Will we ever get the official scoop on who VIP was/were?

greg · Post by **greg** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:47 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
greg wrote:
betterthanezra wrote:
cinlach@aol.com wrote:
Geomancer wrote:Will we ever get the official scoop on who VIP was/were?
numerous VIP "tr"ashcans sold in san diego late last year came in bags bearing the freakin' dynamic forces hologram for pete's sake.
No they were not with DF logo's on the back at SDCC last year I found them at a single dealers table who got them directly from VIP's Lawyer.

he got 10 of them....sold them for $40 dollars each from what I understand he sold 8 of them at the show NO other dealers had this ashcan. They showed up at www.comiccentral.com after the show for $50 dollars each. The URL is the same dealer that had them at SDCC.

Ones that had the DF logo on the back side of the bag showed up at Wizard in Chicago I think...anyone?

-Brian
The ones with the DF logo on the back were closely related to Graham Crackers Comics,
who is rumored to have had the books printed on behalf of VIP in the first place.
Keeping in mind that ANYONE can get their hands on DF hologram stickers, and apply them, at any time, to the back of any bag.

*I* have a couple handfuls of unused DF stickers.

I could bag up Harby HC, stick one of the DF stickers on the back, and claim it came directly from them....

Would somebody buy that story...?

You know, I kinda have the feeling somebody would.

But I digress.

That's the point, though. No one did claim it.
The books just arrived with DF stickers...
Graham Crackers and DF are big buddies,
and DF has denied connection to VIP.
Why would Graham implicate his pal
(unless some clueless intern was
dropping those packages in the mail)?

You don't do that to your friend.

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:52 pm

It's well known that www.comiccentral.com is VERY close to Graham Crackers in many ways. I'm friends with the original owner of the Comiccentral URL and talked to him about this VERY subject.

-Brian

cinlach@aol.com · Post by **cinlach@aol.com** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:00 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Keeping in mind that ANYONE can get their hands on DF hologram stickers, and apply them, at any time, to the back of any bag.

*I* have a couple handfuls of unused DF stickers.

I could bag up Harby HC, stick one of the DF stickers on the back, and claim it came directly from them....

Would somebody buy that story...?

You know, I kinda have the feeling somebody would.

But I digress.

i readily admit it's EXTREMELY circumstantial...no doubt, and yes...those DF bags with stickers are easy enough to obtain.

and i apologize for the error on where they were available, i honestly thought some from san diego had shown up in DF bags...so my bad there.

again, all the evidence pointing to DF as being VIP is not conclusive, it is circumstantial...but you can be convicted by circumstantial evidence if there's enough of it.

i'm not saying things are conclusive enough to point at DF beyond a shadow of a doubt, but in my mind it's certainly enough to convince me within a reasonable doubt.

i do believe the 2 are related, much more then they would like us to know.

if at some point my theory is proven wrong, i'll gladly recant my position.

but as it stands now it's going to take a whole lot more then the head of DF saying, "we're not VIP, honest..." to convince me.

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:07 pm

As the discussion continues - its easier to see (for me at least) the value in setting the record straight. To clearly separate the parties responsible from those who are not.

I can't think off hand of anything recently with as many twists and turns as all of this.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:50 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Geomancer wrote:I'm very curious as to whether we will be getting more details as to who VIP was. I mean officially and for the record.

I'd rather discuss new upcoming valiant material of course, but for historical reasons I'd be interested in full disclosure.
VIP is a company owned and represented by cowards, so in all likelihood their identity will remain a mystery.

I agree wholeheartedly with MoTA and it just feels wrong.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:02 am

What a gay thread.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:17 am

It was just regular gay before your avatar showed up.

Now it's just... wrong.

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:25 am

depluto wrote:What a gay thread.

Thats a pretty good description of your post

But thanks for stopping by.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:32 am

Legally, no one will ever confirm ID, I suspect.

1) What VIP did was, at least on the surface, legal. Craven and icky, sure, but legal
2) A legal resolution was reached. I'm certain that confidentiality was one of the terms of that resolution

So any "confirmation" that might or might not happen will surely be attributed to anonymous "industry insiders" and/or FOAF.

The good guys won. Let's all move on, shall we?

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:12 am

Geomancer wrote:I've sent an email to that address, too.

I think an answer would provide a bit of closure and help in the process of moving forward.

In any case, that Valiant is moving forward [finally] is the crucial thing.

Is closure needed? The dispute is resolved, apparently for the best, and in favour of the (apparently) most deserving party. Will not knowing who VIP were affect enjoyment of VEI product? I doubt it. Yeah, I am curious to know, and the circumstantial evidence remains pretty formidable, but it is just that - circumstantial. Surely closure is over-egging it - the situation is resolved so let us enjoy what goodies VEI can bring us.

cinlach@aol.com · Post by **cinlach@aol.com** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:19 am

not knowing the confirmed identity of VIP doesn't keep me up at night, besides in my mind their identity is most likely known already.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:21 am

How could VEI not know who they stroked a check to? I don't really care. It's over and that's what is important. VEI more than likely will never say who it was, because there is no need for a company just starting up to burn bridges.

UnknownTales · Post by **UnknownTales** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:22 am

This thread is like someone finding out that an iceberg sunk the Titanic.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:26 am

The Leaf wrote:This thread is like someone finding out that an iceberg sunk the Titanic.

I won't bother watching that movie now, then.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:27 am

The Leaf wrote:This thread is like someone finding out that an iceberg sunk the Titanic.

So you'll obviously believe anything you're told by the Powers That Be, eh?

wrunow · Post by **wrunow** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:57 am

Someday when the files are released we will know the answer to this and also who was on the grassy knoll in Dallas.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:00 am

wrunow wrote:Someday when the files are released we will know the answer to this and also who was on the grassy knoll in Dallas.

VIP killed JFK?!? Those *SQUEE*!

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:02 am

And the Ark of the Covenant had a DF sticker on it...

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:03 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:And the Ark of the Covenant had a DF sticker on it...

Those motherlovers!

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:42 am

Geomancer wrote:
depluto wrote:What a gay thread.

Thats a pretty good description of your post

But thanks for stopping by.

I don't know what you have against gay threads, you hater!

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:59 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
The Leaf wrote:This thread is like someone finding out that an iceberg sunk the Titanic.
So you'll obviously believe anything you're told by the Powers That Be, eh?

Cor or Fatale?

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:08 am

I'd probably believe just about anything that Fatale said...

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:21 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:I'd probably believe just about anything that Fatale said...

Ditto...

-Brian

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:57 am

I guess the thread's not gay any more. And I apologize for my bad behavior here.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:57 am

The Leaf wrote:This thread is like someone finding out that an iceberg sunk the Titanic.

The Leaf cracks me up. He's been a member for 3 years, only has 115 posts.....but every now and again, he busts out with these well timed, pithy posts.....nice.

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