Hmm... Looks like the hype is helping prices!

kikitwitme · Post by **kikitwitme** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:59 am

Ouch!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0116660044
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0114215745
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0116660265

Same seller and buyer. Hope the buyer asked for combined shipping.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:05 pm

whetteon wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/Bloodshot-0-GOLD-La ... dZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... &rd=1&rd=1

Please help me out here... I don't get it...

whovianone · Post by **whovianone** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:50 pm

Zero wrote:
whetteon wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/Bloodshot-0-GOLD-La ... dZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... &rd=1&rd=1

Please help me out here... I don't get it...

Yup, and a MOTA set went for nearly $200. Not bad:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VALIANT-COMICS-Sola ... dZViewItem

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:59 pm

I just don't get how I can get a CGC 9.8 of a book & at almost the same time the book goes HIGHER raw in another auction. It's just madness...

whovianone · Post by **whovianone** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:08 pm

That kinda crazy bidding seems to be happening more often lately.

greg · Post by **greg** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:37 pm

Zero wrote:I just don't get how I can get a CGC 9.8 of a book & at almost the same time the book goes HIGHER raw in another auction. It's just madness...

CGC graded books are a "smaller market" because you have to know what CGC is... which rules out some potential buyers.
Then you have to agree that CGC is right for you... which rules out some more potential buyers.

Anytime a book sells for "a whole lot more" than it normally does,
you can assume that the bidder(s) aren't aware of "normal".

Anyone who's not aware of "normal" doesn't fit normal patterns/logic/expectations... except by chance.

You're really asking, "Why do some people pay so much for things that normally sell for so much less?"

If there was any logical answer to that question, QVC would be out of business.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:41 pm

greg wrote:
Zero wrote:I just don't get how I can get a CGC 9.8 of a book & at almost the same time the book goes HIGHER raw in another auction. It's just madness...
CGC graded books are a "smaller market" because you have to know what CGC is... which rules out some potential buyers.
Then you have to agree that CGC is right for you... which rules out some more potential buyers.

Anytime a book sells for "a whole lot more" than it normally does,
you can assume that the bidder(s) aren't aware of "normal".

Anyone who's not aware of "normal" doesn't fit normal patterns/logic/expectations... except by chance.

You're really asking, "Why do some people pay so much for things that normally sell for so much less?"

If there was any logical answer to that question, QVC would be out of business.

There are two points I'd change about that.

1. Takes two to drive a bid up. Assuming no schilling, two people who don't know what they are bidding on are bidding.

2. I was going to do something making fun of people who prefer PGX over CGC... but PGX pretty much makes fun of itself.

*SQUEE* · Post by ***SQUEE*** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:45 am

Jay Tomio wrote:Sorry no link, but yesterday I saw someone grab a Rai#4 9.8 for like $115.00 on the bay.

Thought that was a Rai #3. I was bidding on it.

cshepard81 · Post by **cshepard81** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:17 am

Jay Tomio wrote:
*SQUEE* wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:Sorry no link, but yesterday I saw someone grab a Rai#4 9.8 for like $115.00 on the bay.
Thought that was a Rai #3. I was bidding on it.
Yeah it was - a mistake on my part.

At any rate it was won on the cheap. People who are seeking it really missed out.

This one http://cgi.ebay.com/Rai-3-CGC-9-8_W0QQi ... dZViewItem went even cheaper.
As far as Rai #3 CGC 9.8s go, that's a pretty good price, but as far as I'm concerned, that's still pretty steep for a Rai #3 when raws haven't been going for much more than $20 lately. Usually I pass when I see high grade slabs because I'm not interested in paying a premium.
I missed this particular auction, but these are the ones I try to stick to:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Valiant-lot-21-X-O- ... dZViewItem

whovianone · Post by **whovianone** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:25 am

palls15 wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:
*SQUEE* wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:Sorry no link, but yesterday I saw someone grab a Rai#4 9.8 for like $115.00 on the bay.
Thought that was a Rai #3. I was bidding on it.
Yeah it was - a mistake on my part.

At any rate it was won on the cheap. People who are seeking it really missed out.
This one http://cgi.ebay.com/Rai-3-CGC-9-8_W0QQi ... dZViewItem went even cheaper.
As far as Rai #3 CGC 9.8s go, that's a pretty good price, but as far as I'm concerned, that's still pretty steep for a Rai #3 when raws haven't been going for much more than $20 lately. Usually I pass when I see high grade slabs because I'm not interested in paying a premium.
I missed this particular auction, but these are the ones I try to stick to:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Valiant-lot-21-X-O- ... dZViewItem

That second one was a pretty good deal, and had by one of our new members.

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:08 am

Jay Tomio wrote:
palls15 wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:
*SQUEE* wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:Sorry no link, but yesterday I saw someone grab a Rai#4 9.8 for like $115.00 on the bay.
Thought that was a Rai #3. I was bidding on it.
Yeah it was - a mistake on my part.

At any rate it was won on the cheap. People who are seeking it really missed out.
This one http://cgi.ebay.com/Rai-3-CGC-9-8_W0QQi ... dZViewItem went even cheaper.
As far as Rai #3 CGC 9.8s go, that's a pretty good price, but as far as I'm concerned, that's still pretty steep for a Rai #3 when raws haven't been going for much more than $20 lately. Usually I pass when I see high grade slabs because I'm not interested in paying a premium.
I missed this particular auction, but these are the ones I try to stick to:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Valiant-lot-21-X-O- ... dZViewItem
I'm done with EBAY lots myself. Usually I find myself banking on just one of the books being in High grade and being left with a bunch of VF's or NM-'s that just aren't what I desire to collect.

Paying for the slab is as much about paying for the privilege of assuring getting what you paid for in a grade that is essentially recognized by the industry. Obviously there is human error at time but for the overwhelming majority of the time a 9.6 plus CGC books is what I would consider a HG book and one I'm pleased with. I have actually found it cheaper just to buy the slab than to go hit and miss the raw route with lots.

Amen to that, brother!

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:27 am

whovianone wrote:
palls15 wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:
*SQUEE* wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:Sorry no link, but yesterday I saw someone grab a Rai#4 9.8 for like $115.00 on the bay.
Thought that was a Rai #3. I was bidding on it.
Yeah it was - a mistake on my part.

At any rate it was won on the cheap. People who are seeking it really missed out.
This one http://cgi.ebay.com/Rai-3-CGC-9-8_W0QQi ... dZViewItem went even cheaper.
As far as Rai #3 CGC 9.8s go, that's a pretty good price, but as far as I'm concerned, that's still pretty steep for a Rai #3 when raws haven't been going for much more than $20 lately. Usually I pass when I see high grade slabs because I'm not interested in paying a premium.
I missed this particular auction, but these are the ones I try to stick to:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Valiant-lot-21-X-O- ... dZViewItem
That second one was a pretty good deal, and had by one of our new members.

I've seen just the Rai 3 go for twice the price of that whole lot.

mobstirr · Post by **mobstirr** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:36 pm

whovianone wrote:
palls15 wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:
*SQUEE* wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:Sorry no link, but yesterday I saw someone grab a Rai#4 9.8 for like $115.00 on the bay.
Thought that was a Rai #3. I was bidding on it.
Yeah it was - a mistake on my part.

At any rate it was won on the cheap. People who are seeking it really missed out.
This one http://cgi.ebay.com/Rai-3-CGC-9-8_W0QQi ... dZViewItem went even cheaper.
As far as Rai #3 CGC 9.8s go, that's a pretty good price, but as far as I'm concerned, that's still pretty steep for a Rai #3 when raws haven't been going for much more than $20 lately. Usually I pass when I see high grade slabs because I'm not interested in paying a premium.
I missed this particular auction, but these are the ones I try to stick to:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Valiant-lot-21-X-O- ... dZViewItem
That second one was a pretty good deal, and had by one of our new members.

Hooray ME!

sotu · Post by **sotu** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:13 am

Thanks for posting all those links, made for some very insightful research.

I think it's too early to tell how our books values are going to be affected by the HC but we can be sure that if a dozen or so old fans show up on ebay (at the same time) trying to get a set or worse yet horde some of the rares... we're going to see some serious price increases. I for one wouldn't mind if the old fans stayed away for a few more years.

Realistically I can see at least a few hundred new people investing a decent chunk of change to secure a Valiant Set w/ Rares. It's just the practical thing to do once you have the epiphany that Valiant was the $hit!

I personally will start getting worried when the rare golds are consistently fetching $80-100. Until then all we're seeing is the natural ebb and flow of ebay speculation. Once they get their fill they'll move on or take a break. Even mad men look at their horde and say to themselves, "self, you need to slow down on the Valiants." If not they end up divorced and living in a VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!

whovianone · Post by **whovianone** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:53 am

sotu wrote:Thanks for posting all those links, made for some very insightful research.

I think it's too early to tell how our books values are going to be affected by the HC but we can be sure that if a dozen or so old fans show up on ebay (at the same time) trying to get a set or worse yet horde some of the rares... we're going to see some serious price increases. I for one wouldn't mind if the old fans stayed away for a few more years.

Realistically I can see at least a few hundred new people investing a decent chunk of change to secure a Valiant Set w/ Rares. It's just the practical thing to do once you have the epiphany that Valiant was the $hit!

I personally will start getting worried when the rare golds are consistently fetching $80-100. Until then all we're seeing is the natural ebb and flow of ebay speculation. Once they get their fill they'll move on or take a break. Even mad men look at their horde and say to themselves, "self, you need to slow down on the Valiants." If not they end up divorced and living in a VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!

End up?

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:57 am

mobstirr wrote:
whovianone wrote:
palls15 wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:
*SQUEE* wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:Sorry no link, but yesterday I saw someone grab a Rai#4 9.8 for like $115.00 on the bay.
Thought that was a Rai #3. I was bidding on it.
Yeah it was - a mistake on my part.

At any rate it was won on the cheap. People who are seeking it really missed out.
This one http://cgi.ebay.com/Rai-3-CGC-9-8_W0QQi ... dZViewItem went even cheaper.
As far as Rai #3 CGC 9.8s go, that's a pretty good price, but as far as I'm concerned, that's still pretty steep for a Rai #3 when raws haven't been going for much more than $20 lately. Usually I pass when I see high grade slabs because I'm not interested in paying a premium.
I missed this particular auction, but these are the ones I try to stick to:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Valiant-lot-21-X-O- ... dZViewItem
That second one was a pretty good deal, and had by one of our new members.
Hooray ME!

The Mob rules.

whovianone · Post by **whovianone** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:09 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
mobstirr wrote:
whovianone wrote:
palls15 wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:
*SQUEE* wrote: Thought that was a Rai #3. I was bidding on it.
Yeah it was - a mistake on my part.

At any rate it was won on the cheap. People who are seeking it really missed out.
This one http://cgi.ebay.com/Rai-3-CGC-9-8_W0QQi ... dZViewItem went even cheaper.
As far as Rai #3 CGC 9.8s go, that's a pretty good price, but as far as I'm concerned, that's still pretty steep for a Rai #3 when raws haven't been going for much more than $20 lately. Usually I pass when I see high grade slabs because I'm not interested in paying a premium.
I missed this particular auction, but these are the ones I try to stick to:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Valiant-lot-21-X-O- ... dZViewItem
That second one was a pretty good deal, and had by one of our new members.
Hooray ME!
The Mob rules.

mobstirr · Post by **mobstirr** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:39 am

whovianone wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
mobstirr wrote:
whovianone wrote:
palls15 wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote: Yeah it was - a mistake on my part.

At any rate it was won on the cheap. People who are seeking it really missed out.
This one http://cgi.ebay.com/Rai-3-CGC-9-8_W0QQi ... dZViewItem went even cheaper.
As far as Rai #3 CGC 9.8s go, that's a pretty good price, but as far as I'm concerned, that's still pretty steep for a Rai #3 when raws haven't been going for much more than $20 lately. Usually I pass when I see high grade slabs because I'm not interested in paying a premium.
I missed this particular auction, but these are the ones I try to stick to:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Valiant-lot-21-X-O- ... dZViewItem
That second one was a pretty good deal, and had by one of our new members.
Hooray ME!
The Mob rules.

My Rai #3 arrived! About 9.2 NM-. Not bad for the price, in comparison.

I'm very happy because I've never owned this particular VALIANT book before.

mobstirr · Post by **mobstirr** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:00 pm

Talk about hype! Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... &rd=1&rd=1

whovianone · Post by **whovianone** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:09 pm

The same seller has a first Black Spidey listed for $4.99 with less than a day left with NO bids.

Talk about a mood swing in the hobby.

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:47 pm

God I really wish I'd bought more of these.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:33 pm

mobstirr wrote:Talk about hype! Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... &rd=1&rd=1

I don't know. I recognize that high bidder name as bidding on valiant books for a while. Wierd that the bidder would pay that much.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:10 pm

Not a bad price, but does anyone recognize the name of the winner?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... &rd=1&rd=1

Rai 2 and a run of Shadowman from 0 to 33 for $26. I've seen Rai 2 by itself go nearly that high.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:15 pm

Chiclo wrote:Not a bad price, but does anyone recognize the name of the winner?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... &rd=1&rd=1

Rai 2 and a run of Shadowman from 0 to 33 for $26. I've seen Rai 2 by itself go nearly that high.

Too bad the shipping is so high.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:16 pm

...which is why I did not bother bidding on it.

I just watched it to the end out of morbid curiousity.