Shadowman #2

[KXXX]

I think it is. Some of the scenes with Ninjak in X-O were pretty harsh and I was pretty vocal about my dislike for some of the scenes in Bloodshot, but this book is looks like it's just going to push it farther than I care to read, based on the two issues I've read.

I'm glad that you mentioned Bloodshot... that was where I was going to declare hypocrisy. That stuck out in my mind as being worse somehow, but I suppose it's a matter of the eyes that see it.

I end with a sincere apology that you won't be able to enjoy the book along with us

[Tim]

that was where I was going to declare hypocrisy.

Glad you didn't have to do that.

[KXXX]

that was where I was going to declare hypocrisy.

Glad you didn't have to do that.

I hope you didn't take that as me being a

[Tim]

No worries, man!

[cavemold]

This was awesome issue! The supporting charcters really devolped in this issue. It almost felt like a movie. We saw thetwsit at getting a talior suit! That was really funny. The end left on a huge cliff hanger.

[hawkeyeps]

I'm looking forward to finding out what the deal is with little Ju Ju Monkey from the cover of 3, maybe it's Josiah's way of training Jack from the deadside.

I also found it interesting that Darque said he needed to work it from his side while Twist was working things from our side.

What if Josiah is still "alive" and battling Darque on the Deadside?

[carter3175]

I'm probably going to end up dropping my first Valiant title with this one. There's nothing wrong with the book as far as the way it's written and drawn, but it's just too dark for me. Not into horror or gore and the scene with all the mutilated bodies in the first issue was just not something I want to see and I don't see it toning down. Honestly, it probably shouldn't tone down to be the kind of book it's trying to be, but it's just not a book for me. Zircher's art is great, though.

I'm interested in this line of thought. Is it really that far removed from the violence we've seen of the re-launch to date?

I think it is. Some of the scenes with Ninjak in X-O were pretty harsh and I was pretty vocal about my dislike for some of the scenes in Bloodshot, but this book is looks like it's just going to push it farther than I care to read, based on the two issues I've read.

Tim sounds like you don't like graphic violence in your comics. Is that a correct statement?

[Tim]

I'm probably going to end up dropping my first Valiant title with this one. There's nothing wrong with the book as far as the way it's written and drawn, but it's just too dark for me. Not into horror or gore and the scene with all the mutilated bodies in the first issue was just not something I want to see and I don't see it toning down. Honestly, it probably shouldn't tone down to be the kind of book it's trying to be, but it's just not a book for me. Zircher's art is great, though.

I'm interested in this line of thought. Is it really that far removed from the violence we've seen of the re-launch to date?

I think it is. Some of the scenes with Ninjak in X-O were pretty harsh and I was pretty vocal about my dislike for some of the scenes in Bloodshot, but this book is looks like it's just going to push it farther than I care to read, based on the two issues I've read.

Tim sounds like you don't like graphic violence in your comics. Is that a correct statement?

Correct. Conflict is necessary for good stories, and a certain level of violence is going to naturally be a part of that especially in the superhero genre, but I think that things like that can be portrayed in a more subtle manner and be just as effective or often even more so.

We have to think about and process so much disturbing information just living our lives. I don't like to import even more into my entertainment.

[Kurokashi-san]

I give this issue a 4.5 out of 5.

[dornwolf]

I'm probably going to end up dropping my first Valiant title with this one. There's nothing wrong with the book as far as the way it's written and drawn, but it's just too dark for me. Not into horror or gore and the scene with all the mutilated bodies in the first issue was just not something I want to see and I don't see it toning down. Honestly, it probably shouldn't tone down to be the kind of book it's trying to be, but it's just not a book for me. Zircher's art is great, though.

I'm interested in this line of thought. Is it really that far removed from the violence we've seen of the re-launch to date?

I think it is. Some of the scenes with Ninjak in X-O were pretty harsh and I was pretty vocal about my dislike for some of the scenes in Bloodshot, but this book is looks like it's just going to push it farther than I care to read, based on the two issues I've read.

Tim sounds like you don't like graphic violence in your comics. Is that a correct statement?

Correct. Conflict is necessary for good stories, and a certain level of violence is going to naturally be a part of that especially in the superhero genre, but I think that things like that can be portrayed in a more subtle manner and be just as effective or often even more so.

We have to think about and process so much disturbing information just living our lives. I don't like to import even more into my entertainment.

I usually follow that belief it's why I don't read invincible. I've dub this style violence for the sake of violence.

[lorddunlow]

Not many belief systems put a rock above a bone when it comes to 'death energy'.

Rock always beats bone. Paper beats rock though. I think bone beats Spock.

As for your refusal to watch B5 - you're missing out on a great show.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Really enjoyed Shadowman #2, particularly as I'd read some of the early posts on this forum about the issue, think that helped when reading the parts about 'necromantic energy'. Great ending, really sets it up for issue #3, nice work!

[greg]

As for your refusal to watch B5 - you're missing out on a great show.

If the guy with the stupid hair is supposed to be a stupid guy... maybe I should give the show a chance.

[Dr. Solar]

As for your refusal to watch B5 - you're missing out on a great show.

If the guy with the stupid hair is supposed to be a stupid guy... maybe I should give the show a chance.

Greg, don't bother.

Here's what typically happens:

B5 Fan: "Dude, you should watch Babylon 5, it's such a great show."

So you start watching the first season, and it kinda sucks.

B5 Fan: "Just hang in there, season 1 is all setup, season 2 is where it starts to get good."

So you watch Season 2, and it really kinda just seems like more of the same.

B5 Fan: "Trust me, it all really starts to pay off in season 3."

So you stick with it and watch Season 3. Still, you think, "meh".

B5 Fan: "It's all leading to season 4, and it's awesome!"

You're in this far, might as well get the big payoff, right? Eh, it was ok. I guess. Well, at least there is just one more season to go.

B5 Fan: "Sorry, man. Season 5 isn't that great."

[greg]

As for your refusal to watch B5 - you're missing out on a great show.

If the guy with the stupid hair is supposed to be a stupid guy... maybe I should give the show a chance.

Greg, don't bother.

Here's what typically happens:

B5 Fan: "Dude, you should watch Babylon 5, it's such a great show."

So you start watching the first season, and it kinda sucks.

B5 Fan: "Just hang in there, season 1 is all setup, season 2 is where it starts to get good."

So you watch Season 2, and it really kinda just seems like more of the same.

B5 Fan: "Trust me, it all really starts to pay off in season 3."

So you stick with it and watch Season 3. Still, you think, "meh".

B5 Fan: "It's all leading to season 4, and it's awesome!"

You're in this far, might as well get the big payoff, right? Eh, it was ok. I guess. Well, at least there is just one more season to go.

B5 Fan: "Sorry, man. Season 5 isn't that great."

[carter3175]

So I went back through the book. I'm not sure I am buying Twist. I could not take him as a serious character. He kind of looks ridiculous in a tailor made white suit. I mean if he was in a human form and changed and ripped out of the suit maybe. I dunno just saying I am not sure what the tone or mood of this book is going to be. To me it has a superhero feel to it. Its not dark and its not a light book, its feels in between. It is way too early to pass judgement on this book. I was hoping for something edgy, dark almost similar to the Acclaim Shadowman, or Miller's Daredevil or even Batman when it comes to the dark corners of his universe. This guy is in New Orleans, the Voodoo capital of the United States and for those of you who have never been there, it has a certain feel and vibe to that place. That place has some serious history man! I'm going to buy this book and continue to read it to see where it goes because I am curious and I will support Valiant. Don't get me wrong ALL of the Valiant books have been quality I just need to look at this book with a new set of eyes.

[Chiclo]

As for your refusal to watch B5 - you're missing out on a great show.

If the guy with the stupid hair is supposed to be a stupid guy... maybe I should give the show a chance.

Greg, don't bother.

Here's what typically happens:

B5 Fan: "Dude, you should watch Babylon 5, it's such a great show."

So you start watching the first season, and it kinda sucks.

B5 Fan: "Just hang in there, season 1 is all setup, season 2 is where it starts to get good."

So you watch Season 2, and it really kinda just seems like more of the same.

B5 Fan: "Trust me, it all really starts to pay off in season 3."

So you stick with it and watch Season 3. Still, you think, "meh".

B5 Fan: "It's all leading to season 4, and it's awesome!"

You're in this far, might as well get the big payoff, right? Eh, it was ok. I guess. Well, at least there is just one more season to go.

B5 Fan: "Sorry, man. Season 5 isn't that great."

This sounds very familiar but I would not describe myself as a B5 fan.

[lorddunlow]

As for your refusal to watch B5 - you're missing out on a great show.

If the guy with the stupid hair is supposed to be a stupid guy... maybe I should give the show a chance.

Greg, don't bother.

Here's what typically happens:

B5 Fan: "Dude, you should watch Babylon 5, it's such a great show."

So you start watching the first season, and it kinda sucks.

B5 Fan: "Just hang in there, season 1 is all setup, season 2 is where it starts to get good."

So you watch Season 2, and it really kinda just seems like more of the same.

B5 Fan: "Trust me, it all really starts to pay off in season 3."

So you stick with it and watch Season 3. Still, you think, "meh".

B5 Fan: "It's all leading to season 4, and it's awesome!"

You're in this far, might as well get the big payoff, right? Eh, it was ok. I guess. Well, at least there is just one more season to go.

B5 Fan: "Sorry, man. Season 5 isn't that great."

But B5 is an awesome series. The 5th season is mostly bad, but the finale and the Neil Gaiman episode make up for the rest of the season.

[carter3175]

Anyone else share my opinion at all on shadowman?

[KXXX]

Anyone else share my opinion at all on shadowman?

I understand. It's weird so far. Twist is kind of goofy, but I think we'll find that's more intentional than anything. I think it's good that it's (thusfar) in the grey zone you describe. Keeps it interesting. I'd like to see it move towards the dark soon.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Anyone else share my opinion at all on shadowman?

I was quite happy with the 2nd issue, but I know what you mean about the white suit on Twist, without knowing his background (eg was he human?) it's difficult to understand why he would value looking smart (I'm not saying white suits are smart by the way ! )? But that aside, I liked how the issue moved the story along. Could it be edgier? Yeah probably, but then if it's to fit in with the other titles then perhaps this is why it's not a mature/vertigo type book?

[BugsySig]

Anyone else share my opinion at all on shadowman?

I understand. It's weird so far. Twist is kind of goofy, but I think we'll find that's more intentional than anything. I think it's good that it's (thusfar) in the grey zone you describe. Keeps it interesting. I'd like to see it move towards the dark soon.

I think it just needs to figure out if its Hellblazer or Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Not saying it has to be either, just that Darque seems like a legit scary evil badass while twist is kinda Whedon-esque. That part is a bit all over the map in terms of tone for me.

That doesn't mean I don't like the character of Twist, because I do, but Darque has been my favorite part (even though they have been short glimpses), so I hope the tone of those scenes continues.

[Chris Campbell]

I give this 4.5 out of 5.

Mr. Twist in a white suit was just fun.

Like many here, loved the magic discussion.

And the pace continues to be great.

[BugsySig]

I posted a thread with an interview with FVL and he discusses how the Geomancer's power works. He brought in some quantum theory and basically talked about them tapping into the charged, or "life", particles. The new big bad, the Null, work in opposition to that by tapping into the uncharged "void".

Thought that was interesting given the discussion over "Necromantic" energy and "magic" from this book.

[cavemold]

i really like the magic is going to be part of this book and twist is pretty cool villain.