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ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:17:21 am Cool.
There are a ton of great obscure properties from the past. But comics is such a tiny industry, I think a niche property would only be successful if there's a great deal of interest and passion from the creators.

What properties are Alien interested in? I still have no idea what they've done that was successful before the licensed Valiant. :?

I think they should just concentrate on making Valiant successful first.

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Bibleman is ripe for a dark, gritty reboot.

https://babylonbee.com/news/bibleman-se ... ty-reboot/
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Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:42:00 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:17:21 am Cool.
There are a ton of great obscure properties from the past. But comics is such a tiny industry, I think a niche property would only be successful if there's a great deal of interest and passion from the creators.

What properties are Alien interested in? I still have no idea what they've done that was successful before the licensed Valiant. :?

I think they should just concentrate on making Valiant successful first.
I believe they did Spanish reprints of American comics. Not sure, really. If I'm thinking of the right people, then at the very least they'd have an idea of what IPs can be successful.
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Chiclo wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:37:40 pm Bibleman is ripe for a dark, gritty reboot.

https://babylonbee.com/news/bibleman-se ... ty-reboot/
Heh.
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ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:26:42 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:42:00 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:17:21 am Cool.
There are a ton of great obscure properties from the past. But comics is such a tiny industry, I think a niche property would only be successful if there's a great deal of interest and passion from the creators.

What properties are Alien interested in? I still have no idea what they've done that was successful before the licensed Valiant. :?

I think they should just concentrate on making Valiant successful first.
I believe they did Spanish reprints of American comics. Not sure, really. If I'm thinking of the right people, then at the very least they'd have an idea of what IPs can be successful.
So they've never produced a hit comic book series on their own before? That makes sense.

Most IPs that are guaranteed successful in comics (very rare) are gobbled up by the bigger publishers. I think they would have to look in the niches and find something that's been overlooked or has untapped potential in the right hands. (like Thundarr)

But they just started licensing Valiant :?

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Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:44:51 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:26:42 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:42:00 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:17:21 am Cool.
There are a ton of great obscure properties from the past. But comics is such a tiny industry, I think a niche property would only be successful if there's a great deal of interest and passion from the creators.

What properties are Alien interested in? I still have no idea what they've done that was successful before the licensed Valiant. :?

I think they should just concentrate on making Valiant successful first.
I believe they did Spanish reprints of American comics. Not sure, really. If I'm thinking of the right people, then at the very least they'd have an idea of what IPs can be successful.
So they've never produced a hit comic book series on their own before? That makes sense.

Most IPs that are guaranteed successful in comics (very rare) are gobbled up by the bigger publishers. I think they would have to look in the niches and find something that's been overlooked or has untapped potential in the right hands. (like Thundarr)

But they just started licensing Valiant :?
Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
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ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:28:56 pm Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
Oh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.

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Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:46:38 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:28:56 pm Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
Oh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.
I think that has been established, heh.
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ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:53:29 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:46:38 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:28:56 pm Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
Oh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.
I think that has been established, heh.
I just want Valiant to get back to making great comics, like most people on here.

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Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:02:47 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:53:29 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:46:38 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:28:56 pm Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
Oh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.
I think that has been established, heh.
I just want Valiant to get back to making great comics, like most people on here.
Resurgence has the right tone.
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ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:06:32 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:02:47 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:53:29 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:46:38 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:28:56 pm Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
Oh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.
I think that has been established, heh.
I just want Valiant to get back to making great comics, like most people on here.
Resurgence has the right tone.
Cool, I haven't read it yet, but I disagree completely that Alien has the 'right tone' for Valiant. You've read one comic, you're certainly entitled to your opinion of it.

I think the over-hyping of mediocre-to-bad comics is actually a disservice to the Valiant brand in the long run. It misrepresents what Valiant fans stand for, misrepresents what people became Valiant fans for in the first place.

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Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:24:41 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:06:32 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:02:47 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:53:29 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:46:38 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:28:56 pm Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
Oh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.
I think that has been established, heh.
I just want Valiant to get back to making great comics, like most people on here.
Resurgence has the right tone.
Cool, I haven't read it yet, but I disagree completely that Alien has the 'right tone' for Valiant. You've read one comic, you're certainly entitled to your opinion of it.

I think the over-hyping of mediocre-to-bad comics is actually a disservice to the Valiant brand in the long run. It misrepresents what Valiant fans stand for, misrepresents what people became Valiant fans for in the first place.
I don't consider anything published prior to Resurgence to be that important as they are clearly part of the transition from DMG-controlled VALIANT to Alien-controlled VALIANT.

I'll judge them on what happens after, which, ideally, should include proper ongoing series, not two issue minis.
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ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:28:07 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:24:41 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:06:32 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:02:47 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:53:29 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:46:38 pm

Oh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.
I think that has been established, heh.
I just want Valiant to get back to making great comics, like most people on here.
Resurgence has the right tone.
Cool, I haven't read it yet, but I disagree completely that Alien has the 'right tone' for Valiant. You've read one comic, you're certainly entitled to your opinion of it.

I think the over-hyping of mediocre-to-bad comics is actually a disservice to the Valiant brand in the long run. It misrepresents what Valiant fans stand for, misrepresents what people became Valiant fans for in the first place.
I don't consider anything published prior to Resurgence to be that important as they are clearly part of the transition from DMG-controlled VALIANT to Alien-controlled VALIANT.

I'll judge them on what happens after, which, ideally, should include proper ongoing series, not two issue minis.
That's your choice. I judge based on what I actually read, what's actually published with the Alien/Valiant name on the cover, not based on some ideal that I hope they might do in the future.

I just don't feel like sinking another $5 into an Alien Valiant book that will just go in the trash, and the premise of Resurgence just sounds too hokey. Now no one on Earth can die? That's just bad sci-fi, definitely not 'the world outside your window' :lol:

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Alien would be well advised to license characters. Alien doesn’t know the VALIANT characters.
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Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:39:14 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:28:07 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:24:41 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:06:32 pm
Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:02:47 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:53:29 pm

I think that has been established, heh.
I just want Valiant to get back to making great comics, like most people on here.
Resurgence has the right tone.
Cool, I haven't read it yet, but I disagree completely that Alien has the 'right tone' for Valiant. You've read one comic, you're certainly entitled to your opinion of it.

I think the over-hyping of mediocre-to-bad comics is actually a disservice to the Valiant brand in the long run. It misrepresents what Valiant fans stand for, misrepresents what people became Valiant fans for in the first place.
I don't consider anything published prior to Resurgence to be that important as they are clearly part of the transition from DMG-controlled VALIANT to Alien-controlled VALIANT.

I'll judge them on what happens after, which, ideally, should include proper ongoing series, not two issue minis.
That's your choice. I judge based on what I actually read, what's actually published with the Alien/Valiant name on the cover, not based on some ideal that I hope they might do in the future.

I just don't feel like sinking another $5 into an Alien Valiant book that will just go in the trash, and the premise of Resurgence just sounds too hokey. Now no one on Earth can die? That's just bad sci-fi, definitely not 'the world outside your window' :lol:
The reason they cannot die has to do with Doctor Silk, who is virtually immortal. Obviously, the heroes will find a way to undo that.

It's much like Torchwood: Miracle Day, which did an entire season in which no one on Earth could die.
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buff-beardo wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:23:59 am Alien would be well advised to license characters. Alien doesn’t know the VALIANT characters.
How so? I thought Resurgence did them really well.
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I'd like to see Alien Books try to get the comic rights to SpongeBob. SpongeBob comics used to be put out by Bongo Comics, the same company behind the Simpsons comics (Bongo was even formed by Matt Groening), but unfortunately, SpongeBob comics went on an indefinite hiatus in 2018 when Bongo went out of business.

This was followed by the death of SpongeBob creator Stephen Hillenburg about a month later (even during periods when he didn't have much involvement in the show, he was always involved in the comics).

While the comics haven't been put out in almost 6 years, TECHNICALLY they never gave confirmation as to whether the series was truly cancelled or just on hiatus while searching for a new publisher.

Due to the immense popularity of SpongeBob, acquiring the comic book rights to the franchise could serve as a major money-maker for Alien Books, money that could benefit the other parts of the publisher, including Valiant, as there'd be more financial incentive within Alien Books to put out more comics all across the board in hopes of making even more money.

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TronNerd82 wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:18:55 pm I'd like to see Alien Books try to get the comic rights to SpongeBob. SpongeBob comics used to be put out by Bongo Comics, the same company behind the Simpsons comics (Bongo was even formed by Matt Groening), but unfortunately, SpongeBob comics went on an indefinite hiatus in 2018 when Bongo went out of business.

This was followed by the death of SpongeBob creator Stephen Hillenburg about a month later (even during periods when he didn't have much involvement in the show, he was always involved in the comics).

While the comics haven't been put out in almost 6 years, TECHNICALLY they never gave confirmation as to whether the series was truly cancelled or just on hiatus while searching for a new publisher.

Due to the immense popularity of SpongeBob, acquiring the comic book rights to the franchise could serve as a major money-maker for Alien Books, money that could benefit the other parts of the publisher, including Valiant, as there'd be more financial incentive within Alien Books to put out more comics all across the board in hopes of making even more money.

Just my 2 cents.
That would be interesting, yeah.
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