RANDOMLY HOT BOOK: Shadowman #13 (all copies)

DirtbagSailor · Post by **DirtbagSailor** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:31:54 pm

Check eBay sales.

This book just sort of took off.

magnus20009 · Post by **magnus20009** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:30:05 am

Not really random as the Punk Mambo series just came out. I figure she is likely the most important new VEI character, or at least the one with the most potential. Abram Adams is the only other character I think you could make an argument for. Savage was never really developed and Gingrr and Jamie Capshaw are a bit limited, same with Roku. Not even sure who else could be considered.

(Note I do not consider Livewire to be a new character).

kjjohanson · Post by **kjjohanson** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:36:37 am

I posted over in the 100 rarest thread, but the 0 issue is selling higher. The one I'm most surprised about is the B cover by Rian Hughes.

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kjjohanson · Post by **kjjohanson** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:41:50 am

One high result for Shaowman 16B (Punk mambo cover) as well.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:45:37 am

Is there something else going on with this character? Seems like a big jump just because of a new series that everybody knew was coming.

FormerReader · Post by **FormerReader** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:23:18 am

Yeah, I can’t really understand the interest in this character. I’m glad for everyone who is selling, but I see so many other great characters that could be getting more attention.

AnarchoMambo · Post by **AnarchoMambo** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:15:17 pm

Holy *SQUEE*, a Valiant book gets some heat and now we’re evaluating whether the increased general interest is really justified or actually misplaced? Punk Mambo 1st apps selling well is awesome in countless ways!

For now, please ignore the fact that my avatar betrays my fondness for this character, and realize that new VEI characters that receive their own title have gone over very well (Divinity, Britannia, Savage,) and indeterminately well (War Mother, Livewire, Forgotten Queen.)

Even those new characters that have made a big splash have not enjoyed sustained interest. And many of us here feel that this is perhaps mostly due to breaks in the publishing schedule (zero follow-up to the Savage mini, Matt Kindt going bye-bye from Divinity for now.)

Here’s to hoping that there will be a Shadowman-related title (SM, PM, Darques, Doc Mirage, etc) continuously running for the foreseeable future. Punk Mambo gathering general and collector’s attention will help the editors to realize that: a sustained push for each classic IP (rotation of minis & “ongoings” with lots of new #1s and the collectible 1:100, 1:250s) will be the best way to sustain and grow interest, and to eek out publishing profits, moving forward.

It’s also what we all want (except those of us who want a continuously numbered title from 1 to infinity, which is impossible since the market will not support it.) So go Punk Mambo, summon more Ebay sales!

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:42:46 pm

AnarchoMambo wrote:Holy *SQUEE*, a Valiant book gets some heat and now we’re evaluating whether the increased general interest is really justified or actually misplaced? Punk Mambo 1st apps selling well is awesome in countless ways!

I was just wondering if I had missed some kind of movie or TV announcement.

FormerReader · Post by **FormerReader** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:03:23 pm

depluto wrote:
AnarchoMambo wrote:Holy *SQUEE*, a Valiant book gets some heat and now we’re evaluating whether the increased general interest is really justified or actually misplaced? Punk Mambo 1st apps selling well is awesome in countless ways!
I was just wondering if I had missed some kind of movie or TV announcement.

I’m just not a big fan of the character.

That being said I happy for everyone who does like the character though.

jmatt · Post by **jmatt** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:55:28 pm

Maybe the character has a cameo in the Bloodshot movie. It'd be an odd choice, of all the cameos they could throw in but it might explain the pop.

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:30:00 pm

I think it gained traction because a couple of the spec You Tubers mentioned Punk Mambo #1 on their "This Week's Picks" shows.

kjjohanson · Post by **kjjohanson** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:25:26 pm

IMJ wrote:I think it gained traction because a couple of the spec You Tubers mentioned Punk Mambo #1 on their "This Week's Picks" shows.

That Brereton cover *is* really nice.

I would like to see a "Dark Valiant" ongoing, which could rotate arcs with Shadowman, Dr. Mirage, Punk Mambo, etc. They could number it like Marvel Legacy numbering, so you have a single ongoing but each arc basically has a number 1. Some Brereton interiors would be cool on that

sonicdan · Post by **sonicdan** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:25:10 pm

I sold both of these on the same day for the same price. Doesn't make much sense to me but I'll take it!

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:13:40 pm

Greg and I were just discussing this last week. Harada books are huge right now. I realized that I never picked up a 1st appearance CGC over the years of this book. How that's possible, I don't know.

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:23:54 pm

kjjohanson wrote:
IMJ wrote:I think it gained traction because a couple of the spec You Tubers mentioned Punk Mambo #1 on their "This Week's Picks" shows.
That Brereton cover *is* really nice.

I would like to see a "Dark Valiant" ongoing, which could rotate arcs with Shadowman, Dr. Mirage, Punk Mambo, etc. They could number it like Marvel Legacy numbering, so you have a single ongoing but each arc basically has a number 1. Some Brereton interiors would be cool on that

Valiant kinda already do that though... I mean, look at Bloodshot as the best example, up until Rising Spirit at least. Shadowman, Britannia and Ninjak have all done the same too though, as has XO. It's all been contiguous despite the varying subtitling.

'Dark Valiant' is a super cool moniker for the 'Shadowman corner' of the VU though

Juki · Post by **Juki** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:46:41 pm

Would the "Shadowman 13 X" cover that was sent with the Bleeding Cool Magazine #7 technically be the earliest 1st appearance of Punk Mambo?

I'm looking at Greg's Price Guide and it says that it was shipped out Nov. of 2013. This is A FULL MONTH earlier than Shadowman issue 13 covers A, pullbox,1:20. 1:50.

However, Greg's Price Guide does not credit "Shadowman 13 X" as having a Punk Mambo "First Appearance." While, 1st Appearance credit IS given to covers A, pullbox, 1:20, and 1:50.

What am I missing here? Does "Shadowman 13 X" contain the same interior pages as the issue 13 regular and Variants? Are they all the same comic? .... or is "Shadowman 13X" something different with a different story?

If Shadowman 13 X is the same comic as issue 13, and did come out a month prior, couldn't this be the comic to have long term? How many were printed? (I am assuming it would be the same print run as the Bleeding Cool magazine that it was shipped with). Are they rare?.... or did they print a lot?

....and one more question.... why is it called "13 X?" (I get that it may be issue 13... but why "X"?)

magnus20009 · Post by **magnus20009** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:48:16 am

Juki wrote:Would the "Shadowman 13 X" cover that was sent with the Bleeding Cool Magazine #7 technically be the earliest 1st appearance of Punk Mambo?

I'm looking at Greg's Price Guide and it says that it was shipped out Nov. of 2013. This is A FULL MONTH earlier than Shadowman issue 13 covers A, pullbox,1:20. 1:50.

However, Greg's Price Guide does not credit "Shadowman 13 X" as having a Punk Mambo "First Appearance." While, 1st Appearance credit IS given to covers A, pullbox, 1:20, and 1:50.

What am I missing here? Does "Shadowman 13 X" contain the same interior pages as the issue 13 regular and Variants? Are they all the same comic? .... or is "Shadowman 13X" something different with a different story?

If Shadowman 13 X is the same comic as issue 13, and did come out a month prior, couldn't this be the comic to have long term? How many were printed? (I am assuming it would be the same print run as the Bleeding Cool magazine that it was shipped with). Are they rare?.... or did they print a lot?

....and one more question.... why is it called "13 X?" (I get that it may be issue 13... but why "X"?)

13x is a completely different story and takes place between 12 and 13. Punk Mambo does not appear in the story. She first appears in issue 13.

Juki · Post by **Juki** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:15:43 am

magnus20009 wrote:
Juki wrote:Would the "Shadowman 13 X" cover that was sent with the Bleeding Cool Magazine #7 technically be the earliest 1st appearance of Punk Mambo?

I'm looking at Greg's Price Guide and it says that it was shipped out Nov. of 2013. This is A FULL MONTH earlier than Shadowman issue 13 covers A, pullbox,1:20. 1:50.

However, Greg's Price Guide does not credit "Shadowman 13 X" as having a Punk Mambo "First Appearance." While, 1st Appearance credit IS given to covers A, pullbox, 1:20, and 1:50.

What am I missing here? Does "Shadowman 13 X" contain the same interior pages as the issue 13 regular and Variants? Are they all the same comic? .... or is "Shadowman 13X" something different with a different story?

If Shadowman 13 X is the same comic as issue 13, and did come out a month prior, couldn't this be the comic to have long term? How many were printed? (I am assuming it would be the same print run as the Bleeding Cool magazine that it was shipped with). Are they rare?.... or did they print a lot?

....and one more question.... why is it called "13 X?" (I get that it may be issue 13... but why "X"?)
13x is a completely different story and takes place between 12 and 13. Punk Mambo does not appear in the story. She first appears in issue 13.

Ahhhh... O.K. I see.... Completely different story. So, this one has not been overlooked (no first appearance). It is kind of confusing with the "13 X." I guess it is more like issue #12 1/2.

13 X does have cool looking cover art though. I wonder who did it?

TheeBaldMoose · Post by **TheeBaldMoose** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:42:20 am

With this being only a mini series, could we see a just as fast flop as we do see a rise?

Joshua · Post by **Joshua** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:52:15 am

I keep an eye on a lot of FB speculation groups and a lot of people are starting to wake up to Valiant and quite a few were talking about Punk Mambo. The lower print run doesn't help much so it was just a matter of time before non-Valiant fans started (late) speccing these books. Not many regular covers are worth more than the price on the book so this is great.

Juki · Post by **Juki** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:21:48 pm

TheeBaldMoose wrote:With this being only a mini series, could we see a just as fast flop as we do see a rise?

That's what I was thinking as well (But, I hope not). Valiant needs good press to get other people interested.

In my eyes it all depends on what characters are actually steadily USED and DEVELOPED in the next 5 years of the Valiant Comics Universe\Movie Universe. Punk Mambo could be main character if she is used after the mini.... or she could be dust in the wind like Savage (hopefully this will change).

kinggirlfriend · Post by **kinggirlfriend** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:42:22 pm

Juki wrote:13 X does have cool looking cover art though. I wonder who did it?

Stephane Perger.

I had to look it up. I'm not familiar with him either but it is a really cool cover.

kjjohanson · Post by **kjjohanson** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:40:25 pm

Juki wrote:
magnus20009 wrote:
Juki wrote:Would the "Shadowman 13 X" cover that was sent with the Bleeding Cool Magazine #7 technically be the earliest 1st appearance of Punk Mambo?

I'm looking at Greg's Price Guide and it says that it was shipped out Nov. of 2013. This is A FULL MONTH earlier than Shadowman issue 13 covers A, pullbox,1:20. 1:50.

However, Greg's Price Guide does not credit "Shadowman 13 X" as having a Punk Mambo "First Appearance." While, 1st Appearance credit IS given to covers A, pullbox, 1:20, and 1:50.

What am I missing here? Does "Shadowman 13 X" contain the same interior pages as the issue 13 regular and Variants? Are they all the same comic? .... or is "Shadowman 13X" something different with a different story?

If Shadowman 13 X is the same comic as issue 13, and did come out a month prior, couldn't this be the comic to have long term? How many were printed? (I am assuming it would be the same print run as the Bleeding Cool magazine that it was shipped with). Are they rare?.... or did they print a lot?

....and one more question.... why is it called "13 X?" (I get that it may be issue 13... but why "X"?)
13x is a completely different story and takes place between 12 and 13. Punk Mambo does not appear in the story. She first appears in issue 13.

Ahhhh... O.K. I see.... Completely different story. So, this one has not been overlooked (no first appearance). It is kind of confusing with the "13 X." I guess it is more like issue #12 1/2.

13 X does have cool looking cover art though. I wonder who did it?

Yes, but some of those are selling to, probably because buyers don't know what they're buying

GammaJosh · Post by **GammaJosh** » Wed May 01, 2019 12:36:09 pm

Having set out on a quest to get caught up on the last two years of Valiant comics that piled up after I moved, it seems to me that Punk Mambo is one of the most consistently used characters in the universe. So I don't think we need to speculate on whether she'll be used or be left in the dust after her own mini-series. She's already been used a lot! I also have to give credit for her design being simple but memorable. And voodoo and punk imagery are just a visually interesting combination. Face it: Valiant created a new character that may not be a traditional super-hero but may have lasting appeal and significance.

grendeljd · Post by **grendeljd** » Thu May 02, 2019 9:53:36 pm

GammaJosh wrote:Having set out on a quest to get caught up on the last two years of Valiant comics that piled up after I moved, it seems to me that Punk Mambo is one of the most consistently used characters in the universe. So I don't think we need to speculate on whether she'll be used or be left in the dust after her own mini-series. She's already been used a lot! I also have to give credit for her design being simple but memorable. And voodoo and punk imagery are just a visually interesting combination. Face it: Valiant created a new character that may not be a traditional super-hero but may have lasting appeal and significance.

She certainly did make a lot of appearances in other characters books & mini-series since she first appeared up until now. I'm glad she is becoming popular, I enjoy the character more with every appearance she makes. I'm hoping this current mini-series adds something to her story that will have a lasting impression/effect moving forward.

I think she'd be a great character to add in to a future Valiant movie too, if we get any more beyond Bloodshot! Totally agree that there is plenty of good imagery to take advantage of with that punk/voodoo fusion.

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