Faith's Winter Wonderland Special

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Re: Faith's Winter Wonderland Special

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tell wrote:
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
tell wrote:
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Yes Christmas is very commercial but if you really want to be political then look at how the word ‘Christmas’ is being slowly eradicated in North America and Europe! :?
If you think the word Christmas is being eradicated in North America you must have fallen down the War-On-Christmas rabbit hole created by Fox News, into their FearmongerScape.
I’m not American and nor do I watch Fox, but certainly in Europe this is a real thing and not a media invention. One example being Christmas markets are now ‘winter markets’.

Judging by US tv programmes in recent years you tend to hear the phrase ‘happy holidays’ instead of ‘merry Christmas’ or is this not the case?

In fact, the issue of Faith in this thread avoids the use of the word Christmas and is referred to as a ‘Winter Wonderland’ special? What even is a ‘winter wonderland’??
Sure, you see Happy Holidays a lot more than you used to, but the word Christmas is far from being eradicated. The news loves to talk about it like it's a huge deal when for the most part companies that aren't using Merry Christmas are doing so of their own volition because it appeals to a wider market, it's capitalism not PC culture war.

As for the Winter Wonderland, the term comes from a 1934 Christmas song, it's a very common and popular phrase which doubles as a reference to Wonderland, where Alice In Wonderland takes place. It seems like a very logical title to me, it ties together the winter holidays with Alice In Wonderland.
I think what we’re seeing now with the gradual move away from using the word ‘Christmas’ is the early stages of what is to come and in 10 years time (assuming we stay on the same trajectory) then it will have declined significantly. You can see how Western societies across the world have significantly changed over the past 30 years. This is just another part of that change.

In my view, it is driven by pc culture but (to your point) businesses adopt it if they think it will make them more money. However, in Europe, local councils are implementing this kind of change and that isn’t driven by capitalism.

Thinking about the actual book, Savage attacks commercialism talking about toys, cartoons etc but isn’t this the exact business model Valiant is hoping to achieve? :?

I note that DC has a ‘holiday special ‘ too, with Superman wearing a Father Christmas hat! :P

Interesting debate (much more interesting than the actual book IMO), thanks for the input. :thumb:


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