So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Everything else comic-related that's not VALIANT-related.

Moderators: Daniel Jackson, greg

Post Reply
User avatar
Jersen
Personal shoe-shopper for Atom!
Personal shoe-shopper for Atom!
Posts: 341
Joined: Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:54:33 pm
Location: Malvern, AR
So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by Jersen »

So, I saw the Constantine movie years ago when it was in theaters, and that was my 1st experience with John Constantine. It wasn't until MUCH later that I realized he was a comic book character, and my 1st experience in reading John Constantine as a comic book character has been in the past couple of weeks while reading Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run. Never read an issue of Hellblazer.

So, what's so wrong with the Constantine movie, other than the fact that he's not blond in the movie? I really enjoy the movie but all I seem to hear is how horrible comic fans think it is. So, what's in the movie that is so wrong about John Constantine as a character?

User avatar
maraxusofkeld
I was young and silly and only read Marvel books.
I was young and silly and only read Marvel books.
Posts: 3124
Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:30:40 am
Valiant fan since: UNITY
Favorite character: Magnus
Favorite title: Magnus
Favorite artist: Bob Layton
Location: Liberated from enemy lines!
Contact:
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by maraxusofkeld »

The movie is very a d I say very loosely based on the comic. There is not an arc in the comic that has a plot like the movie other than the fact that he is dying of cancer.

User avatar
leonmallett
My mind is sharp. Like a sharp thing.
My mind is sharp. Like a sharp thing.
Posts: 9324
Joined: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:39:01 am
Valiant fan since: 2006
Favorite character: Shadowman (Hall version)
Favorite title: Shadowman (under Hall)
Favorite writer: Fred Van Lente
Favorite artist: Clayton Henry
Location: hunting down paulsmith56 somewhere in the balti belt...
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by leonmallett »

I quite liked it and have never read the comic book. :?
VEI - I look forward to you one day publishing MORE than 9-10 books per month

User avatar
Drift
...and I am a Valiantoholic.
...and I am a Valiantoholic.
Posts: 3308
Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:08:22 am
Location: Chasing my dreams inside my toybox
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by Drift »

Constantine is a sarcastic, cynical, wise-cracking Englishman. He drinks, smokes and cheats at cards and in general, isn't actually that nice of a guy. He is cool in his own way on some lower, working class level but isn't generally the kind of guy you want to throw in with but if you are friends with him he is loyal and will go out of his way to help, which is one of few redeeming features. In general, Americans have the same grasp on the base English sarcastic humour that makes Constantine a great character even if he is a complete *SQUEE*, so when Americans write the book it doesn't have the same feel to it and it was the same with the movie. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie for what it was but it just wasn't right. Keanu Reeves was the wrong choice for the character and Shia LeBouef was all kinds of wrong as Chas as he is all kinds of wrong for just about every role he plays. In the movie, Chas wants to set himself up as some kind of apprentice to John. In the comics, he is one of John's oldest friends and accepts what he does but in general, he wants nothing to do with Constantine's magic.

For the storyline they chose to (loosely) base the film on, they should have followed the Ennis run of the comics more closely even if that meant setting it up in another movie. It had the potential to be a cool series of films but was handled poorly. I see Constantine working better as a TV series than a film franchise as they have more of an ability to really get to grips with the deep history and mythology that Moore and Delano created in Swamp Thing and the early part of the Hellblazer series.

In short: Movie = OK but badly cast; TV series would be better. Get English writers like Ennis and Delano on board even in the capacity of consultants as they were the ones that made the comics great.

User avatar
ian_house
using a Welsh to American translator
using a Welsh to American translator
Posts: 5783
Joined: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:24:28 am
Location: Vietnam
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by ian_house »

Drift wrote:Constantine is a sarcastic, cynical, wise-cracking Englishman. He drinks, smokes and cheats at cards and in general, isn't actually that nice of a guy. He is cool in his own way on some lower, working class level but isn't generally the kind of guy you want to throw in with but if you are friends with him he is loyal and will go out of his way to help, which is one of few redeeming features. In general, Americans have the same grasp on the base English sarcastic humour that makes Constantine a great character even if he is a complete *SQUEE*, so when Americans write the book it doesn't have the same feel to it and it was the same with the movie. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie for what it was but it just wasn't right. Keanu Reeves was the wrong choice for the character and Shia LeBouef was all kinds of wrong as Chas as he is all kinds of wrong for just about every role he plays. In the movie, Chas wants to set himself up as some kind of apprentice to John. In the comics, he is one of John's oldest friends and accepts what he does but in general, he wants nothing to do with Constantine's magic.

For the storyline they chose to (loosely) base the film on, they should have followed the Ennis run of the comics more closely even if that meant setting it up in another movie. It had the potential to be a cool series of films but was handled poorly. I see Constantine working better as a TV series than a film franchise as they have more of an ability to really get to grips with the deep history and mythology that Moore and Delano created in Swamp Thing and the early part of the Hellblazer series.

In short: Movie = OK but badly cast; TV series would be better. Get English writers like Ennis and Delano on board even in the capacity of consultants as they were the ones that made the comics great.
Pretty much what I was going to say. :thumb:

User avatar
myron
I do embrace my inner geekdom
I do embrace my inner geekdom
Posts: 16237
Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:37:59 am
Valiant fan since: 1991
Favorite character: Gilad
Favorite title: Pre-Unity Harbinger
Location: watertown, wi
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by myron »

I like the comics, I like the movie in the same way I like most comic book adaptations...


They are NOT the comic, but loose interpretations...and that's fine. I watch movies for the same reason I read comics...enjoyment factor.
Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?

steverino
Account deactivated by administrator.
Posts: 5504
Joined: Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:26:15 am
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by steverino »

Never read any of the books. I treat anything Alan Moore does as if its radioactive waste and it's usually pretty close to it. Can't see how the character of Constantine could be any different.

The movie: Loved it! Keanu did a great job in it. If it was that far off from Moore's creation, it's no wonder it was actually enjoyable.

User avatar
ian_house
using a Welsh to American translator
using a Welsh to American translator
Posts: 5783
Joined: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:24:28 am
Location: Vietnam
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by ian_house »

steverino wrote:Never read any of the books. I treat anything Alan Moore does as if its radioactive waste and it's usually pretty close to it. Can't see how the character of Constantine could be any different.

The movie: Loved it! Keanu did a great job in it. If it was that far off from Moore's creation, it's no wonder it was actually enjoyable.
Alan Moore might have created the character but there is quite a bit more to it than that...

He could have been quite different. He could have been a woman, or a different colour, nice, friendly, a superhero, a fireman, a porn star. This could go on a while.

Keanu did an awesome job of presenting absolutely no emotion!

User avatar
BruceReville
Why don't we just call ourselves C-Men and be done with it
Why don't we just call ourselves C-Men and be done with it
Posts: 7318
Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:47:41 pm
Location: Here
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by BruceReville »

I liked the movie
Everybody Is Right Until Someone Else Disagrees.

steverino
Account deactivated by administrator.
Posts: 5504
Joined: Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:26:15 am
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by steverino »

ian_house wrote:
steverino wrote:Never read any of the books. I treat anything Alan Moore does as if its radioactive waste and it's usually pretty close to it. Can't see how the character of Constantine could be any different.

The movie: Loved it! Keanu did a great job in it. If it was that far off from Moore's creation, it's no wonder it was actually enjoyable.
Alan Moore might have created the character but there is quite a bit more to it than that...

He could have been quite different. He could have been a woman, or a different colour, nice, friendly, a superhero, a fireman, a porn star. This could go on a while.

Keanu did an awesome job of presenting absolutely no emotion!

It may be just me, but I saw plenty of emotion from the character. He had contempt and disgust for just about everything. Mostly, he just angry, but I also saw remorse, fear, among others. I enjoyed the hell out of his performance.

User avatar
vikingspawn
Clinkin' bottles with Aram
Clinkin' bottles with Aram
Posts: 2968
Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:09:24 pm
Location: Ack-Ack
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by vikingspawn »

As a regular movie, I found it was so boring. I walked out of the theater because I was so bored by it. The performances were ok but the pacing was brutal.

User avatar
superman-prime
scratch 1 for the coog guys
scratch 1 for the coog guys
Posts: 23252
Joined: Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:27:32 am
Location: phx az (east valley)
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by superman-prime »

I liked the movie as well and like Moore as much as Al gore loves nucular power

User avatar
Lightning Strike
Silent from '04 to '07, then he strikes!
Silent from '04 to '07, then he strikes!
Posts: 8008
Joined: Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:58:43 pm
Location: Physically: USA---Spiritually: Ireland
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by Lightning Strike »

Jersen wrote:So, I saw the Constantine movie years ago when it was in theaters, and that was my 1st experience with John Constantine. It wasn't until MUCH later that I realized he was a comic book character, and my 1st experience in reading John Constantine as a comic book character has been in the past couple of weeks while reading Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run. Never read an issue of Hellblazer.

So, what's so wrong with the Constantine movie, other than the fact that he's not blond in the movie? I really enjoy the movie but all I seem to hear is how horrible comic fans think it is. So, what's in the movie that is so wrong about John Constantine as a character?
Like you, I liked the movie and thought it was pretty good. I then read a couple issues of the comic but didn't care for it.

User avatar
xodacia81
Here I am, happy as a clam
Here I am, happy as a clam
Posts: 18404
Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:09:33 pm
Location: East of Chicago, West of New York
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by xodacia81 »

I enjoy both the movie and the comic for what they are, which isn't always easy for me to do. For instance, I cannot abide the movie version of LOEG, but I think the comics are wicked fun. This, however, I enjoyed, maybe because I saw the film first and then read the books later.

User avatar
maraxusofkeld
I was young and silly and only read Marvel books.
I was young and silly and only read Marvel books.
Posts: 3124
Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:30:40 am
Valiant fan since: UNITY
Favorite character: Magnus
Favorite title: Magnus
Favorite artist: Bob Layton
Location: Liberated from enemy lines!
Contact:
Re: So, what's wrong with the Constantine movie?

Post by maraxusofkeld »

xodacia81 wrote:I enjoy both the movie and the comic for what they are, which isn't always easy for me to do. For instance, I cannot abide the movie version of LOEG, but I think the comics are wicked fun. This, however, I enjoyed, maybe because I saw the film first and then read the books later.

Agreed, I also enjoy both the movies and the comics :thumb:


Post Reply