Will we ever get the official scoop on who VIP was/were?

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:54 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:And if you read all of that, I have a free Ninjak Gold for you...

I did read it all and thoroughly enjoyed it dude.

Many thanks for the kind offer of the free Ninjak but i already have one.

dino · Post by **dino** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:34 am

Draco wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:And if you read all of that, I have a free Ninjak Gold for you...
I did read it all and thoroughly enjoyed it dude.

Many thanks for the kind offer of the free ninjak but i already have one.

not like this you dont!

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:24 am

dino wrote:not like this you dont!

It's the grammatically correct variant.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:31 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Wow! You are like a textbook study in classic internet deflection technique! <snip>

You clearly aren't used to debating with someone who can not only debate your words, but the innuendo, implication, and psychology behind them as well, are you?

Oh, and the correct phrase is "of which you are accusing me."

Watch your preposition placement.

Heh. Like Teflon.

cinlach@aol.com · Post by **cinlach@aol.com** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:49 am

Todd Luck wrote:
cinlach@aol.com wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
cinlach@aol.com wrote:also, several of us have looked at the art in the VIP "tr"ashcan and said, "damn...that looks a lot like jae lee."

check this link homeskillet...

http://books.monstersandcritics.com/com ... ed_in_July

Dynamic Forces president Nick Barrucci said he was proud to have helped bring Hellshock back to comic-reading audiences.
"Jae is not only a top talent in this business, but he’s also a close personal friend," said Barrucci. "Working with him on this project, and presenting a completed HELLSHOCK to the fans has been a truly rewarding experience."
it's been my experience that 1 + 1 almost always = 2.

"hey jae, remember when i helped publish that hellshock book for ya? how about knocking out some 5 minutes sketches for me! you da man pal!"

suck on that VIP.
Times have changed. I remember when the ashcan first got on the internet and someone on a news site posted "That looks like Jae Lee." and people on this board accused him of being pro-VIP. LOL
frankly i could care less whether jae lee, pat lee, jim lee, bruce lee, or lee majors drew those pictures...it matters not to me.

most likely if jae lee did do that that work, he was paid for it and i doubt that would label him as "pro-vip".

now if he sought them out and offered to do the work for free then yes...that would be what i personally would call "pro-vip".

it's entirely possible that he asked personally for his name not to be associated with the project.

also, this very easily could've been some young artist who idolizes jae's style...hence the strong resemblance to his work.

i'm not going to waste time getting all worked up over who the artist was...it was crap, whoever it was...regardless of the product involved.

honestly i think the "tr"ashcan was the worst thing vip could've done...they showed everyone exactly what they were planning right there, and really...did anyone like it?

did any fan anywhere look at that monstrosity and go, "holy hell! that's badazz!"

somehow i doubt it.
Oh no, I meant the poster on the news site who pointed out the obvious ("That looks like Jae Lee") was labeled "pro-VIP." Don't recall anyone on this site bringing up the similarities in artstyle to Lee before this thread.

oops! my bad todd, i thought someone here had labeled jae as "pro-vip".

i suck.

cinlach@aol.com · Post by **cinlach@aol.com** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:54 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:And if you read all of that, I have a free Ninjak Gold for you...

pay up b!tch.

wait, no i'm lying...that made my eyes hurt.

cinlach@aol.com · Post by **cinlach@aol.com** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:01 am

i'd be surprised if priest or bright would be willing to discuss this vip situation at all.

forget a potential nda, i just think they might be tired of dealing with all this mess over something like Q&W...i mean, we're not talking watchmen here.

and for a book to be in the top 100 in 1995, does that mean they sold 5,000 copies?

impressive.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:49 am

dino wrote:
Draco wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:And if you read all of that, I have a free Ninjak Gold for you...
I did read it all and thoroughly enjoyed it dude.

Many thanks for the kind offer of the free ninjak but i already have one.

not like this you dont!

Oh no !!
Where did i go wrong?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:31 am

cinlach@aol.com wrote:i'd be surprised if priest or bright would be willing to discuss this vip situation at all

VIP did them as much wrong as they did VEI with their replacement Q&W.

Unless Priest and Bright were involved in the lawsuit along with VEI vs VIP, I don't see why they would need to stay quiet.

But be that as it may, like I said, at best Brian could get a straight answer, and at worse he'll get a "no comment".

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:37 am

Is it possible that Priest confused VIP and VEI?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:39 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:Is it possible that Priest confused VIP and VEI?

Heh, not likely.

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:56 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:Is it possible that Priest confused VIP and VEI?

No, the quote from Priest was from the morning of the auction.
VEI didn't take charge (didn't really exist) until a week or so later.
(By "didn't exist", I mean VEI wouldn't have been called VEI that early.)

In other words, VIP waited until just before the auction to file for trademarks,
then on the day of the auction they didn't attend, didn't bid,
and "released" the info about Q&W on Newsarama while
the bidders were involved in the acquisition of the assets.
(VIP had talked to Priest prior to the auction... back when Taddeo
was assumed to be the one who would win the assets.)

VIP knew exactly what they were doing, playing "spoiler"...
What VIP didn't know is that the Q&W situation wasn't how they thought it was.

TimeWillTell clarified later that Q&W belonged to Acclaim (and now VEI)
even though it appeared that there might have been a special case at one time.
VIP jumped the gun on that special case... which didn't apply anymore...
and made an announcement about the one property they thought they had.
(Actually, VIP believed Priest & Bright owned Q&W, and VIP had the trademark application.)

VIP never owned anything of content. They didn't even attempt to get content.
They attempted to register trademarks (which would be labels/titles only)
and when they couldn't get any content, they made up some ridiculous
replacements in that ashcan for the trademarks they were seeking.

They also attempted to use trademarks they didn't own in that ashcan,
so VIP was either an inept lawyer acting on his own, or a shady mystery man
who's not real bright, and a lawyer who had to try to clean up the mess.

Fanboy375 · Post by **Fanboy375** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:08 am

so just to actually stay on topic. We will probably never know who VIP is. The lawyer probably has gag orders and sealed records for all participants that probably don't expire until such time as we really wouldn't care anyway.

So now if I mentioned kicking a dead goat or something will MOTAs law take affect and lock this post so we can talk about something more relavant to the future. LOL.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:09 am

Fanboy375 wrote:so just to actually stay on topic. We will probably never know who VIP is. The lawyer probably has gag orders and sealed records for all participants that probably don't expire until such time as we really wouldn't care anyway.

So now if I mentioned kicking a dead goat or something will MOTAs law take affect and lock this post so we can talk about something more relavant to the future. LOL.

Priest might very well not be a participant who, if asked, might talk.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:36 pm

Long as they are out of the way for VE1 im not caring too much on who they were

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:02 pm

superman-prime wrote:Long as they are out of the way for VE1 im not caring too much on who they were

Ditto

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:27 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
My apologies....

This

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: I exchanged the words "Non-Disclosure Agreement"

sure

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: (which words were used when the information was related to me)

is

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: with "Confidentiality Agreement".

alot

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: I apologize for not being a lawyer,

of

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: and using the terms interchangeably.

work.

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:04 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: Wow! You are like a textbook study in classic internet deflection technique!

This is coming from a guy who resorting to literally nothing more than simple name calling just a little while back? I am guilty of choosing antagonistic wording or name calling myself, but you offer little more than that and want to publicly pat yourself on the back for your debating skill?

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: He is attempting to get the audience to think he is more "enlightened" than me, because he implies that HE is at least aware of his flaws, by "pointing out" how I remain blissfully ignorant of mine. Classic!

That’s something the ‘audience’ will have to judge for itself. If I have brought something out in Zephyr that the board has never seen before from him, then I apologize to the board. However, if this is not the first time – then what is happening now was and will continue to be inevitable.

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: Seriously, where did you learn to debate...?

You clearly aren't used to debating with someone who can not only debate your words, but the innuendo, implication, and psychology behind them as well, are you?

There is nothing overly sophisticated going on here. There is no innuendo, there are no implications or any complex psychology involved. Its a simple *SQUEE* contest.

But you’ve made this place a home and I’m not planning on going anywhere. I respect that you won’t back down and I am not going to be doing that either. I suspect you are used to people simply choosing to give up sooner or later, and that expectation is going to have to change. People like me are going to be coming out of the woodwork in greater numbers as Valiant re-emerges as a present-day publishing company.

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:11 pm

superman-prime wrote:Long as they are out of the way for VE1 im not caring too much on who they were

I can appreciate that.

If they were industry outsiders, then I would truly be unconcerned.

Perhaps with the lawsuit dropped the individuals responsible can no longer impact the production of new Valiant material or wil no longer try to.

myron · Post by **myron** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:25 pm

Geomancer wrote:
superman-prime wrote:Long as they are out of the way for VE1 im not caring too much on who they were
I can appreciate that.

If they were industry outsiders, then I would truly be unconcerned.

Perhaps with the lawsuit dropped the individuals responsible can no longer impact the production of new Valiant material or wil no longer try to.

The lawsuit wasn't dropped. It was:

Jason Kolthari wrote:“The lawsuit Valiant Entertainment filed to protects its intellectual property against VIP LLC has been resolved to Valiant Entertainment’s satisfaction. Valiant Entertainment owns all copyrights and trademarks to the Valiant and Acclaim characters, including all right, title, interest, and associated goodwill to the VIP-filed trademark applications,” said Jason Kothari, CEO of Valiant Entertainment.

there's a big difference I believe.

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:28 pm

myron wrote:
Geomancer wrote:
superman-prime wrote:Long as they are out of the way for VE1 im not caring too much on who they were
I can appreciate that.

If they were industry outsiders, then I would truly be unconcerned.

Perhaps with the lawsuit dropped the individuals responsible can no longer impact the production of new Valiant material or wil no longer try to.
The lawsuit wasn't dropped. It was:

Jason Kolthari wrote:“The lawsuit Valiant Entertainment filed to protects its intellectual property against VIP LLC has been resolved to Valiant Entertainment’s satisfaction. Valiant Entertainment owns all copyrights and trademarks to the Valiant and Acclaim characters, including all right, title, interest, and associated goodwill to the VIP-filed trademark applications,” said Jason Kothari, CEO of Valiant Entertainment.
there's a big difference I believe.

Thank you for that clarification, myron. You're right, it is a significant difference.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:06 pm

I was going to buy Zorro #1 from Dynamite tomorrow, but now I've decided against it based purely on this thread. Put that in your pipe and smoke it VIP

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:14 pm

This thread was fun and interesting

until it got long and boring

It is still mildly amusing

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:What is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting the outcome to be different the definition of.........?

Tenacity!

The Harbinger · Post by **The Harbinger** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:31 pm

too.... many.... words...

myron · Post by **myron** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:42 pm

Dr. Solar wrote:This thread was fun and interesting

until it got long and boring

It is still mildly amusing

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:What is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting the outcome to be different the definition of.........?
Tenacity!

<snort>