts on this, so thanks for good discussion all.

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Dr. Solar wrote:It's despicable.

Josh is ramming these politics down my throat by writing a character that has these thoughts about politics in a way that is very realistic for a character of that age, demographic, and intelligence.

It's also despicable how he is forcing his literary tastes on me, because Faith liked Hunger Games and Harry Potter. I can't tolerate a comic that so blatantly pushes a literary agenda like that. I disagree with the preferences of that fictional character!

And the worst of all is his support of the steel pipe industry. When Peter smashed Hidden Moon's face in with a steel pipe, I couldn't believe how much he was pushing forward his "steel pipe" agenda. I bet he owns stock in various pipe manufacturing corporations.

Pfffft!
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I actually like when politics (of all sorts) are brought into any literature. The real world has political agendas and so should realistic characters/stories. Dysart may be using Harbinger to further his agenda, but I personally don't think so. Even if he is, it's his book, he can do what he wants. You don't have to buy or read it. Isn't that the great thing about democracy and capitalism - the freedom to choose? If you're offended don't buy it - very simple. I can't think of any really great work of fiction that offended no one; usually it's the opposite. 1984, which you referenced in your sig, was and is very political and very controversial - and one of my favorite books - and I'm very socialist leaning which is the opposite audience Orwell was looking for. Most sci-fi literature is political underneath. Most of Arhtur C. Clarke's robot books are an allegory for racism/slavery/civil rights.

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lorddunlow wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote:It's despicable.

Josh is ramming these politics down my throat by writing a character that has these thoughts about politics in a way that is very realistic for a character of that age, demographic, and intelligence.

It's also despicable how he is forcing his literary tastes on me, because Faith liked Hunger Games and Harry Potter. I can't tolerate a comic that so blatantly pushes a literary agenda like that. I disagree with the preferences of that fictional character!

And the worst of all is his support of the steel pipe industry. When Peter smashed Hidden Moon's face in with a steel pipe, I couldn't believe how much he was pushing forward his "steel pipe" agenda. I bet he owns stock in various pipe manufacturing corporations.

Pfffft!
:funnypost:

I actually like when politics (of all sorts) are brought into any literature. The real world has political agendas and so should realistic characters/stories. Dysart may be using Harbinger to further his agenda, but I personally don't think so. Even if he is, it's his book, he can do what he wants. You don't have to buy or read it. Isn't that the great thing about democracy and capitalism - the freedom to choose? If you're offended don't buy it - very simple. I can't think of any really great work of fiction that offended no one; usually it's the opposite. 1984, which you referenced in your sig, was and is very political and very controversial - and one of my favorite books - and I'm very socialist leaning which is the opposite audience Orwell was looking for. Most sci-fi literature is political underneath. Most of Arhtur C. Clarke's robot books are an allegory for racism/slavery/civil rights.

p.s. jmatt - did you ever get your Twitter fixed or do you REALLY make a lot of money doing those surveys?
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I don't see anything being pushed here. If any one of the characters here were written in a prefect light then you'd have something to argue, but each major player we've been introduced to is flawed in some way. For example, if Kris were painted as perfect and morally superior to her surroundings the argument could be made that someone is trying to tell us left is right. She's not, though; she's just as broken as Pete and Joe. She robbed a bank, and whether or not that money comes from 'the establishment' is irrelevant; stealing is wrong.

I think the theme here isn't left or right, it's youth with zero faith in the world left behind by the previous generation. We've all been there, and let me tell you... despite slipping away from youth at 27 years old, I can say that goes both ways. From my point of view, there are too many people taking far more than what they need or deserve. Two years ago (I believe), in my disgustingly liberal state of MA, the gov't here spent more money on paying health care for illegal immigrants than they cut from the budget for higher education. Meanwhile, I was penalized to the tune of $1000 for working and NOT having health insurance. I couldn't afford it and despite my low-ish income qualified for zero help from a state I've never asked anything of. Something there isn't right.

Kris is obnoxious and she reminds me of a few wome I've um... 'known.' She's a realistic character. That's what is important. I feel as though an agenda being pushed would result in completely unrealistic characters.

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depluto wrote:Great, here goes OTV telling us what to think again!

:lol:

Does that make me "the Man!"?

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Elveen wrote:
depluto wrote:Great, here goes OTV telling us what to think again!

:lol:

Does that make me "the Man!"?
Damn the man!

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Elveen wrote:
depluto wrote:Great, here goes OTV telling us what to think again!
:lol:

Does that make me "the Man!"?
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Dr. Solar wrote: It feels good to be The Man, doesn't it!

but wait...how can you ALL be the man?

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or are you The Men?
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lorddunlow wrote:p.s. jmatt - did you ever get your Twitter fixed or do you REALLY make a lot of money doing those surveys?
I have no idea what you're talking about. Is there a problem with my Twitter account? I've only ever looked at it maybe three times.

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MarkRoseHFX wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote: It feels good to be The Man, doesn't it!

but wait...how can you ALL be the man?

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or are you The Men?
In the Homey the Clown sense, the Man can be used as a collective noun. OTV is, I suppose, a collective of a sort.

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Chiclo wrote:
MarkRoseHFX wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote: It feels good to be The Man, doesn't it!

but wait...how can you ALL be the man?

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or are you The Men?
In the Homey the Clown sense, the Man can be used as a collective noun. OTV is, I suppose, a collective of a sort.
I thought you were an anarcho-syndicalist commune and that you take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

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But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting.

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By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,

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but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more...

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Blood of Heroes wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
MarkRoseHFX wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote: It feels good to be The Man, doesn't it!

but wait...how can you ALL be the man?

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or are you The Men?
In the Homey the Clown sense, the Man can be used as a collective noun. OTV is, I suppose, a collective of a sort.
I thought you were an anarcho-syndicalist commune and that you take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
Naw, man. I am just on-air talent.

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I didn't vote for you.
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Carson wrote: I do hope Dysart gives her a counter. I'm hoping that might be Torque and she'll love him despite his politics.
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Art leans left, generally. Its a comic book! :lol: With that being said, and all of the very insightful thoughts about Dysart, lets hope that hes creative and intellectual enough to provide a balanced perspective showing the pros and cons of whatever ideologies he presents. I would enjoy that!

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Interesting times we are in today....

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jmatt wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:p.s. jmatt - did you ever get your Twitter fixed or do you REALLY make a lot of money doing those surveys?
I have no idea what you're talking about. Is there a problem with my Twitter account? I've only ever looked at it maybe three times.
I'm not sure if it's still that way, as I stopped following you due to the fact it was just spamming ads for taking surveys. It's mentioned on the Twitter thread by someone as well
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