What happens when VVSS meets CGC?

Shakespeare · Post by **Shakespeare** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:28 am

Anybody know yet? Theories?

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:52 am

Shakespeare wrote:Anybody know yet? Theories?

I would just assume a GLOD

They dont give a yellow label to anything unless they see it with their own eyes. I was thinking about having my VcVSS graded and I figured that I would just get a GLOD and they would toss my certificate, which they might or might not do on the VVSS books..

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:10 pm

Well, if the book has a stamp and certificate it's hard to argue with it's authenticity. Otherwise, anything cgc witness is worth thousands and anything your lcs gets signed is worth less now then when they bought it. That's poor logic if you ask me.

As for the VcVSS, I was also thinking about getting it cgc'd with a note saying "INCLUDE THE CERTIFICATE IN THE CASING". Who cares if they GLOD that or not. Of course I'm not really willing to take the chance that they throw my certificate in the trash cause it doesn't meet with their approval. Last time I checked they were suppose to just give my comics a grade, not decided what all should go with it

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:29 pm

This would be a bad move. They won't put it in the case with just you adding a note and instructions. At a minimum, you would have to work this out on the phone ahead of time, and IMO they will refuse. Just attach it to the case when you get it back.

I have not sent any VVSS books to CGC, but would expect a qualified "GLOD". I think the "of death" portion is overblown. Would anyone seriously doubt a 9.8 Green with the stated reason for the qualifiction a signiture? Unless it was ugly or not clearly authentic, it's still a 9.8 to me.

I did send one of the EW 1 gold embossed to CGC - one of the many that were signed by shooter. I expect a green label.

As for the VcVSS, I was also thinking about getting it cgc'd with a note saying "INCLUDE THE CERTIFICATE IN THE CASING". Who cares if they GLOD that or not. Of course I'm not really willing to take the chance that they throw my certificate in the trash cause it doesn't meet with their approval. Last time I checked they were suppose to just give my comics a grade, not decided what all should go with it

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greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:49 pm

The simple answer is... it would get the Green Label (Qualified Grade).
They will not include the certificate for ANY signed book.
(VVSS, Dynamic Forces, etc.)
They may not send the certificates back, so it's best not to even
send the certificates in. It may be best not to send any signed books in.

The "Green Label" is still questionable to a lot of collectors,
since "Blue" indicates that the book is all original...
and "Purple" indicates that the book has some form of restoration.
Collectors aren't really sure what to do with "Green" at this point.

I'm not sure what CGC would "grade" the VVSS embossing on the book.
Technically, the VVSS embossed seal is a "damage" to the original book,
but it's this "damage" that gets us so excited. CGC might not be as excited.

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:58 pm

I had forgotten about the embossing. I would think that they would view it as damage, but it would also fall under the "Qualified" label. Something along the lines of book getting a high grade despite having an ad cut out. Something along those lines...Not really sure how they would look at it and it seems like an sort of expensive experiment. I guess that you could call and ask. I am thinking that the emboss would be seen as "damage" and the signatures as "writing"

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:24 pm

How would they grade a silver age issue which appears VF, but has an ad cut out (that doesn't affect the story)?

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:28 pm

An Xmen collector around here showed me a Silver Age issue he had with a REAL "GLOD". It was a "9.2 white GL" silver age-Xmen - with an ad page missing!

I don't know if it would have gotten a blue 0.5 if it involved the story pages.

Vault-Keeper wrote:How would they grade a silver age issue which appears VF, but has an ad cut out (that doesn't affect the story)?

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 2:38 pm

Vault-Keeper wrote:How would they grade a silver age issue which appears VF, but has an ad cut out (that doesn't affect the story)?

This is something that is a big concern on Hulk 181. The MVS is cut out on lots of these books. I think that if sent it in to CGC that it would get the GLOD. I really dont understand the quailied label since it is really up to them to decide what is acceptible and what is not. A 9.4 GLOD of death is certainly worth more than 1.5 blue and both could have the same defect. Say a missing portion of the back cover, but I would bet that these 2 books would bring slighty different prices on ebay...

dino · Post by **dino** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:39 pm

What's a GLOD?

myron · Post by **myron** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:43 pm

dino wrote:What's a GLOD?

God...I'm glad someone else was wondering that too...

I'm thinking though from one of greg's statements above it's a Green Label ( of Death)

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:48 pm

Green Labelof DEATH!

aka 'Qualified' -- a book with a serious defect....

However, in the case of an unauthenicated signature, it would be looked at no differently than if it was a child's scribble on the cover. It should get a lower grade Blue (Universal) Label, because technically there is no 'serious' defect, IMO---Steve G

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:47 pm

greg wrote:
I'm not sure what CGC would "grade" the VVSS embossing on the book.
Technically, the VVSS embossed seal is a "damage" to the original book,
but it's this "damage" that gets us so excited. CGC might not be as excited.

It's not considered damage if it's done by the publisher before being released to the public, so it does not adversely affect the grade, because it's a specific and 'on purpose' part of production, not wear and tear, or 'bad printing'.

As for the greens.....if you don't mind having a BEAUTIFUL book with some bizarre flaw (like large piece missing from an ad page), you can get them for a song.

And that's the beauty of the GLOD. Because each GLOD is specifically detailed, the potential buyer can decide for him/herself what that makes the book worth to them. So, that 9.2 X-Men with an ad page missing....if the buyer doesn't mind...is going to be a BEAUTIFUL book.

Technically, any book with an entire page missing, ad or not, is by definition qualified or poor. I'll pick the qualified every day.

Shakespeare · Post by **Shakespeare** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:25 am

It's not considered damage if it's done by the publisher before being released to the public, so it does not adversely affect the grade, because it's a specific and 'on purpose' part of production

If that's true then I'd love to see someone spend the $16 and give it a try. After all, if it's that specifically detailed about what's wrong with it, then a 9.6 GLOD on a VVSS wouldn't be bad...since Valiant fans would know what's wrong with it.

Dang, just shipped my (probably last) package to CGC last Saturday...should have sent my Timewalker VVSS. A beautiful 9.6-9.8. Heck with it, I'm putting it up on e-bay today.

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:29 am

I wouldn't try it with a Timewalker. Maybe we can test the waters with a Rai #9 or Magnus #25 VVSS. If you lose one of these then it's all of $6 to replace it

Just my two cents.

Shakespeare · Post by **Shakespeare** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:45 am

Well, I wouldn't send the certificate, and it's not like you're "losing" a Timewalker...they're not going to iron out the embossing or anything!

Funny though...when you CGC a book, sometimes it does feel like you lose it .

Mr. Parker, paging Mr. Parker...Mr. Peter Parker, you're needed on the boards for a heated debate...Mr. Peter Parker.

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:46 am

The VVSS books would be good to submit to CGC at a convention or show. That way you could have a face-to-face discussion about CGC's views on these issues.

As near as I know, Valiant was the only company to release signature series issues WITH a validation mark embossed on the cover. Other companies may have offered COA's, but Valiant was the only 'embosser'. Does anyone else know of another company that did this?

Valiant must have lost the embosser after they sold to Acclaim, because the official V2 signed books don't have them. They were outsourced to Dynamic Forces. I asked Bob Layton if he had the original VVSS embosser packed up with his stuff, but he doesn't know where it went....It would be neat to find it....

---Steve G

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:01 am

Vault-Keeper wrote:The VVSS books would be good to submit to CGC at a convention or show. That way you could have a face-to-face discussion about CGC's views on these issues.

As near as I know, Valiant was the only company to release signature series issues WITH a validation mark embossed on the cover. Other companies may have offered COA's, but Valiant was the only 'embosser'. Does anyone else know of another company that did this?

Valiant must have lost the embosser after they sold to Acclaim, because the official V2 signed books don't have them. They were outsourced to Dynamic Forces. I asked Bob Layton if he had the original VVSS embosser packed up with his stuff, but he doesn't know where it went....It would be neat to find it....---Steve G

yeah that embosser ould come in real handy in completing my set of valiants...I mean I would want as a keepsake to remind me of the glory days...yeah..glory days...

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:37 pm

Ok, SOMEONE had some embossing in the early 90's...damn...who was it? SOME out of the way, tiny company....damn damn damn....I KNOW someone else did.....

Oh, and by the way.....consider chromium....that is an entire COVER that's 'embossed', at the time of production. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with THAT.

dino · Post by **dino** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:19 pm

There was the Magnus #0 that was embossed with the VVSS seal. Might be that some interns stole it. Isn't there an old intern that just joined the boards.....hmm its amazing how many people are starting to get involved with these boards. We need to find people that worked at the trash company that helped clean out the offices and see if they have any bloodshot platinums

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:20 am

I'm sure if Joe Petrilak was allowed to fill up his car with stuff, that the interns & everyone else connected were also allowed their fair share of goodies. I'm sure over the course of time, word-of-mouth will bring out some of these items, eventually. At least I hope so!:)---Steve G

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:25 am

This is what happens.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... eName=WDVW

dino · Post by **dino** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:39 am

Its too bad they don't print that its part of the VVSS collection. I had secret hopes of getting the VcVSS legitimised

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:39 am

x-omatic wrote:This is what happens.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... eName=WDVW

Anyone has a better screen than me? Could it possibly say "Valiant embossment on back cover"?

/Magnus

Shakespeare · Post by **Shakespeare** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:42 am

Shoot, should have kept that Timewalker #1 VVSS! Well, sets, have a go!

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