Valid Bloodshot question

[OmenSpirits.com]

The nanites in his system only works for harbingers, right?

So, what was his powers before he gained the nanites?

[slym2none]

Proably heightened strength and endurance... but, very good question.

Was this ever addressed???



-slym

[Dr. Solar]

I thought his Harbinger power was his ability to communicate with machines. His "tech-apathic" ability or whatever they called it. I thought that was what made him able to control the nanites, instead of them turning him into a zombie or whatever happened to the others.

[slym2none]

Or maybe he had an innate knowledge of all weapons and techniques, sharpshooting and such.

Hey, Chiclo could be Bloodshot!!!





-slym

[Dr. Solar]

No, I'm pretty sure I was right. I think they reveal this in Secrets of the Valiant Universe 1.

[slym2none]

No, I'm pretty sure I was right. I think they reveal this in Secrets of the Valiant Universe 1.

Not doubting you by any means... but how does that explain Takao being able to survive the nanites? His Harbinger ability was charisma and leadership/morale.





-slym (is feeling the inner geek awaken within)

[Dr. Solar]

No, I'm pretty sure I was right. I think they reveal this in Secrets of the Valiant Universe 1.

Not doubting you by any means... but how does that explain Takao being able to survive the nanites? His Harbinger ability was charisma and leadership/morale.





-slym (is feeling the inner geek awaken within)

Bloodshot taught the nanites how to be nice so they wouldn't turn people into Speedshots.

btw, it is telling of this site that this topic had to be titled Valid Bloodshot Question

[slym2none]

No, I'm pretty sure I was right. I think they reveal this in Secrets of the Valiant Universe 1.

Not doubting you by any means... but how does that explain Takao being able to survive the nanites? His Harbinger ability was charisma and leadership/morale.





-slym (is feeling the inner geek awaken within)

Bloodshot taught the nanites how to be nice so they wouldn't turn people into Speedshots.

Cool! I did not know that.

btw, it is telling of this site that this topic had to be titled Valid Bloodshot Question

I noticed that but failed to make comment on it...





-slym

[OmenSpirits.com]

Hey........um, i don't know. valid just popped into my head.

[magnusr]

No, I'm pretty sure I was right. I think they reveal this in Secrets of the Valiant Universe 1.

[Edit - this needed a spoiler warning]


They do, but not in clear words. Geoff says he thinks it's because he's a Harbinger and also says that his Harbinger ability is to control machines. He does however not say specifically that only that kind of Harbingers can survive the operation, nor even that it's only Harbingers.

At the end of the series, they said it was a question of DNA structure. Even Jillian could transform as there was a resemblance between DNA encoded in the nanites and DNA produced through Hope and Glory.

I think it's safe to say that any Harbinger can use the nanites.

/Magnus

[Dr. Solar]

No, I'm pretty sure I was right. I think they reveal this in Secrets of the Valiant Universe 1.

They do, but not in clear words. Geoff says he thinks it's because he's a Harbinger and also says that his Harbinger ability is to control machines. He does however not say specifically that only that kind of Harbingers can survive the operation, nor even that it's only Harbingers.

At the end of the series, they said it was a question of DNA structure. Even Jillian could transform as there was a resemblance between DNA encoded in the nanites and DNA produced through Hope and Glory.

I think it's safe to say that any Harbinger can use the nanites.

/Magnus

Sweet! Haven't read to the end of that series yet.

[Chiclo]

Or maybe he had an innate knowledge of all weapons and techniques, sharpshooting and such.

Hey, Chiclo could be Bloodshot!!!





-slym

The spirit is there, but I am a terrible shot with a pistol.

[Chiclo]

No, I'm pretty sure I was right. I think they reveal this in Secrets of the Valiant Universe 1.

[Edit - this needed a spoiler warning]


They do, but not in clear words. Geoff says he thinks it's because he's a Harbinger and also says that his Harbinger ability is to control machines. He does however not say specifically that only that kind of Harbingers can survive the operation, nor even that it's only Harbingers.

At the end of the series, they said it was a question of DNA structure. Even Jillian could transform as there was a resemblance between DNA encoded in the nanites and DNA produced through Hope and Glory.

I think it's safe to say that any Harbinger can use the nanites.

/Magnus

It's all about that H-gene.

[Blood of Heroes]

As I understood it, Angelo Mortalli was a regular guy but had latent harbinger powers. Only Omega Harbingers' powers manifest themselves on their own. Everyone else needed Harada or Sting to bring out the powers. The other way was to have a traumatic event trigger the powers, like Archer nearly being burned alive by his parents or Mortalli being experimented on by project Rising Spirit. As luck would have it, Mortalli's latent harbinger powers were being able to control machines (like AX), enabling him to survive the nanites and become Bloodshot. Jillian and Takao survived the nanites because the nanites had been programmed or whatever by Bloodshot so they wouldn't fry whoever they were in. That's why the Blood of Heroes was so sought after.


At least that's what I've always thought about the whole subject.

[Shakespeare]

As I understood it, Angelo Mortalli was a regular guy but had latent harbinger powers. Only Omega Harbingers' powers manifest themselves on their own. Everyone else needed Harada or Sting to bring out the powers. The other way was to have a traumatic event trigger the powers, like Archer nearly being burned alive by his parents or Mortalli being experimented on by project Rising Spirit. As luck would have it, Mortalli's latent harbinger powers were being able to control machines (like AX), enabling him to survive the nanites and become Bloodshot. Jillian and Takao survived the nanites because the nanites had been programmed or whatever by Bloodshot so they wouldn't fry whoever they were in. That's why the Blood of Heroes was so sought after.

I believe you are right, though I don't think that Bloodshot programmed the nanites to be nice.

I think the nanites absorbed his ability to control machines, therefore passing that ability on to Takao. At the same time you receive the nanites that should start to fry you, you also receive the ability to control them and tell them to not fry you.

I don't think you have to be a harbinger to survive. Any human could be injected with it and survive.

[Chiclo]

I don't think you have to be a harbinger to survive. Any human could be injected with it and survive.

You mean... other than Chuck Norris.

[magnusr]

[Possible spoilers]

Bloodshot, after Jillian gets nanites: They make your body run at an accelerated rate. I'm different. Something called a Harbinger -- that's what keeps me alive.

Dr: There's a previously unrecorded gene in her DNA sequence...it now appears to be active.

Bloodshot: The code is a reference to part of the original gene-sequence in my nanites

The original supplementary DNA string encoded in my nanites

Thank God she had that weird gene in her DNA. Now at least she has a chance.

Jillian: I'm going to die, beause I'm not a Harbinger like you

Bloodshot: The genetic imbalance between nanites and human DNA is usually fatal. But I found an anomally in your DNA.

/Magnus

[siren3-4]

Thanks Magnus !!

[X-O Dudeowar]

I don't think you have to be a harbinger to survive. Any human could be injected with it and survive.

You mean... other than Chuck Norris.

But can the nanites survive Chuck Norris?

[Daniel Jackson]

I don't think you have to be a harbinger to survive. Any human could be injected with it and survive.

You mean... other than Chuck Norris.

But can the nanites survive Chuck Norris?

Sure, as long as they don't create a website and make fun of him....

Don't make fun of Chuck...

[Shakespeare]

[Possible spoilers]

Bloodshot, after Jillian gets nanites: They make your body run at an accelerated rate. I'm different. Something called a Harbinger -- that's what keeps me alive.

Dr: There's a previously unrecorded gene in her DNA sequence...it now appears to be active.

Bloodshot: The code is a reference to part of the original gene-sequence in my nanites

The original supplementary DNA string encoded in my nanites

Thank God she had that weird gene in her DNA. Now at least she has a chance.

Jillian: I'm going to die, beause I'm not a Harbinger like you

Bloodshot: The genetic imbalance between nanites and human DNA is usually fatal. But I found an anomally in your DNA.

/Magnus

I was almost willing to concede that you have to be a harbinger to accept the blood and not become a Speedshot. But then I read the issues, and it states that Jillian isn't a harbinger. The anomaly Bloodshot was talking about was the Nazi experiment that she and Ninjak underwent.

Heck, I'm pretty sure Bloodshot was just pulling the idea out of his butt that the only reason he survived was because he was a harbinger (he said "because I'm a harbinger," not "because of my harbinger ability.") Remember, when Bloodshot was relating all of this to her, he had no idea that his blood and nanites had absorbed his computer-controlling abilities yet.

Jillian was the first person to get Bloodshot's nanites, which were by that time very different nanites that anyone else had ever gotten. He was assuming that it was the genetic anomaly saving her...but perhaps it was just taking her a while to get the nanites in order (you could argue that the doctor helped her in #43 by creating that "strain," but they never explained exactly what he was doing. Strain for what? Was he doing DNA coding in 20 minutes? Sloppy writing)

Anyway, I like my version better,:P where anyone, harbinger or not, can accept the blood of heroes and live. After all, which makes more sense, that Bloodshot survived simply because he was a harbinger, or that he survived because of the specific ability he had to be able to tame the nanites?

Q: When did Bloodshot find out he was a harbinger?

Finally, does the Valiant Continuity Bible say anything about it?

[magnusr]

it states that Jillian isn't a harbinger. The anomaly Bloodshot was talking about was the Nazi experiment that she and Ninjak underwent.

Absolutely. The British were reviving a nazi experiment, calling it Hope and Glory.

Heck, I'm pretty sure Bloodshot was just pulling the idea out of his butt that the only reason he survived was because he was a harbinger

Yeah, I considered that myself. I figured the best was to just present what was said, for everyone to judge. He does base his ideas on files he has stored, but it is still his conclusions.

Jillian was the first person to get Bloodshot's nanites, which were by that time very different nanites that anyone else had ever gotten.

Good thinking.

they never explained exactly what he [the dr] was doing. Strain for what?

I wondered that myself.

Q: When did Bloodshot find out he was a harbinger?

Interesting question. There's much we don't know about what happened after Geoff freed him. I would guess he got the info then.

Finally, does the Valiant Continuity Bible say anything about it?

Mortelli was the only being to survive the empirical process becuse he is a latent Harbinger. This has not been brought out in the storyline as of yet

/Magnus

[slym2none]

EXCELLENT posts, Magnusr!!!





-slym

[xodacia81]

This storyline was always bothersome AND great at the same time, for me. I loved the series, and the thought of another "Bloodshot" was interesting, but then they went and fupped major duck by having her turn all whiney and everything.