January 2017 Sales Discussion
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January 2017 Sales Discussion
And so it begins...
Interesting that Comichron listed Dollars and Units. Forgive my ignorance on this... does Dollars equate to the usual "Retail" figures?
Overall Dollar
Marvel - 37.09%
DC - 28.93%
Image - 9.82%
IDW - 5.25%
Dark Horse - 4.04%
Boom - 2.09%
Dynamite - 1.65%
Titan - 1.24%
Viz - 1.15%
Valiant - 0.82%
Other - 7.92%
Overall Unit
Marvel - 42.62%
DC - 31.33%
Image - 9.36%
IDW - 3.45%
Dark Horse - 2.91%
Boom - 1.91%
Dynamite - 1.47%
Titan - 1.10%
Viz - 0.39%
Valiant - 0.81%
Other - 4.65%
Interesting that Comichron listed Dollars and Units. Forgive my ignorance on this... does Dollars equate to the usual "Retail" figures?
Overall Dollar
Marvel - 37.09%
DC - 28.93%
Image - 9.82%
IDW - 5.25%
Dark Horse - 4.04%
Boom - 2.09%
Dynamite - 1.65%
Titan - 1.24%
Viz - 1.15%
Valiant - 0.82%
Other - 7.92%
Overall Unit
Marvel - 42.62%
DC - 31.33%
Image - 9.36%
IDW - 3.45%
Dark Horse - 2.91%
Boom - 1.91%
Dynamite - 1.47%
Titan - 1.10%
Viz - 0.39%
Valiant - 0.81%
Other - 4.65%
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Re: January 2017 Sales Discussion
209 Harbinger Renegade 3* $3.99 Valiant 8,228
215 Divinity III Stalinverse 2 $3.99 Valiant 7,848
218 Divinity III Aric 1 $3.99 Valiant 7,464
237 Faith 7 $3.99 Valiant 6,434
244 Bloodshot USA 4 $3.99 Valiant 6,138
249 Savage 3 $3.99 Valiant 5,860
250 Ninjak 23 $3.99 Valiant 5,850
294 Generation Zero 6 $3.99 Valiant 4,210
303 A&A 11 $3.99 Valiant 3,935
I'm not sure how the five month gap between Harbinger Renegade (#4 & #5, if I'm not mistaken) is going to help that title grab new readership...
Divinity has now become a franchise player, something should always be in progress for him and his supporting cast...
Bloodshot #0 & then Bloodshot Salvation (New #1?) will give that title a boost...
Ninjak, thee, franchise player, who gets more burn than anybody across the board, needs a spark if the numbering is going to continue into the thirties. A new #1 can't be far off...
Faith is hanging in there, but the hype is dying down...
I honestly thought Savage would peek new reader interest...
Gen Zero couldn't find an audience...
It's a wrap for A & A...
215 Divinity III Stalinverse 2 $3.99 Valiant 7,848
218 Divinity III Aric 1 $3.99 Valiant 7,464
237 Faith 7 $3.99 Valiant 6,434
244 Bloodshot USA 4 $3.99 Valiant 6,138
249 Savage 3 $3.99 Valiant 5,860
250 Ninjak 23 $3.99 Valiant 5,850
294 Generation Zero 6 $3.99 Valiant 4,210
303 A&A 11 $3.99 Valiant 3,935

I'm not sure how the five month gap between Harbinger Renegade (#4 & #5, if I'm not mistaken) is going to help that title grab new readership...
Divinity has now become a franchise player, something should always be in progress for him and his supporting cast...
Bloodshot #0 & then Bloodshot Salvation (New #1?) will give that title a boost...
Ninjak, thee, franchise player, who gets more burn than anybody across the board, needs a spark if the numbering is going to continue into the thirties. A new #1 can't be far off...
Faith is hanging in there, but the hype is dying down...
I honestly thought Savage would peek new reader interest...
Gen Zero couldn't find an audience...
It's a wrap for A & A...
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Re: January 2017 Sales Discussion
It's Good to see Valiant doing well in the industry. I was worried this catering to a different reader would hurt Valiant. Glad to see I was wrong.
I can't express enough how much I'm looking forward to the return of bloodshot and xo manowar.
I got my ten dollars usa money all ready for this wendsday renagade title and I'm mailing in my coupons super fast express shipping. Keep up the good work Valiant.
I can't express enough how much I'm looking forward to the return of bloodshot and xo manowar.
I got my ten dollars usa money all ready for this wendsday renagade title and I'm mailing in my coupons super fast express shipping. Keep up the good work Valiant.
I Miss the good old days.
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Re: January 2017 Sales Discussion
I wondered about how sales will stay with Harby, too. I wonder if they are looking to just market it as issue one of a new arc, as instead of just a regular issue 5?agent_graves wrote:209 Harbinger Renegade 3* $3.99 Valiant 8,228
215 Divinity III Stalinverse 2 $3.99 Valiant 7,848
218 Divinity III Aric 1 $3.99 Valiant 7,464
237 Faith 7 $3.99 Valiant 6,434
244 Bloodshot USA 4 $3.99 Valiant 6,138
249 Savage 3 $3.99 Valiant 5,860
250 Ninjak 23 $3.99 Valiant 5,850
294 Generation Zero 6 $3.99 Valiant 4,210
303 A&A 11 $3.99 Valiant 3,935
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I'm not sure how the five month gap between Harbinger Renegade (#4 & #5, if I'm not mistaken) is going to help that title grab new readership...
Divinity has now become a franchise player, something should always be in progress for him and his supporting cast...
Bloodshot #0 & then Bloodshot Salvation (New #1?) will give that title a boost...
Ninjak, thee, franchise player, who gets more burn than anybody across the board, needs a spark if the numbering is going to continue into the thirties. A new #1 can't be far off...
Faith is hanging in there, but the hype is dying down...
I honestly thought Savage would peek new reader interest...
Gen Zero couldn't find an audience...
It's a wrap for A & A...
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Re: January 2017 Sales Discussion
Gen Zero suffered from 1st issue negativity among the readers. The first issue didn't really have the team in it, and that just threw things off so much that the negative 'vibes' spread through the message board and other fan places. By the time we got to some really cool/deep character moments that made me want to see more of this team, they had already announced it was ending. I think the series could have grown on some people if it was given some more time.agent_graves wrote:Gen Zero couldn't find an audience...
Edit: Same problem as Shadowman really: not enough emotional connection with the person/team headlining the book. We got more emotionally connected to Keisha and her brother in this title than the main characters!
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Re: January 2017 Sales Discussion
Ultimately, all that will matter is whether the graphic novels read well. Individual issues that don't satisfy are only a problem for one month, after that, there are at least two months of the arc available... and the graphic novels containing the whole arc will be available forever.
Valiant has established its "first month" readership for the most part. These monthly numbers have looked about the same for 5+ years. What Valiant hasn't done is captured every person who will eventually be a Valiant fan... that's the job of the graphic novels and that's why they are never out of print.
Valiant has established its "first month" readership for the most part. These monthly numbers have looked about the same for 5+ years. What Valiant hasn't done is captured every person who will eventually be a Valiant fan... that's the job of the graphic novels and that's why they are never out of print.
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Re: January 2017 Sales Discussion
I think, aside from the X-O relaunch, the days of ongoings (12+ issues) might be over...
It's not only Valiant's problem, but that of most small publishers. Here's a year to year comparison:
JANUARY 2013
119 X-O Manowar 9 $3.99 Valiant 16,599
145 Shadowman 3 $3.99 Valiant 13,327
151 Harbinger 8 $3.99 Valiant 12,824
155 Archer & Armstrong 6 $3.99 Valiant 12,642
161 Bloodshot 7 $3.99 Valiant 11,918
JANUARY 2014
151 Unity 3* $3.99 Valiant 13,277
193 Eternal Warrior 5 $3.99 Valiant 9,503
194 X-O Manowar 21 $3.99 Valiant 9,336
199 Harbinger 20 $3.99 Valiant 9,060
204 Quantum & Woody 7 $3.99 Valiant 8,590
205 Bloodshot & Hard Corps 18 $3.99 Valiant 8,529
214 Archer & Armstrong 17 $3.99 Valiant 8,112
224 Shadowman 14 $3.99 Valiant 7,560
380 Must Read Valiant Greatest Hits 1 $2.00 Valiant 1,945
JANUARY 2015
137 Ivar: Timewalker #1 - 15784
167 The Valiant #2 - 11623
202 Rai #6 - 8301
222 X-O Manwar #32 - 7042
251 Quantum and Woody Must Die - 5771
254 Unity #14- 5722
280 Eternal Warrior: Days of Steel #3 - 4889
290 Q2 #4 - 4606
310 Dr. Mirage #5 - 3915
JANUARY 2016
102 Faith #1 - 22,019
169 Bloodshot Reborn #10 - 10,755
189 Wrath of the Eternal Warrior #3 - 8,383
191 Ninjak #11 - 8,373
215 X-O Manowar #43 - 6,696
232 Dr Mirage Second Lives #2 - 6,045
276 Imperium #12 - 4,734
JANUARY 2017
215 Divinity III Stalinverse 2 $3.99 Valiant 7,848
218 Divinity III Aric 1 $3.99 Valiant 7,464
237 Faith 7 $3.99 Valiant 6,434
244 Bloodshot USA 4 $3.99 Valiant 6,138
249 Savage 3 $3.99 Valiant 5,860
250 Ninjak 23 $3.99 Valiant 5,850
294 Generation Zero 6 $3.99 Valiant 4,210
303 A&A 11 $3.99 Valiant 3,935
It's not only Valiant's problem, but that of most small publishers. Here's a year to year comparison:
JANUARY 2013
119 X-O Manowar 9 $3.99 Valiant 16,599
145 Shadowman 3 $3.99 Valiant 13,327
151 Harbinger 8 $3.99 Valiant 12,824
155 Archer & Armstrong 6 $3.99 Valiant 12,642
161 Bloodshot 7 $3.99 Valiant 11,918
JANUARY 2014
151 Unity 3* $3.99 Valiant 13,277
193 Eternal Warrior 5 $3.99 Valiant 9,503
194 X-O Manowar 21 $3.99 Valiant 9,336
199 Harbinger 20 $3.99 Valiant 9,060
204 Quantum & Woody 7 $3.99 Valiant 8,590
205 Bloodshot & Hard Corps 18 $3.99 Valiant 8,529
214 Archer & Armstrong 17 $3.99 Valiant 8,112
224 Shadowman 14 $3.99 Valiant 7,560
380 Must Read Valiant Greatest Hits 1 $2.00 Valiant 1,945
JANUARY 2015
137 Ivar: Timewalker #1 - 15784
167 The Valiant #2 - 11623
202 Rai #6 - 8301
222 X-O Manwar #32 - 7042
251 Quantum and Woody Must Die - 5771
254 Unity #14- 5722
280 Eternal Warrior: Days of Steel #3 - 4889
290 Q2 #4 - 4606
310 Dr. Mirage #5 - 3915
JANUARY 2016
102 Faith #1 - 22,019
169 Bloodshot Reborn #10 - 10,755
189 Wrath of the Eternal Warrior #3 - 8,383
191 Ninjak #11 - 8,373
215 X-O Manowar #43 - 6,696
232 Dr Mirage Second Lives #2 - 6,045
276 Imperium #12 - 4,734
JANUARY 2017
215 Divinity III Stalinverse 2 $3.99 Valiant 7,848
218 Divinity III Aric 1 $3.99 Valiant 7,464
237 Faith 7 $3.99 Valiant 6,434
244 Bloodshot USA 4 $3.99 Valiant 6,138
249 Savage 3 $3.99 Valiant 5,860
250 Ninjak 23 $3.99 Valiant 5,850
294 Generation Zero 6 $3.99 Valiant 4,210
303 A&A 11 $3.99 Valiant 3,935