Resurgence of the VALIANT Universe

[Dallow Spicer1]

"Fun" is my highest praise when I'm talking comics.

[buff-beardo]

Godspeed Alien Valiant.

[ManofTheAtom]

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[ManofTheAtom]

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[ManofTheAtom]

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[ManofTheAtom]

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[ManofTheAtom]

So, it sounds as if Resurgence may be a reboot ("Doctor Silk [...] gains the means to reshape the very fabric of the Valiant Universe itself, unleashing a threat of unprecedented magnitude"), but what kind of reboot will it be?

[ManofTheAtom]

It would be funny if the means that allow Silk to reshape the very fabric of the VALIANT Universe was a fusion reactor, lol...

[Chiclo]

It would be funny if the means that allow Silk to reshape the very fabric of the VALIANT Universe was a fusion reactor, lol...

Or a wish granting machine. Like the Cosmic Cubes!

[ManofTheAtom]

It would be funny if the means that allow Silk to reshape the very fabric of the VALIANT Universe was a fusion reactor, lol...

Or a wish granting machine. Like the Cosmic Cubes!

Well, Phil's reactor was a wish granting machine. So it was his version of a cube.

[ManofTheAtom]

For me, the ideal "reboot" is one that integrates all three iterations of the VALIANT Universe into one, with priority given to the VEI iteration because it is the most recent.

In such a scenario, for instance, Archer's parents would be preachers that abuse children who murder Obadiah after he discovers their secret as portrayed in the VH 1 version but they would also be leaders of the Dominion that is a part of the Sect as portrayed in the VEI version.

Likewise, Bloodshot would be mobster Angelo Mortalli who the Mafia family he testifies against sells off to Project Rising Spirit (a Japanese company owned by Iwatsu, a man obsessed with immortality) as depicted in the VH 1 version, but he would also be Raymond Garrison, an undercover government operative who infiltrated the Mafia as depicted in the VH 2 version.

Things of that nature.

[ManofTheAtom]

It seems from the solicits that the event involving Dr. Silk takes place in the present-day comics.

Here are the questions;

Will the outcome of the event affect the future-set comics like Rai? If so, how?

Has the event already taken place from Rai's perspective, or do the present and future exist simultaneously and concurrent with each other?

Is time absolute?

[Burrito Boy]

For me, the ideal "reboot" is one that integrates all three iterations of the VALIANT Universe into one, with priority given to the VEI iteration because it is the most recent.

In such a scenario, for instance, Archer's parents would be preachers that abuse children who murder Obadiah after he discovers their secret as portrayed in the VH 1 version but they would also be leaders of the Dominion that is a part of the Sect as portrayed in the VEI version.

Likewise, Bloodshot would be mobster Angelo Mortalli who the Mafia family he testifies against sells off to Project Rising Spirit (a Japanese company owned by Iwatsu, a man obsessed with immortality) as depicted in the VH 1 version, but he would also be Raymond Garrison, an undercover government operative who infiltrated the Mafia as depicted in the VH 2 version.

Things of that nature.

How would you explain Bloodshot being both Angelo Mortalli and Raymond Garrison? Split personality or something else?

[Chiclo]

What was it they said about Akklaim? A distant fart at midnight?

[ManofTheAtom]

For me, the ideal "reboot" is one that integrates all three iterations of the VALIANT Universe into one, with priority given to the VEI iteration because it is the most recent.

In such a scenario, for instance, Archer's parents would be preachers that abuse children who murder Obadiah after he discovers their secret as portrayed in the VH 1 version but they would also be leaders of the Dominion that is a part of the Sect as portrayed in the VEI version.

Likewise, Bloodshot would be mobster Angelo Mortalli who the Mafia family he testifies against sells off to Project Rising Spirit (a Japanese company owned by Iwatsu, a man obsessed with immortality) as depicted in the VH 1 version, but he would also be Raymond Garrison, an undercover government operative who infiltrated the Mafia as depicted in the VH 2 version.

Things of that nature.

How would you explain Bloodshot being both Angelo Mortalli and Raymond Garrison? Split personality or something else?

Think Wiseguy. As depicted in VH 2 Bloodshot, Raymond Garrison would infiltrate the mob using the identity of Angelo Mortalli. Then, as depicted in Bloodshot #0, he would testify against the crime families, be captured, and sold off to the Iwatsu corporation to be experimented on as part of Project Rising Spirit.

Just ignore the DOA and Project Lazarus from VH 2 and restore Iwatsu and Rising Spirit.

[ManofTheAtom]

What was it they said about Akklaim? A distant fart at midnight?

I don't recall that, heh.

[Burrito Boy]

For me, the ideal "reboot" is one that integrates all three iterations of the VALIANT Universe into one, with priority given to the VEI iteration because it is the most recent.

In such a scenario, for instance, Archer's parents would be preachers that abuse children who murder Obadiah after he discovers their secret as portrayed in the VH 1 version but they would also be leaders of the Dominion that is a part of the Sect as portrayed in the VEI version.

Likewise, Bloodshot would be mobster Angelo Mortalli who the Mafia family he testifies against sells off to Project Rising Spirit (a Japanese company owned by Iwatsu, a man obsessed with immortality) as depicted in the VH 1 version, but he would also be Raymond Garrison, an undercover government operative who infiltrated the Mafia as depicted in the VH 2 version.

Things of that nature.

How would you explain Bloodshot being both Angelo Mortalli and Raymond Garrison? Split personality or something else?

Think Wiseguy. As depicted in VH 2 Bloodshot, Raymond Garrison would infiltrate the mob using the identity of Angelo Mortalli. Then, as depicted in Bloodshot #0, he would testify against the crime families, be captured, and sold off to the Iwatsu corporation to be experimented on as part of Project Rising Spirit.

Just ignore the DOA and Project Lazarus from VH 2 and restore Iwatsu and Rising Spirit.

Nice. Let's go with it. I expect a script for the first issue on my desk by next Monday.

[ManofTheAtom]

For me, the ideal "reboot" is one that integrates all three iterations of the VALIANT Universe into one, with priority given to the VEI iteration because it is the most recent.

In such a scenario, for instance, Archer's parents would be preachers that abuse children who murder Obadiah after he discovers their secret as portrayed in the VH 1 version but they would also be leaders of the Dominion that is a part of the Sect as portrayed in the VEI version.

Likewise, Bloodshot would be mobster Angelo Mortalli who the Mafia family he testifies against sells off to Project Rising Spirit (a Japanese company owned by Iwatsu, a man obsessed with immortality) as depicted in the VH 1 version, but he would also be Raymond Garrison, an undercover government operative who infiltrated the Mafia as depicted in the VH 2 version.

Things of that nature.

How would you explain Bloodshot being both Angelo Mortalli and Raymond Garrison? Split personality or something else?

Think Wiseguy. As depicted in VH 2 Bloodshot, Raymond Garrison would infiltrate the mob using the identity of Angelo Mortalli. Then, as depicted in Bloodshot #0, he would testify against the crime families, be captured, and sold off to the Iwatsu corporation to be experimented on as part of Project Rising Spirit.

Just ignore the DOA and Project Lazarus from VH 2 and restore Iwatsu and Rising Spirit.

Nice. Let's go with it. I expect a script for the first issue on my desk by next Monday.

[BugsySig]

We’re a few books in and this is how I’d rank them this far:

1. Faith Returns: Most tightly written and consistent in art and characterization thus far
2. Rai: Book of the Darque: Interesting stuff with the Howling War
3. Brittania: Great Fire of Rome: Not the best offering of Brittania, but the Immortal Bros cameos were fun.
4. Livewire & Secret Weapons: the Livewire stuff was weird and Roku’s role was odd. Liked the stuff with the original SW characters.
5. Bloodshot Reloaded Unleashed: Meh 1st issue, decent 2nd, meh 3rd.
6. The Valiants: First half pretty solid, second half rushed and confusing.
7. XO Invictus: Not a good comic
8. Punk Mambo: Punk Witch Project: Couldn’t get through it. Gave up a few pages in and skimmed the rest. Garbage stuff.

So what I’m getting is what I predicted. They’re wrapping up the previous continuity and story lines to appease/appeal to the readers before rebooting the universe. Only makes sense at this point after DMG ran everything into the ground. Alien has brought in some decent writers so far (specifically on those top 3) so hopefully some will continue and put a new spin on the characters post-Resurgence with a fresh slate to work from.

But given the product thus far, I’m not expecting much from the remaining Resurgence slate and beyond.

[Dallow Spicer1]

1. Faith Returns: Didn’t read
2. Rai: Book of the Darque: Very good
3. Brittania: Great Fire of Rome:Very good
4. Livewire & Secret Weapons: Mediocre
5. Bloodshot Reloaded Unleashed: Nope
6. The Valiants: Ok first issue, hope it improves
7. XO Invictus: Decent, worth reading
8. Punk Mambo: Didn’t read

The good:
- Return to continuity
- Better than DMG
- Paper stock
- Good intentions

The not so good:
- Whoever is making decisions on hiring talent and which characters to release books on doesn’t understand what the fans are after. It’s too hit and miss.
- Why are fans asked to pay $13.99 for one shots by creators we’ve never heard of about B level characters (Livewire & the secret weapons)?
- $4.99 books.
- manga style art on the faces make the characters look generic

Going forwards I’d like to see $13.99 one shots only if there’s a top creator on an A level character. I doubt there’s money for A level creators so let’s give fans a chance to see if they like issue #1 at a standard price rather than having to commit to $13.99.
Reduce the price for individual issues to $3.99 and reduce the paper stock quality. For example, Void Rivals (image) is perfectly acceptable paper quality.
Most importantly, change whoever is making creative decisions. Ninjak was terrible, Bloodshot poor, Livewire is a supporting character not worth an expensive one shot, Punk Mambo is a supporting character not worth a one shot and is there still a market for Faith?

It’s not all doom and gloom but more consistency needed.

[ManofTheAtom]

1. Faith Returns: Didn’t read
2. Rai: Book of the Darque: Very good
3. Brittania: Great Fire of Rome:Very good
4. Livewire & Secret Weapons: Mediocre
5. Bloodshot Reloaded Unleashed: Nope
6. The Valiants: Ok first issue, hope it improves
7. XO Invictus: Decent, worth reading
8. Punk Mambo: Didn’t read

The good:
- Return to continuity
- Better than DMG
- Paper stock
- Good intentions

The not so good:
- Whoever is making decisions on hiring talent and which characters to release books on doesn’t understand what the fans are after. It’s too hit and miss.
- Why are fans asked to pay $13.99 for one shots by creators we’ve never heard of about B level characters (Livewire & the secret weapons)?
- $4.99 books.
- manga style art on the faces make the characters look generic

Going forwards I’d like to see $13.99 one shots only if there’s a top creator on an A level character. I doubt there’s money for A level creators so let’s give fans a chance to see if they like issue #1 at a standard price rather than having to commit to $13.99.
Reduce the price for individual issues to $3.99 and reduce the paper stock quality. For example, Void Rivals (image) is perfectly acceptable paper quality.
Most importantly, change whoever is making creative decisions. Ninjak was terrible, Bloodshot poor, Livewire is a supporting character not worth an expensive one shot, Punk Mambo is a supporting character not worth a one shot and is there still a market for Faith?

It’s not all doom and gloom but more consistency needed.

Steven Grant has been doing comics for decades. He's hardly someone no one has never heard of.

[Dallow Spicer1]

1. Faith Returns: Didn’t read
2. Rai: Book of the Darque: Very good
3. Brittania: Great Fire of Rome:Very good
4. Livewire & Secret Weapons: Mediocre
5. Bloodshot Reloaded Unleashed: Nope
6. The Valiants: Ok first issue, hope it improves
7. XO Invictus: Decent, worth reading
8. Punk Mambo: Didn’t read

The good:
- Return to continuity
- Better than DMG
- Paper stock
- Good intentions

The not so good:
- Whoever is making decisions on hiring talent and which characters to release books on doesn’t understand what the fans are after. It’s too hit and miss.
- Why are fans asked to pay $13.99 for one shots by creators we’ve never heard of about B level characters (Livewire & the secret weapons)?
- $4.99 books.
- manga style art on the faces make the characters look generic

Going forwards I’d like to see $13.99 one shots only if there’s a top creator on an A level character. I doubt there’s money for A level creators so let’s give fans a chance to see if they like issue #1 at a standard price rather than having to commit to $13.99.
Reduce the price for individual issues to $3.99 and reduce the paper stock quality. For example, Void Rivals (image) is perfectly acceptable paper quality.
Most importantly, change whoever is making creative decisions. Ninjak was terrible, Bloodshot poor, Livewire is a supporting character not worth an expensive one shot, Punk Mambo is a supporting character not worth a one shot and is there still a market for Faith?

It’s not all doom and gloom but more consistency needed.

Steven Grant has been doing comics for decades. He's hardly someone no one has never heard of.

Is he well known enough to splash $13.99 down on? If you read Livewire and the Secret Weapons then was is worth the money?

[ManofTheAtom]

1. Faith Returns: Didn’t read
2. Rai: Book of the Darque: Very good
3. Brittania: Great Fire of Rome:Very good
4. Livewire & Secret Weapons: Mediocre
5. Bloodshot Reloaded Unleashed: Nope
6. The Valiants: Ok first issue, hope it improves
7. XO Invictus: Decent, worth reading
8. Punk Mambo: Didn’t read

The good:
- Return to continuity
- Better than DMG
- Paper stock
- Good intentions

The not so good:
- Whoever is making decisions on hiring talent and which characters to release books on doesn’t understand what the fans are after. It’s too hit and miss.
- Why are fans asked to pay $13.99 for one shots by creators we’ve never heard of about B level characters (Livewire & the secret weapons)?
- $4.99 books.
- manga style art on the faces make the characters look generic

Going forwards I’d like to see $13.99 one shots only if there’s a top creator on an A level character. I doubt there’s money for A level creators so let’s give fans a chance to see if they like issue #1 at a standard price rather than having to commit to $13.99.
Reduce the price for individual issues to $3.99 and reduce the paper stock quality. For example, Void Rivals (image) is perfectly acceptable paper quality.
Most importantly, change whoever is making creative decisions. Ninjak was terrible, Bloodshot poor, Livewire is a supporting character not worth an expensive one shot, Punk Mambo is a supporting character not worth a one shot and is there still a market for Faith?

It’s not all doom and gloom but more consistency needed.

Steven Grant has been doing comics for decades. He's hardly someone no one has never heard of.

Is he well known enough to splash $13.99 down on? If you read Livewire and the Secret Weapons then was is worth the money?

The cost is high, no doubt. I do wish Alien's comics were more affordable.

I haven't read it, unfortunately. Haven't had the time or means to get back into comics lately, other than working on making my own.

[Ryan]

The cost is high, no doubt. I do wish Alien's comics were more affordable.

I haven't read it, unfortunately. Haven't had the time or means to get back into comics lately, other than working on making my own.

So you've been the top cheerleader and defender of all things Alien/Valiant on this forum, and yet you have no intention of ever buying or reading the books yourself. That seems deceptive somehow

[ManofTheAtom]

The cost is high, no doubt. I do wish Alien's comics were more affordable.

I haven't read it, unfortunately. Haven't had the time or means to get back into comics lately, other than working on making my own.

So you've been the top cheerleader and defender of all things Alien/Valiant on this forum, and yet you have no intention of ever buying or reading the books yourself. That seems deceptive somehow

Intention, absolutely. Means, not at present.