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The picture to me just looks like a younger She-Ra. It reminds me of these various Winx cartoons that my daughter watches.
Given that the target audience of the show is likely little girls in the 5-12 year old range, it seems appropriate.
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The Dirt Gang wrote:C'mon now. She doesn't really look like a boy.
She looks much bettter in that artwork, but she has serious man shoulders and man chin in this one.
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I find this thread pretty interesting but, ultimately, I find it somewhat funny that it's folks complaining about lack of representation and criticizing those that also want more representation. I know, I know - they can have their representation just not with the characters you've grown up with and adore.
Nah, I don't think you're getting it. Diversity =/= intellectual diversity. My argument throughout this whole thread is that, if you're going to have progressive politics pop up in comics, that's fine, but I wish there'd be more of balance. It's really not about diversity of race, gender, or sexual orientation at all. It's about whether we're being force-fed a political agenda or not.
As for Mark Waid, I think he's a great writer but I've read several stories over the years that make him sound like a bit of a troll. Mark Alessi of Crossgen has a really crazy story about Waid. If it's true, it's very sad.
He's an ideologue, more than anything. (I'd love to hear this story of yours)

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The Dirt Gang wrote:C'mon now. She doesn't really look like a boy.
She looks much bettter in that artwork, but she has serious man shoulders and man chin in this one.
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Give me a *SQUEE* break.

You people really need to get a life and learn some biology/anatomy/anything that isn't just parroting the stupid ideas of a beloved bigot leader.
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I can *kind* of see what he is saying. If you remove the backdrop of majestic, flowing hair it looks a bit like a boy.

Personally I think any sort of androgyny expressed in this image is as much an artifact of the art style as anything. Not a stylistic choice I would have made, but then again my opinion in such things does not matter as I am neither an artist, nor an owner of any portion of the She-Ra intellectual property or someone with any fiduciary responsibility to the owners of the She-Ra intellectual property. And really, I have actual problems to worry about and don't have time to get bent out of shape over reboots of cartoons from my childhood that I don't remember watching.

Except for Dino-Riders. If they reboot Dino-Riders and change even one little thing to make it more palatable to modern kids with smart phones, vociferously complaining about it online to other people who don't matter will consume every minute of my free time. Or not.

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How is this not still a thing?

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lorddunlow wrote:[

Give me a *SQUEE* break.

You people really need to get a life and learn some biology/anatomy/anything that isn't just parroting the stupid ideas of a beloved bigot leader.
lol "you people". I honestly don't give a *SQUEE* about this stupid show, but I'm just pointing out that she has man shoulders and man chin. That's not parroting. That's having eyeballs and being a rational human being. I really can't figure out why you're getting so riled up about this.

..and when you say "beloved bigot leader," you have to realize that D&C isn't the only person to ever make a YouTube video about She-Ra's *SQUEE* new design, right?

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^Totally not a boy. facepalm

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TheFerg714 wrote:^Totally not a boy. facepalm
If this She-Ra is a girl, rather than a woman, then it sounds like you're upset that a cartoon girl doesn't have large breasts. That's creepy.

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TheFerg714 wrote:^Totally not a boy. facepalm
If this She-Ra is a girl, rather than a woman, then it sounds like you're upset that a cartoon girl doesn't have large breasts. That's creepy.
What part of "man shoulders and man chin" are you misunderstanding here? How many times have I said this?

Seems like you're the weird one dude.

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greg wrote:
TheFerg714 wrote:^Totally not a boy. facepalm
If this She-Ra is a girl, rather than a woman, then it sounds like you're upset that a cartoon girl doesn't have large breasts. That's creepy.
What part of "man shoulders and man chin" are you misunderstanding here? How many times have I said this?
Seems like you're the weird one dude.
Give it up. You've been extremely creepy this whole topic. Probably need to re-assess your Dunning-Kruger on this one.

If you come out of your bubble, you'll see that an inspiration for little girls everywhere is a real world woman named Jessie Graff. This redesigned She-Ra could easily be based on (a young version of) her... they'd love to have 20million+ views for She-Ra. (But even then, there will always be certifiable donkey holes like the 5k downvotes.)
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possumgrease wrote:How is this not still a thing?

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greg wrote: Give it up. You've been extremely creepy this whole topic. Probably need to re-assess your Dunning-Kruger on this one.
You're something else man. facepalm It's cool that you're comfortable throwing around insults while I've simply been stating facts. :?
If you come out of your bubble, you'll see that an inspiration for little girls everywhere is a real world woman named Jessie Graff. This redesigned She-Ra could easily be based on (a young version of) her... they'd love to have 20million+ views for She-Ra. (But even then, there will always be certifiable donkey holes like the 5k downvotes.)
Yea, Jessie Graff looks like a woman... The She-Ra in that pic doesn't. Your point?

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TheFerg714 wrote:Yea, Jessie Graff looks like a woman... The She-Ra in that pic doesn't. Your point?
She-Ra looks like Jessie Graff... and...

(brace yourself)




It's not a problem.

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greg wrote:
TheFerg714 wrote:Yea, Jessie Graff looks like a woman... The She-Ra in that pic doesn't. Your point?
She-Ra looks like Jessie Graff... and...

(brace yourself)




It's not a problem.
...I agree? This whole time, my only thesis has been "the new She-Ra looks like a boy."

I really couldn't care less, it's a kid's cartoon. I just think it's silly and emblematic of how sjw's tend to masculinize female characters. :?

It's you and lorddunlow who've been freaking out about it and calling people "creepy" and "pedo perverts." Kinda puts things in perspective when you look at the amount of insults you guys threw throughout this thread. :?

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Would now be the time to discuss James Gunn’s dismissal?

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TheFerg714 wrote:
greg wrote:
TheFerg714 wrote:Yea, Jessie Graff looks like a woman... The She-Ra in that pic doesn't. Your point?
She-Ra looks like Jessie Graff... and...

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It's not a problem.
...I agree? This whole time, my only thesis has been "the new She-Ra looks like a boy."

I really couldn't care less, it's a kid's cartoon. I just think it's silly and emblematic of how sjw's tend to masculinize female characters. :?

It's you and lorddunlow who've been freaking out about it and calling people "creepy" and "pedo perverts." Kinda puts things in perspective when you look at the amount of insults you guys threw throughout this thread. :?
Count 'em. I'll wait.

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possumgrease wrote:Would now be the time to discuss James Gunn’s dismissal?
The saddest thing to me is that Kirk from Gilmore Girls probably won't be in Guardians 3. :cry:

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TheFerg714 wrote:Not saying the right isn't at fault, but from my point of view, the left, in 2018, is far more toxic.
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TheFerg714 wrote:Not saying the right isn't at fault, but from my point of view, the left, in 2018, is far more toxic.
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If it was only Berkeley students. Things would be great.

It's not just the little. Most pOC's are against PC:

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Over all, 68 percent agreed that political correctness was a big problem, including 62 percent of self-identified Democrats, 68 percent of independents and 81 percent of Republicans. These views cut across racial lines. Seventy-two percent of whites and 61 percent of nonwhites (mostly African-American and Hispanic) describe political correctness as a big problem. A Rasmussen poll in August found that 71 percent of 1,000 adults surveyed agreed with the statement that political correctness was “a problem in America today.”

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Did they also poll those 1,000 people about concentration camps for migrant toddlers? Because I feel like opposition might be higher than 71%.

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I gotta say I'm not 100 percent against concentration camps for toddlers.

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greg wrote:
TheFerg714 wrote:Not saying the right isn't at fault, but from my point of view, the left, in 2018, is far more toxic.
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You're really assuming a lot about me. Here's a hint: ((I don't support everything conservatives support)). facepalm
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depluto wrote:I gotta say I'm not 100 percent against concentration camps for toddlers.
As long as you're at least 72% against it, my math works.

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TheFerg714 wrote:
greg wrote:
TheFerg714 wrote:Not saying the right isn't at fault, but from my point of view, the left, in 2018, is far more toxic.
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You're really assuming a lot about me.
You're assuming that post was specifically about you. It's actually about Joshua Dysart.

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greg wrote:
TheFerg714 wrote:
greg wrote:
TheFerg714 wrote:Not saying the right isn't at fault, but from my point of view, the left, in 2018, is far more toxic.
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You're really assuming a lot about me.
You're assuming that post was specifically about you. It's actually about Joshua Dysart.
I assumed you were painting all of the right with a broad brush in order to make it easier for yourself to not engage with a specific person's ideas. Kind of like when Hilary called her naysayers "deplorables." Or like when people just assume that conservatives are alt-right.


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