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[ManofTheAtom]

Just so I got this right, you're saying is that Alien is completely independent from DMG, merely a licensee-licensor relationship, correct? No one from DMG has any say in any decisions regarding the comic books?

That's right. Several Alien employees have said this on Discord. DMG has no oversight and doesn't give a *SQUEE* about comics anymore. There may be a couple of the same faces, but it's a different company now, with a different vision. This is honestly obvious to anyone that's paying attention. There's been a big shift in the books' style and tone, as well as a renewed focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

I'm gonna try and argue that everything Alien has published has been amazing, but I'm not quite sure why you're barking up this tree.

Cool.

[ManofTheAtom]

If you want a name, I could not give it to you. Obviously it would not have been anyone at Alien, which is what matters.

Ok if you don't know that, how can you be so sure that you know who is making the big decisions now?

Just so I got this right, you're saying is that Alien is completely independent from DMG, merely a licensee-licensor relationship, correct? No one from DMG has any say in any decisions regarding the comic books?

Not what I said in the least.

What I did say is that (to use your words) "Alien is completely independent from DMG, merely a licensee-licensor relationship", and my words "no one from ALIEN had ANYTHING to do with the KICKSTARTER, which is what people here *SQUEE* about for MONTHS before Alien released a SINGLE comic book. No one was *SQUEE* about anything that had to do with creative or editorial decisions in the comic published by DMG. They were harassing Alien's representatives over DMG's failure to fulfill a Kickstarter campaign".

K, but you're the only one bringing the kickstarter back up. The kickstarter was resolved many months ago. The books came out, just late. Then Alien actually published the same book as one of their first Valiant books. Odd behavior for a completely independent licensee, but there you go.

I brought if up because you accused me of shilling for Alien. I wasn't shilling, I was trying to get people to stop attacking them over DMG *SQUEE* up fulfillment of the Kickstarter.

When I pointed out that they are two separate companies, you and that fool I blocked argued against it. And are still arguing against it.

[Ryan]

Just so I got this right, you're saying is that Alien is completely independent from DMG, merely a licensee-licensor relationship, correct? No one from DMG has any say in any decisions regarding the comic books?

That's right. Several Alien employees have said this on Discord. DMG has no oversight and doesn't give a *SQUEE* about comics anymore. There may be a couple of the same faces, but it's a different company now, with a different vision. This is honestly obvious to anyone that's paying attention. There's been a big shift in the books' style and tone, as well as a renewed focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

I'm gonna try and argue that everything Alien has published has been amazing, but I'm not quite sure why you're barking up this tree.

A couple of the same faces = Senior Editor becoming the Editor-in-Chief. Got it.

I have read some of the books. Very similar to me. Yes, more connectivity but less polished art and similar in many ways to DMG era books imo.

Not relevant to Alien and DMG being separate companies and Alien having no liability for DMG screwing up fulfilling the Kickstarter, which is what people here attacked Alien for.

No one is arguing that here.

[ManofTheAtom]

Just so I got this right, you're saying is that Alien is completely independent from DMG, merely a licensee-licensor relationship, correct? No one from DMG has any say in any decisions regarding the comic books?

That's right. Several Alien employees have said this on Discord. DMG has no oversight and doesn't give a *SQUEE* about comics anymore. There may be a couple of the same faces, but it's a different company now, with a different vision. This is honestly obvious to anyone that's paying attention. There's been a big shift in the books' style and tone, as well as a renewed focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

I'm gonna try and argue that everything Alien has published has been amazing, but I'm not quite sure why you're barking up this tree.

A couple of the same faces = Senior Editor becoming the Editor-in-Chief. Got it.

I have read some of the books. Very similar to me. Yes, more connectivity but less polished art and similar in many ways to DMG era books imo.

Imagine Dinesh had succeeded in getting Shooter to oversee the reboot/relaunch, and the comics had retained the same style as the original VALIANT comics.

That would not have meant that VEI and Voyager Communications are the same company or that VEI is liable for whatever *SQUEE* ups Voyager made.

[ManofTheAtom]

Just so I got this right, you're saying is that Alien is completely independent from DMG, merely a licensee-licensor relationship, correct? No one from DMG has any say in any decisions regarding the comic books?

That's right. Several Alien employees have said this on Discord. DMG has no oversight and doesn't give a *SQUEE* about comics anymore. There may be a couple of the same faces, but it's a different company now, with a different vision. This is honestly obvious to anyone that's paying attention. There's been a big shift in the books' style and tone, as well as a renewed focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

I'm gonna try and argue that everything Alien has published has been amazing, but I'm not quite sure why you're barking up this tree.

A couple of the same faces = Senior Editor becoming the Editor-in-Chief. Got it.

I have read some of the books. Very similar to me. Yes, more connectivity but less polished art and similar in many ways to DMG era books imo.

Not relevant to Alien and DMG being separate companies and Alien having no liability for DMG screwing up fulfilling the Kickstarter, which is what people here attacked Alien for.

No one is arguing that here.

You still are. You refuse to accept it, which is why you keep bringing it up rather than concede that you were wrong so the conversation can move on to discussing the actual content of the comics.

[Ryan]

Just so I got this right, you're saying is that Alien is completely independent from DMG, merely a licensee-licensor relationship, correct? No one from DMG has any say in any decisions regarding the comic books?

That's right. Several Alien employees have said this on Discord. DMG has no oversight and doesn't give a *SQUEE* about comics anymore. There may be a couple of the same faces, but it's a different company now, with a different vision. This is honestly obvious to anyone that's paying attention. There's been a big shift in the books' style and tone, as well as a renewed focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

I'm gonna try and argue that everything Alien has published has been amazing, but I'm not quite sure why you're barking up this tree.

A couple of the same faces = Senior Editor becoming the Editor-in-Chief. Got it.

I have read some of the books. Very similar to me. Yes, more connectivity but less polished art and similar in many ways to DMG era books imo.

Not relevant to Alien and DMG being separate companies and Alien having no liability for DMG screwing up fulfilling the Kickstarter, which is what people here attacked Alien for.

No one is arguing that here.

You still are. You refuse to accept it, which is why you keep bringing it up rather than concede that you were wrong so the conversation can move on to discussing the actual content of the comics.

So now you get to tell everyone else what they're arguing position is for them? Got it man. Asinine is the only word I got. I can't imagine why people don't hire you for jobs. Go ahead and discuss the actual content of the comics you've never read. I'll be leaving this thread, got work to do

[ManofTheAtom]

That's right. Several Alien employees have said this on Discord. DMG has no oversight and doesn't give a *SQUEE* about comics anymore. There may be a couple of the same faces, but it's a different company now, with a different vision. This is honestly obvious to anyone that's paying attention. There's been a big shift in the books' style and tone, as well as a renewed focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

I'm gonna try and argue that everything Alien has published has been amazing, but I'm not quite sure why you're barking up this tree.

A couple of the same faces = Senior Editor becoming the Editor-in-Chief. Got it.

I have read some of the books. Very similar to me. Yes, more connectivity but less polished art and similar in many ways to DMG era books imo.

Not relevant to Alien and DMG being separate companies and Alien having no liability for DMG screwing up fulfilling the Kickstarter, which is what people here attacked Alien for.

No one is arguing that here.

You still are. You refuse to accept it, which is why you keep bringing it up rather than concede that you were wrong so the conversation can move on to discussing the actual content of the comics.

So now you get to tell everyone else what they're arguing position is for them? Got it man. Asinine is the only word I got. I can't imagine why people don't hire you for jobs. Go ahead and discuss the actual content of the comics you've never read. I'll be leaving this thread, got work to do

You're the one that continues to conflate Alien hiring the same editor that worked at DMG with Alien and DMG being the same company and, therefore, making Alien responsible for DMG failing to fulfill a Kickstarter.

I, on the other hand, have been arguing the opposite. If you AGREED then you wouldn't keep arguing with me. Since you are, that means you don't...

[Chiclo]

Just so I got this right, you're saying is that Alien is completely independent from DMG, merely a licensee-licensor relationship, correct? No one from DMG has any say in any decisions regarding the comic books?

That's right. Several Alien employees have said this on Discord. DMG has no oversight and doesn't give a *SQUEE* about comics anymore. There may be a couple of the same faces, but it's a different company now, with a different vision. This is honestly obvious to anyone that's paying attention. There's been a big shift in the books' style and tone, as well as a renewed focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

I'm gonna try and argue that everything Alien has published has been amazing, but I'm not quite sure why you're barking up this tree.

A couple of the same faces = Senior Editor becoming the Editor-in-Chief. Got it.

I have read some of the books. Very similar to me. Yes, more connectivity but less polished art and similar in many ways to DMG era books imo.

Imagine Dinesh had succeeded in getting Shooter to oversee the reboot/relaunch, and the comics had retained the same style as the original VALIANT comics.

That would not have meant that VEI and Voyager Communications are the same company or that VEI is liable for whatever *SQUEE* ups Voyager made.

You manage to even work hypothetical scenarios where Shooter still runs Valiant into this argument?

What mistake did Voyager make with Shooter at the helm that VEI could have inherited? Trusting Bo Blayton? There was a whole lot of history separating those two times contrasted against the very direct succession of DMG to Alien featuring many of the same people. Your analogy doesn’t work.

[ManofTheAtom]

Just so I got this right, you're saying is that Alien is completely independent from DMG, merely a licensee-licensor relationship, correct? No one from DMG has any say in any decisions regarding the comic books?

That's right. Several Alien employees have said this on Discord. DMG has no oversight and doesn't give a *SQUEE* about comics anymore. There may be a couple of the same faces, but it's a different company now, with a different vision. This is honestly obvious to anyone that's paying attention. There's been a big shift in the books' style and tone, as well as a renewed focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

I'm gonna try and argue that everything Alien has published has been amazing, but I'm not quite sure why you're barking up this tree.

A couple of the same faces = Senior Editor becoming the Editor-in-Chief. Got it.

I have read some of the books. Very similar to me. Yes, more connectivity but less polished art and similar in many ways to DMG era books imo.

Imagine Dinesh had succeeded in getting Shooter to oversee the reboot/relaunch, and the comics had retained the same style as the original VALIANT comics.

That would not have meant that VEI and Voyager Communications are the same company or that VEI is liable for whatever *SQUEE* ups Voyager made.

You manage to even work hypothetical scenarios where Shooter still runs Valiant into this argument?

What mistake did Voyager make with Shooter at the helm that VEI could have inherited? Trusting Bo Blayton? There was a whole lot of history separating those two times than the very direct succession of DMG to Alien featuring many of the same people. Your analogy doesn’t work.

I purposely didn't point out any specific examples of any screw ups Voyager may have committed, leaving it up to you all to come up with your own based on what you know about the company at the time.

Hawkins working at Alien after working at DMG does not make Alien responsible for DMG screwing up the Kickstarter or make Alien and DMG the same companies anymore than Shooter working at Voyager/VALIANT made VALIANT responsible for Marvel refusing to return Jack Kirby's artwork or make Voyager and Marvel the same companies.

[Chiclo]

Just so I got this right, you're saying is that Alien is completely independent from DMG, merely a licensee-licensor relationship, correct? No one from DMG has any say in any decisions regarding the comic books?

That's right. Several Alien employees have said this on Discord. DMG has no oversight and doesn't give a *SQUEE* about comics anymore. There may be a couple of the same faces, but it's a different company now, with a different vision. This is honestly obvious to anyone that's paying attention. There's been a big shift in the books' style and tone, as well as a renewed focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

I'm gonna try and argue that everything Alien has published has been amazing, but I'm not quite sure why you're barking up this tree.

A couple of the same faces = Senior Editor becoming the Editor-in-Chief. Got it.

I have read some of the books. Very similar to me. Yes, more connectivity but less polished art and similar in many ways to DMG era books imo.

Imagine Dinesh had succeeded in getting Shooter to oversee the reboot/relaunch, and the comics had retained the same style as the original VALIANT comics.

That would not have meant that VEI and Voyager Communications are the same company or that VEI is liable for whatever *SQUEE* ups Voyager made.

You manage to even work hypothetical scenarios where Shooter still runs Valiant into this argument?

What mistake did Voyager make with Shooter at the helm that VEI could have inherited? Trusting Bo Blayton? There was a whole lot of history separating those two times than the very direct succession of DMG to Alien featuring many of the same people. Your analogy doesn’t work.

I purposely didn't point out any specific examples of any screw ups Voyager may have committed, leaving it up to you all to come up with your own based on what you know about the company at the time.

Hawkins working at Alien after working at DMG does not make Alien responsible for DMG screwing up the Kickstarter or make Alien and DMG the same companies anymore than Shooter working at Voyager/VALIANT made VALIANT responsible for Marvel refusing to return Jack Kirby's artwork or make Voyager and Marvel the same companies.

Wait, wait, if Valiant is responsible for Marvel’s foibles, then Marvel characters like Iron Man ARE real in the Valiant universe?

[ManofTheAtom]

That's right. Several Alien employees have said this on Discord. DMG has no oversight and doesn't give a *SQUEE* about comics anymore. There may be a couple of the same faces, but it's a different company now, with a different vision. This is honestly obvious to anyone that's paying attention. There's been a big shift in the books' style and tone, as well as a renewed focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

I'm gonna try and argue that everything Alien has published has been amazing, but I'm not quite sure why you're barking up this tree.

A couple of the same faces = Senior Editor becoming the Editor-in-Chief. Got it.

I have read some of the books. Very similar to me. Yes, more connectivity but less polished art and similar in many ways to DMG era books imo.

Imagine Dinesh had succeeded in getting Shooter to oversee the reboot/relaunch, and the comics had retained the same style as the original VALIANT comics.

That would not have meant that VEI and Voyager Communications are the same company or that VEI is liable for whatever *SQUEE* ups Voyager made.

You manage to even work hypothetical scenarios where Shooter still runs Valiant into this argument?

What mistake did Voyager make with Shooter at the helm that VEI could have inherited? Trusting Bo Blayton? There was a whole lot of history separating those two times than the very direct succession of DMG to Alien featuring many of the same people. Your analogy doesn’t work.

I purposely didn't point out any specific examples of any screw ups Voyager may have committed, leaving it up to you all to come up with your own based on what you know about the company at the time.

Hawkins working at Alien after working at DMG does not make Alien responsible for DMG screwing up the Kickstarter or make Alien and DMG the same companies anymore than Shooter working at Voyager/VALIANT made VALIANT responsible for Marvel refusing to return Jack Kirby's artwork or make Voyager and Marvel the same companies.

Wait, wait, if Valiant is responsible for Marvel’s foibles, then Marvel characters like Iron Man ARE real in the Valiant universe?

I know that's not what I said, so the problem must be your reading comprehension...

Hawkins working at Alien after working at DMG does not make Alien responsible for DMG screwing up the Kickstarter or make Alien and DMG the same companies anymore than Shooter working at Voyager/VALIANT made VALIANT responsible for Marvel refusing to return Jack Kirby's artwork or make Voyager and Marvel the same companies.

[ManofTheAtom]

What has ultimately been gained from this derailment?

It started with Ryan accusing me of shilling for Alien, which I wasn't, and him and that fool I blocked denying that Alien and DMG are two different companies.

What has the continued vitriol coming from them gained anyone here?

Exactly what is so difficult to comprehend about Alien and DMG being different companies that hired the same person to oversee their comic book line?

From everything Ryan and that fool have said, it's obvious that if Alien had hired someone other than Hawkins and rebooted their comics they would have never argued that the two companies are the same. So, given that clear flaw in their position, why do they insist in making it?

[TheFerg714]

A couple of the same faces = Senior Editor becoming the Editor-in-Chief. Got it.

I have read some of the books. Very similar to me. Yes, more connectivity but less polished art and similar in many ways to DMG era books imo.

Welp... I did not realize the sh!tshow I was stepping into here. I just read through several pages of you guys arguing about this yesterday.

What you said about this simply being DMG 2.0 makes logical sense tbh. I mean it's still technically owned by DMG.

Bottom line, you can call it whatever you want: DMG has given up on caring about comics and licensed Valiant out to another publisher. Leadership is different, creative talent is different, overall style and tone are different, and as you suggested in one of your comments, there seems to be more of a focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

[ManofTheAtom]

Just so I got this right, you're saying is that Alien is completely independent from DMG, merely a licensee-licensor relationship, correct? No one from DMG has any say in any decisions regarding the comic books?

That's right. Several Alien employees have said this on Discord. DMG has no oversight and doesn't give a *SQUEE* about comics anymore. There may be a couple of the same faces, but it's a different company now, with a different vision. This is honestly obvious to anyone that's paying attention. There's been a big shift in the books' style and tone, as well as a renewed focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

I'm gonna try and argue that everything Alien has published has been amazing, but I'm not quite sure why you're barking up this tree.

A couple of the same faces = Senior Editor becoming the Editor-in-Chief. Got it.

I have read some of the books. Very similar to me. Yes, more connectivity but less polished art and similar in many ways to DMG era books imo.

Welp... I did not realize the sh!tshow I was stepping into here. I just read through several pages of you guys arguing about this yesterday.

What you said about this simply being DMG 2.0 makes logical sense tbh. I mean it's still technically owned by DMG.

Bottom line, you can call it whatever you want: DMG has given up on caring about comics, leadership is different, creative talent is different, overall style and tone are different, and as you suggested in one of your comments, there seems to be more of a focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

In terms of content, Alien is continuing from where DMG left off. That doesn't mean they are the same company or that Alien is liable for DMG screwing up fulfillment of the Kickstarter -- and, yet, others continue to argue that they are and that it does..

[Ryan]

What you said about this simply being DMG 2.0 makes logical sense tbh. I mean it's still technically owned by DMG.

Bottom line, you can call it whatever you want: DMG has given up on caring about comics and licensed Valiant out to another publisher. Leadership is different, creative talent is different, overall style and tone are different, and as you suggested in one of your comments, there seems to be more of a focus on continuity and interconnectivity.

That's the heart of the matter right there, isn't it? Has the leadership actually changed? The owner is the same. The EiC is the same. Who other than the owner and the EiC make the big decisions about the comics? DMG and Valiant are not big companies.

Honestly, I really don't care though. It's about the comics. I was just pushing back against people on this board who make up fantasy narratives out of whole cloth and then can't have adult discussions that involve logic and common sense.

If you're happy with the level of Alien's quality, that's great. I'm not seeing how this pedestrian level of books will bring in many new readers though. Valiant needs to have some unique or superior qualities to succeed, not barely reaching average.

[TheFerg714]

That's the heart of the matter right there, isn't it? Has the leadership actually changed? The owner is the same. The EiC is the same. Who other than the owner and the EiC make the big decisions about the comics? DMG and Valiant are not big companies.

Well Matias Timarchi is the new director, and Martin Casanova is a new editor. Also, according to Alien employees, the higher-ups over at DMG have no say in Alien's comics, so that's a big change. Lysa Hawkins is still there, but things have changed.

If you're happy with the level of Alien's quality, that's great. I'm not seeing how this pedestrian level of books will bring in many new readers though. Valiant needs to be groundbreaking to succeed, not barely reaching average.

Well I think you're being really harsh, and I don't think they're doing nearly as bad as you're acting like they're doing, but I overall agree with this point. VEI got people's attention by publishing very high quality books, and I worry that Alien won't be able to meet those standards for most people.

[Ryan]

Well Matias Timarchi is the new director, and Martin Casanova is a new editor. Also, according to Alien employees, the higher-ups over at DMG have no say in Alien's comics, so that's a big change. Lysa Hawkins is still there, but things have changed.

Fair enough. For me just the fact that the main editor is still the same tells me the changes weren't as much as I was hoping for. But yes, there are differences.

Well I think you're being really harsh, and I don't think they're doing nearly as bad as you're acting like they're doing, but I overall agree with this point. VEI got people's attention by publishing very high quality books, and I worry that Alien won't be able to meet those standards for most people.

Not meaning to be harsh, just sharing my opinion on the books I've read. But I'm also not a big fan of VEI or Bad Idea so I don't think I'm the intended audience for these.

I have no interest in dwelling in negativity, which is why I don't usually post in threads about the new comics. I'll probably at least check out a bit of Resurgence since its the big 'event', but I've about seen enough for myself. I respect that your opinions are from actually reading and enjoying the comics, and I hope for Alien's sake more readers think like you and there are more new Valiant fans created.

[TheFerg714]

Not meaning to be harsh, just sharing my opinion on the books I've read. But I'm also not a big fan of VEI or Bad Idea so I don't think I'm the intended audience for these.

So what are you a big fan of? Just curious. What kind of Valiant fan are you?

[Ryan]

Not meaning to be harsh, just sharing my opinion on the books I've read. But I'm also not a big fan of VEI or Bad Idea so I don't think I'm the intended audience for these.

So what are you a big fan of? Just curious. What kind of Valiant fan are you?

The original universe.

The Valiant fans used to be almost like a cult. People on here didn't just re-read the crap out of those comics, we studied them like we were going to law school or something. Not saying those were all the best comics of all time, but there was a depth and intelligence to the world-building (especially the early years) that gave smart readers a lot to chew on.

I've just never seen that in the VEI/DMG/Alien books. I had moved on from posting here for many years, but got renewed hope when DMG took over. Unfortunately it's been worse. Guess I should join most of the other old school fans and just move on from Valiant.

[ManofTheAtom]

Not meaning to be harsh, just sharing my opinion on the books I've read. But I'm also not a big fan of VEI or Bad Idea so I don't think I'm the intended audience for these.

So what are you a big fan of? Just curious. What kind of Valiant fan are you?

The original universe.

The Valiant fans used to be almost like a cult. People on here didn't just re-read the crap out of those comics, we studied them like we were going to law school or something. Not saying those were all the best comics of all time, but there was a depth and intelligence to the world-building (especially the early years) that gave smart readers a lot to chew on.

I've just never seen that in the VEI/DMG/Alien books. I had moved on from posting here for many years, but got renewed hope when DMG took over. Unfortunately it's been worse. Guess I should join most of the other old school fans and just move on from Valiant.

Drastic.

[TheFerg714]

I'm still pretty naive about the 90's stuff. I've read all of Pre-Unity, Unity, and all of A&A. I've also read Solar, Magnus, Turok, and Rai, up through and including Chaos Effect.

I haven't heard great things about post-Shooter VH1, which has made me hesitant to dig in much further. I do intend to check out Hall's Shadowman eventually, but is there anything else you recommend I read asap?

I've just never seen that in the VEI/DMG/Alien books.

I would argue that several VEI books hit that bar of having "a depth and intelligence to the world-building that gave smart readers a lot to chew on." Granted, it wasn't across-the-boards, and VEI definitely made a conscious effort to keep their series separate for the most part, but VEI produced some of the best comics I've ever read. They also ended up sparking several podcasts and even this forum was popping for a few years there. I mean clearly you have a different perspective, and that's fine, but I just wanted to defend VEI a bit.

I had moved on from posting here for many years, but got renewed hope when DMG took over.

lol why?

[Ryan]

Drastic.

Just look at any of the old threads, full of fans who once were super passionate about Valiant but at some point lost interest. If the comics are only being made for new fans, then I'd rather leave the fandom for the new fans and than to be a source of negativity.

[Ryan]

I'm still pretty naive about the 90's stuff. I've read all of Pre-Unity, Unity, and all of A&A. I've also read Solar, Magnus, Turok, and Rai, up through and including Chaos Effect.

I haven't heard great things about post-Shooter VH1, which has made me hesitant to dig in much further. I do intend to check out Hall's Shadowman eventually, but is there anything else you recommend I read asap?

That's probably most of the main important books. It's certainly a different experience going back and reading them now as opposed to as they were coming out. I'll just say that they're the kind of books that reward multiple re-readings. Especially up through Unity and past Unity for some books (Shadowman and Bloodshot best post-Unity books imo).

Not saying that everyone who reads them falls in love with them. But for a certain type of reader they really hit. That's why the fandom was actually growing throughout the 2000's even though there were no books coming out.

I would argue that several VEI books hit that bar of having "a depth and intelligence to the world-building that gave smart readers a lot to chew on." Granted, it wasn't across-the-boards, and VEI definitely made a conscious effort to keep their series separate for the most part, but VEI produced some of the best comics I've ever read. They also ended up sparking several podcasts and even this forum was popping for a few years there. I mean clearly you have a different perspective, and that's fine, but I just wanted to defend VEI a bit.

I'm talking more about an overall sense of world building. I'm not saying they're bad comics. A comic can still be well made and entertaining without having the depth of world building that I'm talking about.

lol why?

Just because it was a whole new ownership and new direction, so for people like me who didn't like the VEI direction it was hopeful that they would go in a direction that I liked more.

[ManofTheAtom]

Drastic.

Just look at any of the old threads, full of fans who once were super passionate about Valiant but at some point lost interest. If the comics are only being made for new fans, then I'd rather leave the fandom for the new fans and than to be a source of negativity.

You could try speaking directly to the people that make the comics and offer your feedback on what you'd like to see. They are active on the Facebook VALIANT Fans group.

[Ryan]

Drastic.

Just look at any of the old threads, full of fans who once were super passionate about Valiant but at some point lost interest. If the comics are only being made for new fans, then I'd rather leave the fandom for the new fans and than to be a source of negativity.

You could try speaking directly to the people that make the comics and offer your feedback on what you'd like to see. They are active on the Facebook VALIANT Fans group.

Eh, I've been making the case to go in the direction of VH1 on this board since I started posting again in 2018. Obviously some people like the direction of continuing VEI and targeting a new, younger audience.

I've made the argument they should've thoroughly and objectively evaluated the VEI and VH1 eras to decide what really worked and what didn't work from each era, and come up with a plan that would incorporate the best of both. Try to win back and shore up the old fans that they already had then from there try to expand into newer audiences. But the time for a plan like that has probably passed.