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I wasn't a huge Solar fan when the books were coming out, but later read the pre-Unity stuff and loved it. So I've got big gaps in my post-Unity Solar reading. How does it hold up, any gems?

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Looks like Vanhook takes over and finishes off the pre-Unity plots and then becomes the main writer for a lengthy run.

Then 3 issues after Chaos Effect (#42) a guy named Steve Sullivan does 2 issues, Christopher Priest does 2 issues (I forgot he did stuff for VH1) and then issue 46 is Birthquake. Jurgens goes until #54, Tony Bedard takes over from 55-59, then Keith Giffen polishes it off with #60.

Some real interesting names there. I sold off a bunch of my post Unity years ago when I was purging, but I've been building it back again recently :lol:

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Looking at my comments from a few years back (all int the Re-Reading forum), I enjoyed Solar a lot through #24 and generally up to Chaos Effect. Everything after (like most titles) was skipable.
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SwiftMann wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 2:53:04 pm Looking at my comments from a few years back (all int the Re-Reading forum), I enjoyed Solar a lot through #24 and generally up to Chaos Effect. Everything after (like most titles) was skipable.
:thumb: Checking out those threads. Vanhook and Grau seems like it should be a solid team.

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SwiftMann wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:51:44 pm Solar, Man of the Atom #46-60 – Jurgens’ take on Solar (including a five issue run that writes a whole new world) is ambitious and probably looked a bit better on paper than the final versions. They feel very cartoony or cheesy in the Valiant Universe. I enjoyed Bedard’s follow-up on the title quite a bit. Why they handed it off to Giffin for the final, awful issue, I have no idea.
From the other thread. I was curious about the Bedard issues, I've always thought he was a good writer.

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Ryan wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 3:19:59 pm
SwiftMann wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:51:44 pm Solar, Man of the Atom #46-60 – Jurgens’ take on Solar (including a five issue run that writes a whole new world) is ambitious and probably looked a bit better on paper than the final versions. They feel very cartoony or cheesy in the Valiant Universe. I enjoyed Bedard’s follow-up on the title quite a bit. Why they handed it off to Giffin for the final, awful issue, I have no idea.
From the other thread. I was curious about the Bedard issues, I've always thought he was a good writer.
They were good in that he brought Solar back down to Earth, but they were bad in that they seemed to lack direction.
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Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 7:46:48 am
Ryan wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 3:19:59 pm
SwiftMann wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:51:44 pm Solar, Man of the Atom #46-60 – Jurgens’ take on Solar (including a five issue run that writes a whole new world) is ambitious and probably looked a bit better on paper than the final versions. They feel very cartoony or cheesy in the Valiant Universe. I enjoyed Bedard’s follow-up on the title quite a bit. Why they handed it off to Giffin for the final, awful issue, I have no idea.
From the other thread. I was curious about the Bedard issues, I've always thought he was a good writer.
They were good in that he brought Solar back down to Earth, but they were bad in that they seemed to lack direction.
Yeah, I wrote the above a couple years ago, but now have no memory of what Bedard's issues were about. And, I agree, he's generally a good writer.
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SwiftMann wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 9:05:41 am
Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 7:46:48 am
Ryan wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 3:19:59 pm
SwiftMann wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:51:44 pm Solar, Man of the Atom #46-60 – Jurgens’ take on Solar (including a five issue run that writes a whole new world) is ambitious and probably looked a bit better on paper than the final versions. They feel very cartoony or cheesy in the Valiant Universe. I enjoyed Bedard’s follow-up on the title quite a bit. Why they handed it off to Giffin for the final, awful issue, I have no idea.
From the other thread. I was curious about the Bedard issues, I've always thought he was a good writer.
They were good in that he brought Solar back down to Earth, but they were bad in that they seemed to lack direction.
Yeah, I wrote the above a couple years ago, but now have no memory of what Bedard's issues were about. And, I agree, he's generally a good writer.
Something about Phil working in a soup kitchen and getting a dog from Chernobyl, no?
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Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 7:46:48 am They were good in that he brought Solar back down to Earth, but they were bad in that they seemed to lack direction.
Are you a fan of the Vanhook Solar run? I've only read a few random issues and the Destroyer stuff way back when, would like to read the whole thing.

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SwiftMann wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 9:05:41 am Yeah, I wrote the above a couple years ago, but now have no memory of what Bedard's issues were about. And, I agree, he's generally a good writer.
I liked Bedard on Magnus. I didn't like the idea of the time jump to 4020, but the execution wasn't bad, I enjoyed the Bedard writing more than Ostrander.
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Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 9:56:10 am Something about Phil working in a soup kitchen and getting a dog from Chernobyl, no?
:lol: post-Birthquake was crazy times

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Ryan wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 10:01:38 am Are you a fan of the Vanhook Solar run? I've only read a few random issues and the Destroyer stuff way back when, would like to read the whole thing.
Absolutely. He really understood where to place the focus and the tone was perfect.
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Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 12:23:46 pm Absolutely. He really understood where to place the focus and the tone was perfect.
:thumb: Will add it to the pile.

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Review - Solar 14 and 15

Very solid issues that had the pre-Unity feel. Interesting characters and well told stories. I like Bender as a villain.

My complaints/nitpicks - So Phil comes back from Unity and the first thing he does is take some random dude into the quantum field so he can get powers just like Pierce? That felt too contrived and dumb, took away from the impact of the story. Would have been much better if they could've thought of a more clever way for Bender to trick Phil into taking him to the quantum.

I love Ditko, but sometimes the faces got too cartoony and didn't feel like a VALIANT book. You can always count on Ditko for super descriptive panels and clear storytelling though, that was all there.

Overall I grade these issues a solid B.

I can't believe how many post-Unity Solars I haven't read. Just got the majority of the Vanhook run on ebay for under 20 bucks though, so I'll continue this when I get those.

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Ryan wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 5:51:30 pm Review - Solar 14 and 15

Very solid issues that had the pre-Unity feel. Interesting characters and well told stories. I like Bender as a villain.

My complaints/nitpicks - So Phil comes back from Unity and the first thing he does is take some random dude into the quantum field so he can get powers just like Pierce? That felt too contrived and dumb, took away from the impact of the story. Would have been much better if they could've thought of a more clever way for Bender to trick Phil into taking him to the quantum.

I love Ditko, but sometimes the faces got too cartoony and didn't feel like a VALIANT book. You can always count on Ditko for super descriptive panels and clear storytelling though, that was all there.

Overall I grade these issues a solid B.

I can't believe how many post-Unity Solars I haven't read. Just got the majority of the Vanhook run on ebay for under 20 bucks though, so I'll continue this when I get those.
Those are two issues I think I've only read once.
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Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 8:18:30 pm
Ryan wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 5:51:30 pm Review - Solar 14 and 15

Very solid issues that had the pre-Unity feel. Interesting characters and well told stories. I like Bender as a villain.

My complaints/nitpicks - So Phil comes back from Unity and the first thing he does is take some random dude into the quantum field so he can get powers just like Pierce? That felt too contrived and dumb, took away from the impact of the story. Would have been much better if they could've thought of a more clever way for Bender to trick Phil into taking him to the quantum.

I love Ditko, but sometimes the faces got too cartoony and didn't feel like a VALIANT book. You can always count on Ditko for super descriptive panels and clear storytelling though, that was all there.

Overall I grade these issues a solid B.

I can't believe how many post-Unity Solars I haven't read. Just got the majority of the Vanhook run on ebay for under 20 bucks though, so I'll continue this when I get those.
Those are two issues I think I've only read once.
Read 'em again! Would love to hear your thoughts :thumb:

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Ryan wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 9:11:42 pm
Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 8:18:30 pm
Ryan wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 5:51:30 pm Review - Solar 14 and 15

Very solid issues that had the pre-Unity feel. Interesting characters and well told stories. I like Bender as a villain.

My complaints/nitpicks - So Phil comes back from Unity and the first thing he does is take some random dude into the quantum field so he can get powers just like Pierce? That felt too contrived and dumb, took away from the impact of the story. Would have been much better if they could've thought of a more clever way for Bender to trick Phil into taking him to the quantum.

I love Ditko, but sometimes the faces got too cartoony and didn't feel like a VALIANT book. You can always count on Ditko for super descriptive panels and clear storytelling though, that was all there.

Overall I grade these issues a solid B.

I can't believe how many post-Unity Solars I haven't read. Just got the majority of the Vanhook run on ebay for under 20 bucks though, so I'll continue this when I get those.
Those are two issues I think I've only read once.
Read 'em again! Would love to hear your thoughts :thumb:
Not sure when I'd be able to. I'm working on a re-write of Knights' Legacy that's taking up all of my time, heh.
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Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 6:31:45 am
Ryan wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 9:11:42 pm
Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 8:18:30 pm
Ryan wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 5:51:30 pm Review - Solar 14 and 15

Very solid issues that had the pre-Unity feel. Interesting characters and well told stories. I like Bender as a villain.

My complaints/nitpicks - So Phil comes back from Unity and the first thing he does is take some random dude into the quantum field so he can get powers just like Pierce? That felt too contrived and dumb, took away from the impact of the story. Would have been much better if they could've thought of a more clever way for Bender to trick Phil into taking him to the quantum.

I love Ditko, but sometimes the faces got too cartoony and didn't feel like a VALIANT book. You can always count on Ditko for super descriptive panels and clear storytelling though, that was all there.

Overall I grade these issues a solid B.

I can't believe how many post-Unity Solars I haven't read. Just got the majority of the Vanhook run on ebay for under 20 bucks though, so I'll continue this when I get those.
Those are two issues I think I've only read once.
Read 'em again! Would love to hear your thoughts :thumb:
Not sure when I'd be able to. I'm working on a re-write of Knights' Legacy that's taking up all of my time, heh.
I hear ya, reading comics time gets harder and harder to come by as I get older. Good luck on the writing, looking forward to reading those comics.

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Ryan wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 10:33:00 am
Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 6:31:45 am
Ryan wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 9:11:42 pm
Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 8:18:30 pm
Ryan wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 5:51:30 pm Review - Solar 14 and 15

Very solid issues that had the pre-Unity feel. Interesting characters and well told stories. I like Bender as a villain.

My complaints/nitpicks - So Phil comes back from Unity and the first thing he does is take some random dude into the quantum field so he can get powers just like Pierce? That felt too contrived and dumb, took away from the impact of the story. Would have been much better if they could've thought of a more clever way for Bender to trick Phil into taking him to the quantum.

I love Ditko, but sometimes the faces got too cartoony and didn't feel like a VALIANT book. You can always count on Ditko for super descriptive panels and clear storytelling though, that was all there.

Overall I grade these issues a solid B.

I can't believe how many post-Unity Solars I haven't read. Just got the majority of the Vanhook run on ebay for under 20 bucks though, so I'll continue this when I get those.
Those are two issues I think I've only read once.
Read 'em again! Would love to hear your thoughts :thumb:
Not sure when I'd be able to. I'm working on a re-write of Knights' Legacy that's taking up all of my time, heh.
I hear ya, reading comics time gets harder and harder to come by as I get older. Good luck on the writing, looking forward to reading those comics.
Thanks.

Of all my comics, I must have read my VALIANTs the most for when I wrote the Wiki entries. But because I wasn't allowed to create entries for Solar, Magnus, and Turok those I didn't read as much as the others.
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Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 2:34:43 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 10:33:00 am
Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 6:31:45 am
Ryan wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 9:11:42 pm
Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 8:18:30 pm
Ryan wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 5:51:30 pm Review - Solar 14 and 15

Very solid issues that had the pre-Unity feel. Interesting characters and well told stories. I like Bender as a villain.

My complaints/nitpicks - So Phil comes back from Unity and the first thing he does is take some random dude into the quantum field so he can get powers just like Pierce? That felt too contrived and dumb, took away from the impact of the story. Would have been much better if they could've thought of a more clever way for Bender to trick Phil into taking him to the quantum.

I love Ditko, but sometimes the faces got too cartoony and didn't feel like a VALIANT book. You can always count on Ditko for super descriptive panels and clear storytelling though, that was all there.

Overall I grade these issues a solid B.

I can't believe how many post-Unity Solars I haven't read. Just got the majority of the Vanhook run on ebay for under 20 bucks though, so I'll continue this when I get those.
Those are two issues I think I've only read once.
Read 'em again! Would love to hear your thoughts :thumb:
Not sure when I'd be able to. I'm working on a re-write of Knights' Legacy that's taking up all of my time, heh.
I hear ya, reading comics time gets harder and harder to come by as I get older. Good luck on the writing, looking forward to reading those comics.
Thanks.

Of all my comics, I must have read my VALIANTs the most for when I wrote the Wiki entries. But because I wasn't allowed to create entries for Solar, Magnus, and Turok those I didn't read as much as the others.
That makes sense. Those wikis aren't still around, are they?

I was reading VALIANT as it came out, so of course I couldn't get everything. I've gone back and re-read a lot of pre-Unity multiple times but never re-read much of post-Unity or caught up on the stuff I missed.

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Ryan wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 2:44:24 pm
Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 2:34:43 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 10:33:00 am
Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 6:31:45 am
Ryan wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 9:11:42 pm
Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 8:18:30 pm

Those are two issues I think I've only read once.
Read 'em again! Would love to hear your thoughts :thumb:
Not sure when I'd be able to. I'm working on a re-write of Knights' Legacy that's taking up all of my time, heh.
I hear ya, reading comics time gets harder and harder to come by as I get older. Good luck on the writing, looking forward to reading those comics.
Thanks.

Of all my comics, I must have read my VALIANTs the most for when I wrote the Wiki entries. But because I wasn't allowed to create entries for Solar, Magnus, and Turok those I didn't read as much as the others.
That makes sense. Those wikis aren't still around, are they?

I was reading VALIANT as it came out, so of course I couldn't get everything. I've gone back and re-read a lot of pre-Unity multiple times but never re-read much of post-Unity or caught up on the stuff I missed.
I salvaged what I could and moved it https://the-book-of-geomancer.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page, then later one of the admins from this Fandom page https://valiant.fandom.com/wiki/Valiant_Comics_Database started moving some of it over there, but then he stopped. I'm not sure what their status is as I haven't opened these pages in a long time.
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Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 6:18:30 pm I salvaged what I could and moved it https://the-book-of-geomancer.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page, then later one of the admins from this Fandom page https://valiant.fandom.com/wiki/Valiant_Comics_Database started moving some of it over there, but then he stopped. I'm not sure what their status is as I haven't opened these pages in a long time.
:thumb: Great work dude, it should be preserved.

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Ryan wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 6:43:24 pm
Man-of-The-Atom wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 6:18:30 pm I salvaged what I could and moved it https://the-book-of-geomancer.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page, then later one of the admins from this Fandom page https://valiant.fandom.com/wiki/Valiant_Comics_Database started moving some of it over there, but then he stopped. I'm not sure what their status is as I haven't opened these pages in a long time.
:thumb: Great work dude, it should be preserved.
Thanks, and I agree.
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