‘Valiant Beyond’ Reboots The Universe With New-Reader Friendly, Revamped Takes On The Icons

[ManofTheAtom]

I’ve lost confidence in Alien. The Bloodshot books have been low IQ nonsense and I stopped reading Shadowman a while back. Would need to see some good reviews to get me to buy into another Bloodshot launch (or tried and tested creators).

The Bloodshot anthology certainly wasn't as great as it could have been, but I don't think that should be used to pre-emptively judge what's coming in the reboot.

I only read issue 2 of the anthology, I actually thought it was kind of interesting (in a way). I meant every other Bloodshot mini series Alien have put out (hot on the heels of DMG’s garbage Bloodshot series).

How many tries do you give a company

I for one liked Unleashed Reloaded, heh.

[Ryan]

I only read issue 2 of the anthology, I actually thought it was kind of interesting (in a way). I meant every other Bloodshot mini series Alien have put out (hot on the heels of DMG’s garbage Bloodshot series).

How many tries do you give a company

I for one liked Unleashed Reloaded, heh.

I'd love to see you make a post breaking down and explaining what it is you find so great about the Alien and DMG Valiant books. I'm genuinely curious, whenever I've read them I usually feel like they're pretty much the opposite of what I would like Valiant comics to be. And very far in quality and tone from the quality of tone of peak Valiant. At best they seem like passable modern comics made for a general audience, but nothing about them feels specifically Valiant or unique.

[ManofTheAtom]

I only read issue 2 of the anthology, I actually thought it was kind of interesting (in a way). I meant every other Bloodshot mini series Alien have put out (hot on the heels of DMG’s garbage Bloodshot series).

How many tries do you give a company

I for one liked Unleashed Reloaded, heh.

I'd love to see you make a post breaking down and explaining what it is you find so great about the Alien and DMG Valiant books. I'm genuinely curious, whenever I've read them I usually feel like they're pretty much the opposite of what I would like Valiant comics to be. And very far in quality and tone from the quality of tone of peak Valiant. At best they seem like passable modern comics made for a general audience, but nothing about them feels specifically Valiant or unique.

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54676

[Ryan]

I only read issue 2 of the anthology, I actually thought it was kind of interesting (in a way). I meant every other Bloodshot mini series Alien have put out (hot on the heels of DMG’s garbage Bloodshot series).

How many tries do you give a company

I for one liked Unleashed Reloaded, heh.

I'd love to see you make a post breaking down and explaining what it is you find so great about the Alien and DMG Valiant books. I'm genuinely curious, whenever I've read them I usually feel like they're pretty much the opposite of what I would like Valiant comics to be. And very far in quality and tone from the quality of tone of peak Valiant. At best they seem like passable modern comics made for a general audience, but nothing about them feels specifically Valiant or unique.

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54676

So what is it that makes Bloodshot Unleased Reloaded a great example of Valiant comics? I didn't see that in there.

[ManofTheAtom]

I only read issue 2 of the anthology, I actually thought it was kind of interesting (in a way). I meant every other Bloodshot mini series Alien have put out (hot on the heels of DMG’s garbage Bloodshot series).

How many tries do you give a company

I for one liked Unleashed Reloaded, heh.

I'd love to see you make a post breaking down and explaining what it is you find so great about the Alien and DMG Valiant books. I'm genuinely curious, whenever I've read them I usually feel like they're pretty much the opposite of what I would like Valiant comics to be. And very far in quality and tone from the quality of tone of peak Valiant. At best they seem like passable modern comics made for a general audience, but nothing about them feels specifically Valiant or unique.

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54676

So what is it that makes Bloodshot Unleased Reloaded a great example of Valiant comics? I didn't see that in there.

I posted my thoughts about it at the time. I don't recall specifics.

[Ryan]

I posted my thoughts about it at the time. I don't recall specifics.

Nothing in that thread about it.

[ManofTheAtom]

I posted my thoughts about it at the time. I don't recall specifics.

Nothing in that thread about it.

I'll check it asap. Happy new year!

[Ryan]

I posted my thoughts about it at the time. I don't recall specifics.

Nothing in that thread about it.

I'll check it asap. Happy new year!

Its not that deep, just wondering what you're seeing in DMG comics like BS Unleashed that puts it on the level of Vh1 for you. Happy New Year

[ManofTheAtom]

I posted my thoughts about it at the time. I don't recall specifics.

Nothing in that thread about it.

I'll check it asap. Happy new year!

Its not that deep, just wondering what you're seeing in DMG comics like BS Unleashed that puts it on the level of Vh1 for you. Happy New Year

Until Beyond, neither DMG nor Alien had done anything to contradict what Dinesh started, like Nicieza did with VH 2. We'll see what happens after.

[Ryan]

Until Beyond, neither DMG nor Alien had done anything to contradict what Dinesh started, like Nicieza did with VH 2. We'll see what happens after.

So would you say maintaining the illusion of continuity is the only thing that makes a comic good or bad to you?

Yet everything Dinesh and VEI did contradicts all of VH1 and VH2. Why is it only bad when Nicieza does it?

[ManofTheAtom]

Until Beyond, neither DMG nor Alien had done anything to contradict what Dinesh started, like Nicieza did with VH 2. We'll see what happens after.

So would you say maintaining the illusion of continuity is the only thing that makes a comic good or bad to you?

Yet everything Dinesh and VEI did contradicts all of VH1 and VH2. Why is it only bad when Nicieza does it?

Dinesh didn't contradict VH-1, he restored the majority of VALIANT to what it was before VH-2.

What Nicieza did was keep the trademarks and toss out the copyrights, replacing them with entirely new and different characters.

Dinesh chose, for reasons of his own, to keep certain things from VH 2 like Raymond Garrison over restoring the VH-1 originals like Angelo Mortalli, but that doesn't mean that what he did equates to what Nicieza did.

[Ryan]

Dinesh didn't contradict VH-1, he restored the majority of VALIANT to what it was before VH-2.

What Nicieza did was keep the trademarks and toss out the copyrights, replacing them with entirely new and different characters.

Dinesh chose, for reasons of his own, to keep certain things from VH 2 like Raymond Garrison over restoring the VH-1 originals like Angelo Mortalli, but that doesn't mean that what he did equates to what Nicieza did.

They're both total reboots using none of the old continuities, so they're a lot more similar than you're saying.

Yes, for over half of the series (X-O, Harb, Ninjak, A&A) the new versions were very similar to the VH1 versions and they used many of the broad plot points from VH1 while changing many of the details.

That's not 'restoring' the continuity, that's re-doing it or doing a remake.

It wasn't just Bloodshot's name, his origin and powers were also much more similar to the VH2 version. Vh1 BS had a minor healing factor, he couldn't reform his entire body after being turned into red mist.

[ManofTheAtom]

Dinesh didn't contradict VH-1, he restored the majority of VALIANT to what it was before VH-2.

What Nicieza did was keep the trademarks and toss out the copyrights, replacing them with entirely new and different characters.

Dinesh chose, for reasons of his own, to keep certain things from VH 2 like Raymond Garrison over restoring the VH-1 originals like Angelo Mortalli, but that doesn't mean that what he did equates to what Nicieza did.

They're both total reboots using none of the old continuities, so they're a lot more similar than you're saying.

Yes, for over half of the series (X-O, Harb, Ninjak, A&A) the new versions were very similar to the VH1 versions and they used many of the broad plot points from VH1 while changing many of the details.

That's not 'restoring' the continuity, that's re-doing it or doing a remake.

It wasn't just Bloodshot's name, his origin and powers were also much more similar to the VH2 version. Vh1 BS had a minor healing factor, he couldn't reform his entire body after being turned into red mist.

I didn't say he restored the continuity. I said he restored the characters, He didn't bring back Donovan Wiley or create another wearer of the X-O Manowar, he brought back Aric Dacia.

Again, he kept the things from VH-2 that worked and should have included in a VH-1 revamp.

BTW, VH-1 Bloodshot did regrow his leg after Proteus blew it up. It was an upgrade to his nanites.

[Ryan]

I didn't say he restored the continuity. I said he restored the characters, He didn't bring back Donovan Wiley or create another wearer of the X-O Manowar, he brought back Aric Dacia.

Again, he kept the things from VH-2 that worked and should have included in a VH-1 revamp.

BTW, VH-1 Bloodshot did regrow his leg after Proteus blew it up. It was an upgrade to his nanites.

Yeah the Marvelization, over-powering, and fantasy over science really started in post-Unity and especially post-BQ. But there was no reason to continue to make Valiant more like Marvel and go all-in on the fantasy elements.

A reboot should have gone back to the style and tone of pre-Unity.

[ManofTheAtom]

I didn't say he restored the continuity. I said he restored the characters, He didn't bring back Donovan Wiley or create another wearer of the X-O Manowar, he brought back Aric Dacia.

Again, he kept the things from VH-2 that worked and should have included in a VH-1 revamp.

BTW, VH-1 Bloodshot did regrow his leg after Proteus blew it up. It was an upgrade to his nanites.

Yeah the Marvelization, over-powering, and fantasy over science really started in post-Unity and especially post-BQ. But there was no reason to continue to make Valiant more like Marvel and go all-in on the fantasy elements.

A reboot should have gone back to the style and tone of pre-Unity.

This wasn't fantasy, it was science. It was the nanites reconstituting matter. It wasn't the same kind of regenerative abilities Wolverine has.

[Ryan]

I didn't say he restored the continuity. I said he restored the characters, He didn't bring back Donovan Wiley or create another wearer of the X-O Manowar, he brought back Aric Dacia.

Again, he kept the things from VH-2 that worked and should have included in a VH-1 revamp.

BTW, VH-1 Bloodshot did regrow his leg after Proteus blew it up. It was an upgrade to his nanites.

Yeah the Marvelization, over-powering, and fantasy over science really started in post-Unity and especially post-BQ. But there was no reason to continue to make Valiant more like Marvel and go all-in on the fantasy elements.

A reboot should have gone back to the style and tone of pre-Unity.

This wasn't fantasy, it was science. It was the nanites reconstituting matter. It wasn't the same kind of regenerative abilities Wolverine has.

Nanite blood is not hard science. It's fantasy using science jargon, still fantasy.

[ManofTheAtom]

I didn't say he restored the continuity. I said he restored the characters, He didn't bring back Donovan Wiley or create another wearer of the X-O Manowar, he brought back Aric Dacia.

Again, he kept the things from VH-2 that worked and should have included in a VH-1 revamp.

BTW, VH-1 Bloodshot did regrow his leg after Proteus blew it up. It was an upgrade to his nanites.

Yeah the Marvelization, over-powering, and fantasy over science really started in post-Unity and especially post-BQ. But there was no reason to continue to make Valiant more like Marvel and go all-in on the fantasy elements.

A reboot should have gone back to the style and tone of pre-Unity.

This wasn't fantasy, it was science. It was the nanites reconstituting matter. It wasn't the same kind of regenerative abilities Wolverine has.

Nanite blood is not hard science. It's fantasy using science jargon, still fantasy.

No, it's science fiction, which is not the same as fantasy.

[Ryan]

I didn't say he restored the continuity. I said he restored the characters, He didn't bring back Donovan Wiley or create another wearer of the X-O Manowar, he brought back Aric Dacia.

Again, he kept the things from VH-2 that worked and should have included in a VH-1 revamp.

BTW, VH-1 Bloodshot did regrow his leg after Proteus blew it up. It was an upgrade to his nanites.

Yeah the Marvelization, over-powering, and fantasy over science really started in post-Unity and especially post-BQ. But there was no reason to continue to make Valiant more like Marvel and go all-in on the fantasy elements.

A reboot should have gone back to the style and tone of pre-Unity.

This wasn't fantasy, it was science. It was the nanites reconstituting matter. It wasn't the same kind of regenerative abilities Wolverine has.

Nanite blood is not hard science. It's fantasy using science jargon, still fantasy.

No, it's science fiction, which is not the same as fantasy.

I thought it was hard science?

[ManofTheAtom]

I didn't say he restored the continuity. I said he restored the characters, He didn't bring back Donovan Wiley or create another wearer of the X-O Manowar, he brought back Aric Dacia.

Again, he kept the things from VH-2 that worked and should have included in a VH-1 revamp.

BTW, VH-1 Bloodshot did regrow his leg after Proteus blew it up. It was an upgrade to his nanites.

Yeah the Marvelization, over-powering, and fantasy over science really started in post-Unity and especially post-BQ. But there was no reason to continue to make Valiant more like Marvel and go all-in on the fantasy elements.

A reboot should have gone back to the style and tone of pre-Unity.

This wasn't fantasy, it was science. It was the nanites reconstituting matter. It wasn't the same kind of regenerative abilities Wolverine has.

Nanite blood is not hard science. It's fantasy using science jargon, still fantasy.

No, it's science fiction, which is not the same as fantasy.

I thought it was hard science?

It is. It's nanites that use protein to regrow a missing limb. It's not a wizard waving a wand.

[Ryan]

It is. It's nanites that use protein to regrow a missing limb. It's not a wizard waving a wand.

That's not real science though. It's science fantasy using real science jargon to do something that is way beyond what actual science can do.

[ManofTheAtom]

It is. It's nanites that use protein to regrow a missing limb. It's not a wizard waving a wand.

That's not real science though. It's science fantasy using real science jargon to do something that is way beyond what actual science can do.

It's not fantasy, it's science fiction.

[ManofTheAtom]

Nanites are considered science fiction as they are microscopic machines based on the concept of nanotechnology, which is a real field of science, although the capabilities often depicted in fiction, like self-replication and complex manipulation of matter, are currently beyond what is achievable in reality.

Google search, term "are nanites fiction or fantasy"

[Ryan]

Nanites are considered science fiction as they are microscopic machines based on the concept of nanotechnology, which is a real field of science, although the capabilities often depicted in fiction, like self-replication and complex manipulation of matter, are currently beyond what is achievable in reality.

Google search, term "are nanites fiction or fantasy"

Google search, "can nanites use protein to rebuild a limb that's been shot off". Or just use common sense.

[ManofTheAtom]

Nanites are considered science fiction as they are microscopic machines based on the concept of nanotechnology, which is a real field of science, although the capabilities often depicted in fiction, like self-replication and complex manipulation of matter, are currently beyond what is achievable in reality.

Google search, term "are nanites fiction or fantasy"

Google search, "can nanites use protein to rebuild a limb that's been shot off". Or just use common sense.

That's science fiction. Not magic and not fantasy.

[Ryan]

Nanites are considered science fiction as they are microscopic machines based on the concept of nanotechnology, which is a real field of science, although the capabilities often depicted in fiction, like self-replication and complex manipulation of matter, are currently beyond what is achievable in reality.

Google search, term "are nanites fiction or fantasy"

Google search, "can nanites use protein to rebuild a limb that's been shot off". Or just use common sense.

That's science fiction. Not magic and not fantasy.

Of course its science fiction. But its not hard science. Fantastical things that don't happen in the real world being explained using scientific jargon aka soft science fiction aka science fantasy.