Livewire #9 Discussion
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- grendeljd
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Livewire #9 Discussion
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Re: Livewire #9 Discussion
enjoyed the show, agreed with the show.
Ninjak#14 (last comic) 5400 sold per comichron
Shadowman #11 (last comic) 5500 sold per comichron
Livewire #8 4450 sold per coimichron
While Chris stated the reason Ninjak and Shadowman were canceled due to sales, remember when they announced the end of the books, 3 months prior
Aug 2018
Ninja K #10 6400 sold per comichron
Shadowman #6 6400 sold per comichron
These are not numbers that would qualify as "time to shut these books down due to low sales". I think it's time to look elsewhere for a reason for these books to end. Maybe look to who the lead editor was during that time, Illedge.
Ninjak#14 (last comic) 5400 sold per comichron
Shadowman #11 (last comic) 5500 sold per comichron
Livewire #8 4450 sold per coimichron
While Chris stated the reason Ninjak and Shadowman were canceled due to sales, remember when they announced the end of the books, 3 months prior
Aug 2018
Ninja K #10 6400 sold per comichron
Shadowman #6 6400 sold per comichron
These are not numbers that would qualify as "time to shut these books down due to low sales". I think it's time to look elsewhere for a reason for these books to end. Maybe look to who the lead editor was during that time, Illedge.
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Re: Livewire #9 Discussion
This one was painful.
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Re: Livewire #9 Discussion
5/5 for the podcast. Chris and DBS hit the nail on the head with the assessment of VEI under the current management, but is anyone from Valiant bothering to listen to hard core fans?grendeljd wrote:New OTV:VCR podcast discussing/reviewing this issue [& PSI-Lords #3];
http://onlythevaliant.com/episodes/vcr218/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks to any who listen in
Livewire #9 was a tedious story, politician goes after after Psiots, undocumented people (yawn) and the mentally ill!?! Whaat?! But there’s no politically biased agenda in these books (where’s KJ when you need him?)
Dont know what was happening in the first few pages, did Livewire turn the security guards into replicas of herself somehow?
Art was not up to scratch, another one of Antos’ clique perhaps?
1/5 - not good, not good at all
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Re: Livewire #9 Discussion
I figured you'd be triggered by this issueDallow Spicer1 wrote:5/5 for the podcast. Chris and DBS hit the nail on the head with the assessment of VEI under the current management, but is anyone from Valiant bothering to listen to hard core fans?grendeljd wrote:New OTV:VCR podcast discussing/reviewing this issue [& PSI-Lords #3];
http://onlythevaliant.com/episodes/vcr218/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks to any who listen in
Livewire #9 was a tedious story, politician goes after after Psiots, undocumented people (yawn) and the mentally ill!?! Whaat?! But there’s no politically biased agenda in these books (where’s KJ when you need him?)
Dont know what was happening in the first few pages, did Livewire turn the security guards into replicas of herself somehow?
Art was not up to scratch, another one of Antos’ clique perhaps?
1/5 - not good, not good at all
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Re: Livewire #9 Discussion
Wholly agree. Unfortunately, this is actually an example of some heavy-handed, clumsy political themes poorly inserted into an entertainment comic - unlike most of the stuff that seems to be triggering Dallow Spicer lately. A total slog of an issue to read - nothing enjoyable about it at all. Art was equally atrocious - & I really don't like to be so negative about comic art, but it has to be said here.WhoDoo wrote:This one was painful.
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Re: Livewire #9 Discussion
‘Triggered’ Stop being so woke Grendel And get your Canadian arse back on the podcast you’ve been slacking for too longgrendeljd wrote:I figured you'd be triggered by this issueDallow Spicer1 wrote:5/5 for the podcast. Chris and DBS hit the nail on the head with the assessment of VEI under the current management, but is anyone from Valiant bothering to listen to hard core fans?grendeljd wrote:New OTV:VCR podcast discussing/reviewing this issue [& PSI-Lords #3];
http://onlythevaliant.com/episodes/vcr218/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks to any who listen in
Livewire #9 was a tedious story, politician goes after after Psiots, undocumented people (yawn) and the mentally ill!?! Whaat?! But there’s no politically biased agenda in these books (where’s KJ when you need him?)
Dont know what was happening in the first few pages, did Livewire turn the security guards into replicas of herself somehow?
Art was not up to scratch, another one of Antos’ clique perhaps?
1/5 - not good, not good at all
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Re: Livewire #9 Discussion
They weren't security guards. They were the "personas" of security software. She Smith'd 'em.Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Dont know what was happening in the first few pages, did Livewire turn the security guards into replicas of herself somehow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8GGwgI2vGU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Livewire #9 Discussion
Ahh I see. Thanks for clearing that upgreg wrote:They weren't security guards. They were the "personas" of security software. She Smith'd 'em.Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Dont know what was happening in the first few pages, did Livewire turn the security guards into replicas of herself somehow?
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Re: Livewire #9 Discussion
Ohhhhh, I’m woke AF!Dallow Spicer1 wrote:‘Triggered’ Stop being so woke Grendel And get your Canadian arse back on the podcast you’ve been slacking for too longgrendeljd wrote:I figured you'd be triggered by this issueDallow Spicer1 wrote:5/5 for the podcast. Chris and DBS hit the nail on the head with the assessment of VEI under the current management, but is anyone from Valiant bothering to listen to hard core fans?grendeljd wrote:New OTV:VCR podcast discussing/reviewing this issue [& PSI-Lords #3];
http://onlythevaliant.com/episodes/vcr218/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks to any who listen in
Livewire #9 was a tedious story, politician goes after after Psiots, undocumented people (yawn) and the mentally ill!?! Whaat?! But there’s no politically biased agenda in these books (where’s KJ when you need him?)
Dont know what was happening in the first few pages, did Livewire turn the security guards into replicas of herself somehow?
Art was not up to scratch, another one of Antos’ clique perhaps?
1/5 - not good, not good at all
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Re: Livewire #9 Discussion
Words fail me to review this amateur-hour attempt at an X-Men Animated episode.
Although opening with more hand-to-hand combat made me laugh in disbelief.
Although opening with more hand-to-hand combat made me laugh in disbelief.
"If you think any of these [older comics/shows/movies] do not carry a political content and is not using the medium of science fiction to explore real-world ideas, than you have not been paying attention." - Dan Abnett, VCR #246
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Re: Livewire #9 Discussion
I'm a pretty die-hard liberal. To the point that I see out-of-context dog-whistles from certain people all over this board. And I cringe when certain folks claim there's "agendas" by writers in comics as if comics have not (generally speaking) been the outlet for inclusion, open-mindedness, and historical liberalism for 40 years.
That said, there's nothing in this book or Psi-Lords #3 that is appealing to this liberal. Garbage, ham-fisted, predictable writing is still just that. And even if the writers and/or editors were solely putting out comics that fit their agenda (they aren't), there is no audience for THIS version of that.
This is just terrible execution of a badly plotted story from a parent company that I'm truly beginning to think sees comics as the gutters of entertainment media based on what they've delivered the last few months.
That said, there's nothing in this book or Psi-Lords #3 that is appealing to this liberal. Garbage, ham-fisted, predictable writing is still just that. And even if the writers and/or editors were solely putting out comics that fit their agenda (they aren't), there is no audience for THIS version of that.
This is just terrible execution of a badly plotted story from a parent company that I'm truly beginning to think sees comics as the gutters of entertainment media based on what they've delivered the last few months.
"If you think any of these [older comics/shows/movies] do not carry a political content and is not using the medium of science fiction to explore real-world ideas, than you have not been paying attention." - Dan Abnett, VCR #246
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Re: Livewire #9 Discussion
I’m not sure how we got here. But here we’re..
I wanted a LiveWire ongoing so bad during Unity! This is not what I imagined!
I wanted a LiveWire ongoing so bad during Unity! This is not what I imagined!
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