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[myron]

oooooohhhhh...I forgot completely about number 9...that's huge....this should be kept for posterity (sp)

[Vault-Keeper]

see, you're simply lashing out immaturely at anyone and anything who "dares" to have the stones to call you on your behavior.

No...I am simply frustrated at the lack of several very simple answers from the new owners that I believe are not out of line to be answered, IMO.

let me break this down to it's simplest components for you...you ready?

1. you've been a complete jerk for absolutely no reason.

See my statement above for the answer to this one.

2. any disagreements you've had with others have always degenerated into completely innappropriate comments and sentiments.

I have been the picture of restraint up until yesterday's blow-out. It has NOT been me who has posted over 100 depairaging remarks and jabs to EVERY post I've made this past week. I'll give you three guess who, and the first two don't count.

3. despite knowing that there are people here who don't dig on you, you continue to attempt to interact with them...even though you've been asked to stop on numerous occasions.

Again, see above statement for the answer to this one. Both ZWH & X-Omatic have been told NOT to interact with me, yet BOTH of them started their instigations against me, with no apparent reprecussions for doing so.

4. you've nearly been banned for this behavior on at least 3 occasions...not counting this one.

And X-Omatic was equally as banned last Fall for not knowing when to stop. ZWH has been on the brink of banishment many times, and not just for arguing with me. He even starts things over at Lyria, with his current sig as living proof.

5. you're extremely knowledgable and a potentially vaulable member of our community but you insist on making things difficult for not only yourself but the rest of us.

Thanks for the compliment. I am sorry I can be so headstrong. I will try to improve on this.

6. nearly every comment or compliment is followed by a backhanded jab...which may or may not be meant as a good natured rib.

Yes, at times I am guilty of this. But I am certainly not the only one. I think we have ALL been guilty of this at times.

7. you fail to understand that "good natured ribs" directed towards people you've had problems with or have been asked to not interact with come across as anything but good natured.

I can only take so many pokes before I poke back. I think 100 might have been my limit this week.

8. you absolutely refuse to accept any blame whatsoever for YOUR actions but instead play the "poor me, i get picked on all the time" card.

I accept blame when I feel it's justified. Once again, it takes TWO (or more) to Tango, and there always seems to be PLENTY of this messy blame to go around.

9. the origin of the vcvss and magnus #0 has *SQUEE* you off at dino so severely that you carry that displeasure to this day...mainly because you claim the concept was yours and you received no recognition for it.

Yes, it did upset me to be excluded for instant "IN"'s on projects like other Poject Co-Ordinators were allowed "IN" on. Dino didn't know what to do with those books until after he PM'd me for MY IDEAS. I still have the PM saved to back my statement up. I am NOT currently upset with Dino over the Magnus #0 project. I have had several disappointing interactions with him over the past year that have built up alot of frustrations in me. BUT that's just me, and I know now just to keep my mouth shut about things that haven't been exposed yet on the board. I consider it a lesson learned.

10. it is a known fact that nearly all polls will have the "i like ice cream" quotient...this has nothing to do with vault, just breaking the monotony of this list.

Pizza flavored Ice Cream was MY idea...

why is it so hard for you to simply conduct yourself in a more dignified and respectful manner?

if one of your "adversaries" says something that gets you riled up then why not simply try a new tactic...one that doesn't stem from elementary school.

I'm rubber, you're glue....oh hell, OK, I'll give it a try....

i think we'd all like to see you give it a try.

Well, I'm adding "The Secret Origin Of Magnus" to the Handbook Forum today, and I plan on adding VCB info to the books they relate to in the re-reading forums, including stuff on "Magic In The Valiant Universe" and "The Book Of Geomancers". Both should be steps in the positive direction.

[x-omatic]

see, you're simply lashing out immaturely at anyone and anything who "dares" to have the stones to call you on your behavior.

No...I am simply frustrated at the lack of several very simple answers from the new owners that I believe are not out of line to be answered, IMO.

SO since they don't answer a question you have that is cause to start a smear campain against them. I see.

let me break this down to it's simplest components for you...you ready?

1. you've been a complete jerk for absolutely no reason.

See my statement above for the answer to this one.

SO since they don't answer a question you have that is cause to start a smear campain against them. I see.

2. any disagreements you've had with others have always degenerated into completely innappropriate comments and sentiments.

I have been the picture of restraint up until yesterday's blow-out. It has NOT been me who has posted over 100 depairaging remarks and jabs to EVERY post I've made this past week. I'll give you three guess who, and the first two don't count.

You are the one making personal attacks and sending PMs knowning that myslef and ZWH have both requested no contact from you.

3. despite knowing that there are people here who don't dig on you, you continue to attempt to interact with them...even though you've been asked to stop on numerous occasions.

Again, see above statement for the answer to this one. Both ZWH & X-Omatic have been told NOT to interact with me, yet BOTH of them started their instigations against me, with no apparent reprecussions for doing so.

When you make reference to ZWH, myself, or take a dump on something possitive on these boards I am sure you will hear it all again. Things is, now it is not just 2 people.

4. you've nearly been banned for this behavior on at least 3 occasions...not counting this one.

And X-Omatic was equally as banned last Fall for not knowing when to stop. ZWH has been on the brink of banishment many times, and not just for arguing with me. He even starts things over at Lyria, with his current sig as living proof.

He was talking about you. Others actions are not related. Take ownership of your actions why don't you. Which sig are you refering to?

The one on Lyria has been "Until the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes....." for a very long time. And the one on here is a quote from night in another thread. How am I starting things at Lyria? Seeing how until yesterday my last post there was Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:36 pm?

5. you're extremely knowledgable and a potentially vaulable member of our community but you insist on making things difficult for not only yourself but the rest of us.

Thanks for the compliment. I am sorry I can be so headstrong. I will try to improve on this.

6. nearly every comment or compliment is followed by a backhanded jab...which may or may not be meant as a good natured rib.

Yes, at times I am guilty of this. But I am certainly not the only one. I think we have ALL been guilty of this at times.

Others do it so its ok for me to do it.

7. you fail to understand that "good natured ribs" directed towards people you've had problems with or have been asked to not interact with come across as anything but good natured.

I can only take so many pokes before I poke back. I think 100 might have been my limit this week.

You can lie to yourself all you want. Facts are facts.

8. you absolutely refuse to accept any blame whatsoever for YOUR actions but instead play the "poor me, i get picked on all the time" card.

I accept blame when I feel it's justified. Once again, it takes TWO (or more) to Tango, and there always seems to be PLENTY of this messy blame to go around.

If you think you can throw crap around and not have it hit you in the face you are mistaken.

9. the origin of the vcvss and magnus #0 has *SQUEE* you off at dino so severely that you carry that displeasure to this day...mainly because you claim the concept was yours and you received no recognition for it.

Yes, it did upset me to be excluded for instant "IN"'s on projects like other Poject Co-Ordinators were allowed "IN" on. Dino didn't know what to do with those books until after he PM'd me for MY IDEAS. I still have the PM saved to back my statement up. I am NOT currently upset with Dino over the Magnus #0 project. I have had several disappointing interactions with him over the past year that have built up alot of frustrations in me. BUT that's just me, and I know now just to keep my mouth shut about things that haven't been exposed yet on the board. I consider it a lesson learned.

Blah blah blah...its a broken record.

10. it is a known fact that nearly all polls will have the "i like ice cream" quotient...this has nothing to do with vault, just breaking the monotony of this list.

Pizza flavored Ice Cream was MY idea...

why is it so hard for you to simply conduct yourself in a more dignified and respectful manner?

if one of your "adversaries" says something that gets you riled up then why not simply try a new tactic...one that doesn't stem from elementary school.

I'm rubber, you're glue....oh hell, OK, I'll give it a try....

i think we'd all like to see you give it a try.

Well, I'm adding "The Secret Origin Of Magnus" to the Handbook Forum today, and I plan on adding VCB info to the books they relate to in the re-reading forums, including stuff on "Magic In The Valiant Universe" and "The Book Of Geomancers". Both should be steps in the positive direction.

"pats self on back"....Good job

[cinlach@aol.com]

the key is that it's entirely possible to strongly disagree with someone and yet not get personal or antagonistic with them.

dawg and i have disagreed on several occasions...we don't bash each other non-stop. i respect chad's opinion and while i don't necessarily share it on occasion neither of us have felt the need to get nasty.

heath and i currently disagree on the dixie chicks thread...neither of us are name-calling or starting trouble between each other.

this is not meant as a bash steve...i don't even know you. i'm certainly not going to take anything written on an internet message board as a personal affront.

all i'm suggesting is that while there are times that wearing your heart on your sleeve is admirable and honorable, sometimes it's best to simply stop and think about not only what you're about to say but HOW you're saying it.

i've asked a good deal of questions about the new valiant ownership as well...a good number of us have. none of us have received answers...notice that only a very few of us are calling dinesh out over it.

when he CAN tell us something he WILL.

how stupid would you feel if you had bought the company, then spent the next 12 months spilling every detail of your plans and giving away potentially confidential information only to have it negatively impact your plans or even cost you not only your investment but the entire company to boot?

is that really the way you'd proceed?

or would you instead protect your investment by making sure, then double sure and then finally triple sure that everything was covered before saying a word?

dude, if i had forked out that kind of cash (regardless of whether i came by it from family, friends, lottery, male prostituion or bank robbery) i'd make damn sure i didn't stub my toe, drop the whole thing and ruin it all.

come on...stop pulling against us steve, we've got enough negativity going on right now with the whole justin situation...we don't need this too.

i think that zeph, x-o and you are ALL baiting each other. it's no secret you've all had severe issues in the past and frankly you don't like each other even a little bit.

but someone needs to be the first to stop this mess...now who will it be?

[Vault-Keeper]

Very nice PM sent to cinlach.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

oooooohhhhh...I forgot completely about number 9...that's huge....this should be kept for posterity (sp)

And just WHO was the mastermind behind #10....?

[400yrs]

9. the origin of the vcvss and magnus #0 has *SQUEE* you off at dino so severely that you carry that displeasure to this day...mainly because you claim the concept was yours and you received no recognition for it.

Huh? Dino did that book.

[cinlach@aol.com]

steve and i are settled...i do sincerely want to get along with everyone here.

while i may not agree with everyone here or the things they say, i can certainly respect their right to say it.

so if steve posts something i don't agree with i'll be sure to make my opinion known...but nothing says that it has to be a personal attack against him or there has to be one in his response to me.

i feel confident that we can treat each other with respect and still hold a contrary view on any particular issue.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

see, you're simply lashing out immaturely at anyone and anything who "dares" to have the stones to call you on your behavior.

No...I am simply frustrated at the lack of several very simple answers from the new owners that I believe are not out of line to be answered, IMO.

let me break this down to it's simplest components for you...you ready?

1. you've been a complete jerk for absolutely no reason.

See my statement above for the answer to this one.

2. any disagreements you've had with others have always degenerated into completely innappropriate comments and sentiments.

I have been the picture of restraint up until yesterday's blow-out. It has NOT been me who has posted over 100 depairaging remarks and jabs to EVERY post I've made this past week. I'll give you three guess who, and the first two don't count.

This is false, both on the issues of "picture of restraint" and "depairaging" (I think he means "disparaging"), remarks. Calling a person out on bad behavior is not "posting over 100 disparaging remarks.

As I noted before, this latest dust up started with Veek two ways:

1. His out of left field assault (for assault it was) on Dino, sans valid cause.

2. His need to interact with me in the "Do you want Jim Shooter to be involved" thread.

The first of which, of course, I had absolutely nothing to do with.

After your "You won't have Vee-Kay to kick around anymore" speech, I thought you were gone. Shoot. I was all excited.

And I thought you were LEAVING???

Do what you said you would do and LEAVE.

3. despite knowing that there are people here who don't dig on you, you continue to attempt to interact with them...even though you've been asked to stop on numerous occasions.

Again, see above statement for the answer to this one. Both ZWH & X-Omatic have been told NOT to interact with me, yet BOTH of them started their instigations against me, with no apparent reprecussions for doing so.

Again, this is false. Veek's "smear" comments directed at me, when I had made no comment to or about him, in the Jim Shooter thread is what launched this latest one, much like all the rest of them.

Please....stop....rewriting...the...facts.

And I thought you were LEAVING???

Do what you said you would do and LEAVE.

4. you've nearly been banned for this behavior on at least 3 occasions...not counting this one.

And X-Omatic was equally as banned last Fall for not knowing when to stop. ZWH has been on the brink of banishment many times, and not just for arguing with me. He even starts things over at Lyria, with his current sig as living proof.

Another lie. Absolute horse manure. This is exactly what Cinlach.....and everyone else...is talking about, Veek. EXACTLY.

Isn't it ASTONISHING that you just....CANNOT....get it?

As far as "being on the brink of banishment"...."almost" only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. You HAVE been banned, not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES, and you had the audacity to sneak back here with another name, DURING YOUR SUSPENSION, thereby spitting on Greg and Greg's rules, and then lying about it.

It's only because Greg DESPISES confrontation that he overlooked that little gem.

And has anyone ever heard of "dead proof"?

And I thought you were LEAVING???

Do what you said you would do and LEAVE.

5. you're extremely knowledgable and a potentially vaulable member of our community but you insist on making things difficult for not only yourself but the rest of us.

Thanks for the compliment. I am sorry I can be so headstrong. I will try to improve on this.

Hollow words.

And I thought you were LEAVING???

Do what you said you would do and LEAVE.

6. nearly every comment or compliment is followed by a backhanded jab...which may or may not be meant as a good natured rib.

Yes, at times I am guilty of this. But I am certainly not the only one. I think we have ALL been guilty of this at times.

Spin spin spin spin spin..."at times". No, see, we ALL have NOT been guilty of this....do you know why not?

Because this is what MEAN SPIRITED people do, not normal people.

People with a ROTTEN SPIRIT do this to others.

And I thought you were LEAVING???

Do what you said you would do and LEAVE.

7. you fail to understand that "good natured ribs" directed towards people you've had problems with or have been asked to not interact with come across as anything but good natured.

I can only take so many pokes before I poke back. I think 100 might have been my limit this week.

You were ignored....as in NOT REFERRED TO IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, MANNER, OR FORM in ANY public (and, for the most part, private)....for MONTHS and MONTHS and MONTHS and MONTHS.

YOU broke the mutual ignore agreement. YOU did.

For you to then whine about "I can only take so many pokes before I poke back" should read "I can only take so many pokes before I poke back first."

And this "100" number is a fiction, created in your head for more sensationalism.

And I thought you were LEAVING???

Do what you said you would do and LEAVE.

8. you absolutely refuse to accept any blame whatsoever for YOUR actions but instead play the "poor me, i get picked on all the time" card.

I accept blame when I feel it's justified.

Which is never. Not once. Ever.

And I thought you were LEAVING???

Do what you said you would do and LEAVE.

Once again, it takes TWO (or more) to Tango, and there always seems to be PLENTY of this messy blame to go around.

Yes, but it only takes ONE PERSON to light the match. That person...INVARIABLY...is YOU.

And I thought you were LEAVING???

Do what you said you would do and LEAVE.

9. the origin of the vcvss and magnus #0 has *SQUEE* you off at dino so severely that you carry that displeasure to this day...mainly because you claim the concept was yours and you received no recognition for it.

Yes, it did upset me to be excluded for instant "IN"'s on projects like other Poject Co-Ordinators were allowed "IN" on.

Wow.

MIND boggling.

ASTONISHING.

You did NOTHING on the project....NOTHING....and you feel SLIGHTED because you weren't given an automatic "in"???

Can you say SELF CENTERED????

Dino didn't know what to do with those books until after he PM'd me for MY IDEAS. I still have the PM saved to back my statement up.

Yeah, ok, like THAT'S credible.

I am NOT currently upset with Dino over the Magnus #0 project.

Notice the clever use of the word "currently" (as in, could become upset at some point in the future) instead of the word "anymore" (as in, over, done, finito.)

I have had several disappointing interactions with him over the past year that have built up alot of frustrations in me. BUT that's just me, and I know now just to keep my mouth shut about things that haven't been exposed yet on the board. I consider it a lesson learned.[/i]

And yet, here you are, with your gums flapping yet again....

Someone hit the needle, this record's broken.

10. it is a known fact that nearly all polls will have the "i like ice cream" quotient...this has nothing to do with vault, just breaking the monotony of this list.

Pizza flavored Ice Cream was MY idea...

No one finds comments like this funny in this situation.

why is it so hard for you to simply conduct yourself in a more dignified and respectful manner?

if one of your "adversaries" says something that gets you riled up then why not simply try a new tactic...one that doesn't stem from elementary school.

I'm rubber, you're glue....oh hell, OK, I'll give it a try....

No one finds comments like this funny in this situation.

i think we'd all like to see you give it a try.

Well, I'm adding "The Secret Origin Of Magnus" to the Handbook Forum today, and I plan on adding VCB info to the books they relate to in the re-reading forums, including stuff on "Magic In The Valiant Universe" and "The Book Of Geomancers". Both should be steps in the positive direction.

Not posting crap like entire post this would also be a positive step.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

i think that zeph, x-o and you are ALL baiting each other. it's no secret you've all had severe issues in the past and frankly you don't like each other even a little bit.

but someone needs to be the first to stop this mess...now who will it be?

Here's a crazy *SQUEE* suggestion: why doesn't Veek JUST NOT INTERACT WITH THOSE HE KNOWS DO NOT LIKE HIM??

Why on EARTH is this such an INCREDIBLY controversial concept??

And....why don't all of YOU, when you SEE the bait laid, SAY something and put an end to it RIGHT THERE??

There is NOTHING....not a DAMN THING....Veek has to say to ME....or X-O....or MANY OTHER people on this board...not a comment, not an attack, not a "good natured rib"...NOTHING.

And, for several months, he was able to ABIDE by that....

So....WHAT CHANGED that he felt the need to END that QUITE successful NON-interaction? Who knows?

The Jim Shooter thread that is now in TO.

Do you KNOW how many people ignore me? I'm pretty confident the number's GREATER than FIVE. But none of you really KNOWS that, do you?

And you know WHY no one knows that....?

Because THEY and I are MAN ENOUGH to HONOR the mutual ignore.

IMAGINE...THAT!

So...please none of you try to make this about Veek and ME, or Veek and X-O. It's JUST VEEK. Sorry, but we are BIT PLAYERS in THIS particular act of the drama.

[400yrs]

Because THEY and I are MAN ENOUGH to HONOR the mutual ignore.

So to be a man, one must ignore ZWH. Got it.

[depluto]

Because THEY and I are MAN ENOUGH to HONOR the mutual ignore.

So to be a man, one must ignore ZWH. Got it.

I can't figure out who is ignoring who. Are you ignoring me?

[400yrs]

Because THEY and I are MAN ENOUGH to HONOR the mutual ignore.

So to be a man, one must ignore ZWH. Got it.

I can't figure out who is ignoring who. Are you ignoring me?

When I post, sometimes I'll ignore myself.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Because THEY and I are MAN ENOUGH to HONOR the mutual ignore.

So to be a man, one must ignore ZWH. Got it.

Um. No.

To be a man, one must honor a gentleman's agreement when it's clear that neither party can interact without conflict.

[400yrs]

Um. No.

To be a man, one must honor a gentleman's agreement when it's clear that neither party can interact without conflict.

Ah. The honoring of the agreement. Got it.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Um. No.

To be a man, one must honor a gentleman's agreement when it's clear that neither party can interact without conflict.

Ah. The honoring of the agreement. Got it.

I think it's pretty fair.....

[cinlach@aol.com]

zeph, i wasn't trying to insinuate that you or x-o were the impetus of this latest round of craziness...only that the 3 of you have had a vocal history in the past.

please don't take that as a slap...it was not meant that way at all.

steve and i had a public discussion and then we had a private one, so i'm hopeful that things will get better now...this negative vibe has got to change.

[hillmanthe2nd]

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Anyway...I will be there this year as well! Woo Hoo!