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There are a ton of great obscure properties from the past. But comics is such a tiny industry, I think a niche property would only be successful if there's a great deal of interest and passion from the creators.
What properties are Alien interested in? I still have no idea what they've done that was successful before the licensed Valiant.
I think they should just concentrate on making Valiant successful first.
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I believe they did Spanish reprints of American comics. Not sure, really. If I'm thinking of the right people, then at the very least they'd have an idea of what IPs can be successful.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:42:00 pmThere are a ton of great obscure properties from the past. But comics is such a tiny industry, I think a niche property would only be successful if there's a great deal of interest and passion from the creators.
What properties are Alien interested in? I still have no idea what they've done that was successful before the licensed Valiant.
I think they should just concentrate on making Valiant successful first.
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Heh.Chiclo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:37:40 pm Bibleman is ripe for a dark, gritty reboot.
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So they've never produced a hit comic book series on their own before? That makes sense.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:26:42 pmI believe they did Spanish reprints of American comics. Not sure, really. If I'm thinking of the right people, then at the very least they'd have an idea of what IPs can be successful.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:42:00 pmThere are a ton of great obscure properties from the past. But comics is such a tiny industry, I think a niche property would only be successful if there's a great deal of interest and passion from the creators.
What properties are Alien interested in? I still have no idea what they've done that was successful before the licensed Valiant.
I think they should just concentrate on making Valiant successful first.
Most IPs that are guaranteed successful in comics (very rare) are gobbled up by the bigger publishers. I think they would have to look in the niches and find something that's been overlooked or has untapped potential in the right hands. (like Thundarr)
But they just started licensing Valiant
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Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:44:51 pmSo they've never produced a hit comic book series on their own before? That makes sense.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:26:42 pmI believe they did Spanish reprints of American comics. Not sure, really. If I'm thinking of the right people, then at the very least they'd have an idea of what IPs can be successful.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:42:00 pmThere are a ton of great obscure properties from the past. But comics is such a tiny industry, I think a niche property would only be successful if there's a great deal of interest and passion from the creators.
What properties are Alien interested in? I still have no idea what they've done that was successful before the licensed Valiant.
I think they should just concentrate on making Valiant successful first.
Most IPs that are guaranteed successful in comics (very rare) are gobbled up by the bigger publishers. I think they would have to look in the niches and find something that's been overlooked or has untapped potential in the right hands. (like Thundarr)
But they just started licensing Valiant
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Oh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:28:56 pm Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
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I think that has been established, heh.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:46:38 pmOh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:28:56 pm Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
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I just want Valiant to get back to making great comics, like most people on here.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:53:29 pmI think that has been established, heh.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:46:38 pmOh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:28:56 pm Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
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Resurgence has the right tone.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:02:47 pmI just want Valiant to get back to making great comics, like most people on here.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:53:29 pmI think that has been established, heh.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:46:38 pmOh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:28:56 pm Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
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Cool, I haven't read it yet, but I disagree completely that Alien has the 'right tone' for Valiant. You've read one comic, you're certainly entitled to your opinion of it.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:06:32 pmResurgence has the right tone.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:02:47 pmI just want Valiant to get back to making great comics, like most people on here.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:53:29 pmI think that has been established, heh.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:46:38 pmOh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:28:56 pm Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
I think the over-hyping of mediocre-to-bad comics is actually a disservice to the Valiant brand in the long run. It misrepresents what Valiant fans stand for, misrepresents what people became Valiant fans for in the first place.
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I don't consider anything published prior to Resurgence to be that important as they are clearly part of the transition from DMG-controlled VALIANT to Alien-controlled VALIANT.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:24:41 pmCool, I haven't read it yet, but I disagree completely that Alien has the 'right tone' for Valiant. You've read one comic, you're certainly entitled to your opinion of it.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:06:32 pmResurgence has the right tone.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:02:47 pmI just want Valiant to get back to making great comics, like most people on here.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:53:29 pmI think that has been established, heh.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:46:38 pmOh? Huh. Well I'm skeptical of the whole deal.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:28:56 pm Not sure. I don't know much about Alien before VALIANT.
I think the over-hyping of mediocre-to-bad comics is actually a disservice to the Valiant brand in the long run. It misrepresents what Valiant fans stand for, misrepresents what people became Valiant fans for in the first place.
I'll judge them on what happens after, which, ideally, should include proper ongoing series, not two issue minis.
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That's your choice. I judge based on what I actually read, what's actually published with the Alien/Valiant name on the cover, not based on some ideal that I hope they might do in the future.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:28:07 pmI don't consider anything published prior to Resurgence to be that important as they are clearly part of the transition from DMG-controlled VALIANT to Alien-controlled VALIANT.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:24:41 pmCool, I haven't read it yet, but I disagree completely that Alien has the 'right tone' for Valiant. You've read one comic, you're certainly entitled to your opinion of it.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:06:32 pmResurgence has the right tone.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:02:47 pmI just want Valiant to get back to making great comics, like most people on here.
I think the over-hyping of mediocre-to-bad comics is actually a disservice to the Valiant brand in the long run. It misrepresents what Valiant fans stand for, misrepresents what people became Valiant fans for in the first place.
I'll judge them on what happens after, which, ideally, should include proper ongoing series, not two issue minis.
I just don't feel like sinking another $5 into an Alien Valiant book that will just go in the trash, and the premise of Resurgence just sounds too hokey. Now no one on Earth can die? That's just bad sci-fi, definitely not 'the world outside your window'
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Alien would be well advised to license characters. Alien doesn’t know the VALIANT characters.
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The reason they cannot die has to do with Doctor Silk, who is virtually immortal. Obviously, the heroes will find a way to undo that.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:39:14 pmThat's your choice. I judge based on what I actually read, what's actually published with the Alien/Valiant name on the cover, not based on some ideal that I hope they might do in the future.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:28:07 pmI don't consider anything published prior to Resurgence to be that important as they are clearly part of the transition from DMG-controlled VALIANT to Alien-controlled VALIANT.Ryan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:24:41 pmCool, I haven't read it yet, but I disagree completely that Alien has the 'right tone' for Valiant. You've read one comic, you're certainly entitled to your opinion of it.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:06:32 pmResurgence has the right tone.
I think the over-hyping of mediocre-to-bad comics is actually a disservice to the Valiant brand in the long run. It misrepresents what Valiant fans stand for, misrepresents what people became Valiant fans for in the first place.
I'll judge them on what happens after, which, ideally, should include proper ongoing series, not two issue minis.
I just don't feel like sinking another $5 into an Alien Valiant book that will just go in the trash, and the premise of Resurgence just sounds too hokey. Now no one on Earth can die? That's just bad sci-fi, definitely not 'the world outside your window'
It's much like Torchwood: Miracle Day, which did an entire season in which no one on Earth could die.
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How so? I thought Resurgence did them really well.buff-beardo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:23:59 am Alien would be well advised to license characters. Alien doesn’t know the VALIANT characters.
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I'd like to see Alien Books try to get the comic rights to SpongeBob. SpongeBob comics used to be put out by Bongo Comics, the same company behind the Simpsons comics (Bongo was even formed by Matt Groening), but unfortunately, SpongeBob comics went on an indefinite hiatus in 2018 when Bongo went out of business.
This was followed by the death of SpongeBob creator Stephen Hillenburg about a month later (even during periods when he didn't have much involvement in the show, he was always involved in the comics).
While the comics haven't been put out in almost 6 years, TECHNICALLY they never gave confirmation as to whether the series was truly cancelled or just on hiatus while searching for a new publisher.
Due to the immense popularity of SpongeBob, acquiring the comic book rights to the franchise could serve as a major money-maker for Alien Books, money that could benefit the other parts of the publisher, including Valiant, as there'd be more financial incentive within Alien Books to put out more comics all across the board in hopes of making even more money.
Just my 2 cents.
This was followed by the death of SpongeBob creator Stephen Hillenburg about a month later (even during periods when he didn't have much involvement in the show, he was always involved in the comics).
While the comics haven't been put out in almost 6 years, TECHNICALLY they never gave confirmation as to whether the series was truly cancelled or just on hiatus while searching for a new publisher.
Due to the immense popularity of SpongeBob, acquiring the comic book rights to the franchise could serve as a major money-maker for Alien Books, money that could benefit the other parts of the publisher, including Valiant, as there'd be more financial incentive within Alien Books to put out more comics all across the board in hopes of making even more money.
Just my 2 cents.
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That would be interesting, yeah.TronNerd82 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:18:55 pm I'd like to see Alien Books try to get the comic rights to SpongeBob. SpongeBob comics used to be put out by Bongo Comics, the same company behind the Simpsons comics (Bongo was even formed by Matt Groening), but unfortunately, SpongeBob comics went on an indefinite hiatus in 2018 when Bongo went out of business.
This was followed by the death of SpongeBob creator Stephen Hillenburg about a month later (even during periods when he didn't have much involvement in the show, he was always involved in the comics).
While the comics haven't been put out in almost 6 years, TECHNICALLY they never gave confirmation as to whether the series was truly cancelled or just on hiatus while searching for a new publisher.
Due to the immense popularity of SpongeBob, acquiring the comic book rights to the franchise could serve as a major money-maker for Alien Books, money that could benefit the other parts of the publisher, including Valiant, as there'd be more financial incentive within Alien Books to put out more comics all across the board in hopes of making even more money.
Just my 2 cents.
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