what the worst deal you guys ever had for a valiant comic?

deathmedal · Post by **deathmedal** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:03 pm

seeing the is a post for the best ones. mine is a valiant era collection tbp for $24.00 :x

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:21 pm

kryptonitecomics · Post by **kryptonitecomics** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:52 pm

I can't tell you what I paid for them (wasn't much) but I have 50 copies of Turok #1, Bloodshot #1, and Eternal Warrier #1

R Daneel · Post by **R Daneel** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:21 pm

kryptonitecomics wrote:I can't tell you what I paid for them (wasn't much) but I have 50 copies of Turok #1, Bloodshot #1, and Eternal Warrier #1

Ditto. I think I bought bulk packs of Turok #1, Bloodshot #1 and X-O #14/#15 looooong ago for $.50 per ... thought it was a bargain then but now I see I overpaid.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:40 pm

I think anyone who was collecting Valiants when they were hot the first time around must have some horror stories. I know I paid at least $40 each for Rai #3 and #4, all the other pre-Unity books I bought back then have high price tags, and even some of the early post-Unity books I was missing when I started collecting were quite a bit over cover price. Heck, when I look at all the comics I paid cover price for and are now basically worthless, it makes my head spin.

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 3:04 pm

I remember paying $22 for Solar #14.

It was probably early 1993.

Snakemann · Post by **Snakemann** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:44 pm

I paid $100 for a Magnus #0 (NM with card).
I refused to cut the coupons out of mine.
This was back in the 90's. That was when they were rare

dave · Post by **dave** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:49 pm

i traded a bloodshot 6 vvss for a magnus 0...probably a bad idea...

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:17 pm

Watching the price of a Death in the Family set go from $120 in 1990 to about $30 by 1992, I learned pretty quick about the cyclical value of comics, so I don't have any horror stories regarding Valiant. I paid $5 for a Harbinger #10 that I missed cause I was on tour....oh, and I traded a Fine Silver Surfer #1 (about $100 now) for a Justice League #3 Limited (about $20 now), of which I am STILL damn proud.

I DID, however, miss out on a whollllle lotta stuff because of my overly cautious buying.

Showcase #34 VF $125, 1990

Iron Fist #14 NM $20, 1990

Spidey #129 $125, 1990 (same show as IF #14)

Hulk #181 F/VF, $62, 1993

Showcase #8 Fr/G $100, 1991

(ALWAYS trade new for old. ALWAYS.

)

Literally hundreds of pre-unity books that I 'bought one of new' and put back the rest. $1.75/$1.95 for a new comic? CRACK smokers!

Same goes with almost evey 'hot book' of the 90's, Witchblade, Gen13, JLA, X-Men #266 (and I have 300 copies of #282...go figure), Ultimate Spiderman,....I'm still kicking myself over that one. The new #1 from 1999 sucked so bad....sigh.....the only consolation, of course, is that most of these books can be had for relatively little.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:53 pm

a Justice League #3 Limited (about $20 now), of which I am STILL damn proud.

I think the two variant DC covers from that time, Justice League #3 and Fury of Firestorm #61 are very underrated and a really good deal at $20. Any idea what the print runs were of those variants, Zephyr?

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:58 pm

$125 for a Harbinger #0 Pink at the first show it hit. I got my second copy for free at the '95 San Diego comic con for attending the Valiant panel. They had a stack of Harbinger and Rai 0's they were handing out at the door as you left.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:52 pm

Brother J wrote:
I think the two variant DC covers from that time, Justice League #3 and Fury of Firestorm #61 are very underrated and a really good deal at $20. Any idea what the print runs were of those variants, Zephyr?

I agree. I think, once the titles hit the 20-30 year mark and become sought after again, these books will be at the forefront of that. As for print runs...I have no clue. I would guess about 5-10,000 copies of each, as they were east coast 'tests'..but what they were testing, I just don't know. Distribution? Covers? Logo? No clue.

They're more famous than the other test runs of the 80's, the Amethyst 35 cent variants (#1 and #2) that were tested in Kansis City in 1983. I've never seen a copy, and would LOVE to get my hands on one.

dewmaster5708 · Post by **dewmaster5708** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:10 am

Best Valiant deal----10 copies of Magnus #12 for 25.00 and then selling all for 500.00 in 1993.

Worst Valiant deal----500 copies of Bloodshot #1 for 1000.20 and lucky to get about $190 (after shipping) in 1994. Learned a lesson and caught the speculation bug for a short time.

Sold a full run of Firestorm 1978 & 1982 plus the #61 test logo for about $115 plus shipping on Ebay. Only got the original money back.

-------Hey Zepyhr--------

Your an Amethyst fan too?? That Keith Giffen writing sure sucked. I too have been looking for the Amethyst #1 and #2 35 cent variants. I remember reading the Amethyst variants listing in 1989 in the Overstreet Price magazine then. The variants guided for about 3-4 dollars back then.

On another note---Keith Giffen writing sucked on Magnus too. I dropped the book once I knew he was writing. Picked up all the Magnus issues in 1998 later in the 25 cent bins. Was not surprised the book ended after Giffens BS writing style of killing or rebooting comic characters

Anyone enjoy Keith Giffen Magnus as compared with Jim Shooter Magnus? Probably not. The Magnus series went bad once they had Magnus kill all the freewill robots and the intro of Torque. Like to know anyone elses opinion.

myron · Post by **myron** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 8:19 am

I'm just finishing reading the full run of magnus. You can definitely tell when each creative team took over. From issue 0 through 20 you really get a feel of the characters...they seem very alive. It took me a few issues to get used to ostranders style with the malev war...issues started becoming less consistent...bedard was doing ok until they "grew up" torque and "rai" and the "eternal geomancer" just plain sucked...talk about messing up a great character (I don't care if it is 2000 years later)...and the "starwatchers" were a joke too (could you really tell any of them apart? the colors were terrible)...I'm just getting to Giffens stories, but they can't be any worse than what was coming out leading up to "birthquake".

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:09 am

kenshikenji wrote: for instance, my most recent venture was that i bought 10 sealed nintendo entertainment systems for 100 bucks a pop, i can reasonable realize a 250% gain on this if i chose to sell them. im still waiting on a third party grader for these... oh yeah i made a bunch of money on sealed transformers that i bought 5 years ago.

God help us if this ever happens...do we really need a grading company for video games systems...also when do you think that the people who played nintendo will be getting to the age will to pay $250 for a nintendo when I can get one for less than $100 with extra controllers and 20 games...I should be about that age and I love my xbox a lot and I can play any of the old nintendo games on my computer...I mean one day I might want to get a system for my house, I do not think that I will but crazier things have happened, but I am definately NOT in the market for a graded video game system....god I think that a graded nintendo would be worse than a graded comic book...

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whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 1:22 pm

kenshikenji wrote:
DawgPhan wrote:
kenshikenji wrote: for instance, my most recent venture was that i bought 10 sealed nintendo entertainment systems for 100 bucks a pop, i can reasonable realize a 250% gain on this if i chose to sell them. im still waiting on a third party grader for these... oh yeah i made a bunch of money on sealed transformers that i bought 5 years ago.
God help us if this ever happens...do we really need a grading company for video games systems...also when do you think that the people who played nintendo will be getting to the age will to pay $250 for a nintendo when I can get one for less than $100 with extra controllers and 20 games...I should be about that age and I love my xbox a lot and I can play any of the old nintendo games on my computer...I mean one day I might want to get a system for my house, I do not think that I will but crazier things have happened, but I am definately NOT in the market for a graded video game system....god I think that a graded nintendo would be worse than a graded comic book...

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i thought i should have to explain this rationale with a collector like you. let me state the obvious (with no mal-intent of being degrading) condition condition condion. mine are sealed, if you can find me nes's that are sealed then ill buy em up personally from you for $150 a pop. these are things people dont think of as putting away in collector condition. The true criterion for a future investment grade collectible. its not the actual utility of the nes, but the nostalgia factor and the ability to be a conversation piece.

i can analogize what you just said by saying, why by a mint condition harbinger #1 with coupon when i can buy a harbinger 1 w/o coupon in vf condition at a fraction of the price?? the answer youd probably give is probably the equator to my riposte to your response.

i also want to add, do you buy an extra copy of harbinger #0 to read? (this is in reference to the utility of the nes vis-a-vis the utility to a mint copy of harbinger 0, pink of course)

Well said kenshikenji! While not as avid a game collector as I am a comic collector; even as a little kid I preserved all my cartages, instruction manual and boxes in pristine condition. I have some games that people have saw in my closet and the first thing that came out of their mouth was, "holy @#$%! That games a classic and has it's original wrapper? I'll give you $50". And these people aren't even game collectors.

graybola · Post by **graybola** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:14 pm

I just bought the sitdown arcade version of stun runner and the standup arcade for afterburner. I think people will definately buy the games they used to play.
Chris

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:47 pm

the one game I'd like to have that I remember from years ago is Yie Ar Kung Fu. However, I don't think this ever came out as a game for the home system. As for getting an arcade version of the game, I don't know if I would have the room for something like that, plus I worry about what happens if the thing breaks down.

dewmaster5708 · Post by **dewmaster5708** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:50 pm

myron wrote:I'm just finishing reading the full run of magnus. You can definitely tell when each creative team took over. From issue 0 through 20 you really get a feel of the characters...they seem very alive. It took me a few issues to get used to ostranders style with the malev war...issues started becoming less consistent...bedard was doing ok until they "grew up" torque and "rai" and the "eternal geomancer" just plain sucked...talk about messing up a great character (I don't care if it is 2000 years later)...and the "starwatchers" were a joke too (could you really tell any of them apart? the colors were terrible)...I'm just getting to Giffens stories, but they can't be any worse than what was coming out leading up to "birthquake".

I just completed my run of Psi lords after about 6 years. I agree this series was boring, so I was not going out my way to collect this. I have been enjoying Timewalker. Just discovered I need the 0 & 1 yearbook. When those series 1st came out in 1993, I stopped collecting comics mostly due to price. Still the place I shopped had comics at 40% off!!! It was a 65 mile trip to get there though, but worth a trip for once or twice a month.

Giffen stories do get worse leading up the death of Magnus. The editor in the letters page crowed about a great article in a Wizard Magazine praising Giffens writing in Magnus. Wizards opinion doesn't mean squat......it did not save the Magnus comic. I think Wizard prices of comics are inflated, but this IMHO.

The killing of the x-o commando sucked too. The killing of all the freewill robots never made sense. This character departure is just as bad as the one done for Green lantern Hal Jordan

Rai-fan · Post by **Rai-fan** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:52 pm

I had a friend in college who bought a stand-up Arkanoid game...and within 6 months had set the world record for it. Now, apparently there's all sorts of bureaucratic hoopla you have to go through to qualify for the "Guiness Book of Video Game Records" or some such.

First he had to submit a photograph of his score screen; then a regional "video game hall-of-fame" rep. (every state has 1 or 2 apparently) has to travel to watch him play & judge whether he's able to attain the high score, etc.

The thing that's signficant about "Arkanoid" (basically "Pong") is that it had been around for 20 years already & _thousands_ of people had played it. So it was sort of big deal that he broke all the records in 6 months--he even got hatemail from the guy who had held the previous record, but who claimed he had recently broken a thumb or such...

Thanks for the memories, Zach...

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:31 pm

graybola · Post by **graybola** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:51 pm

I got my games off of ebay. The thing you need to be carefull with is the cost of shipping. I was able to pick the one up so it was a few hundred dollars less. Kenshikenji. I saw a streetfighter II go for 250. It was located in Michigan. The prices seem to vary depending on location.

Now back to...
I have most of psilords, but cant remember it that well. I will have to pull them out and reread them. Same with the later issues of magnus. I did like the story where Armstrong came back. I will need to reread them again.

Chris

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 1:18 am

kenshikenji wrote:
that is due to the nostalgia and income effect. once the kids who grew up with the particular collectible in question, they become part of the civilian labor force, ergo more discretionary income, more to spend on memoriblia. Thats how i play a portion of my portfolio, i think of the kids today and what they grew up with. for instance, my most recent venture was that i bought 10 sealed nintendo entertainment systems for 100 bucks a pop, i can reasonable realize a 250% gain on this if i chose to sell them. im still waiting on a third party grader for these... oh yeah i made a bunch of money on sealed transformers that i bought 5 years ago.

Ummm.....we were talking about print runs for the Justice League and Firestorm variants. What are you referring to when you quoted us....?

dewmaster5708 · Post by **dewmaster5708** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:05 am

Knightt_333 wrote:
dewmaster5708 wrote:
myron wrote:I'm just finishing reading the full run of magnus. You can definitely tell when each creative team took over. From issue 0 through 20 you really get a feel of the characters...they seem very alive. It took me a few issues to get used to ostranders style with the malev war...issues started becoming less consistent...bedard was doing ok until they "grew up" torque and "rai" and the "eternal geomancer" just plain sucked...talk about messing up a great character (I don't care if it is 2000 years later)...and the "starwatchers" were a joke too (could you really tell any of them apart? the colors were terrible)...I'm just getting to Giffens stories, but they can't be any worse than what was coming out leading up to "birthquake".
I just completed my run of Psi lords after about 6 years. I agree this series was boring, so I was not going out my way to collect this. I have been enjoying Timewalker. Just discovered I need the 0 & 1 yearbook. When those series 1st came out in 1993, I stopped collecting comics mostly due to price. Still the place I shopped had comics at 40% off!!! It was a 65 mile trip to get there though, but worth a trip for once or twice a month.

Giffen stories do get worse leading up the death of Magnus. The editor in the letters page crowed about a great article in a Wizard Magazine praising Giffens writing in Magnus. Wizards opinion doesn't mean squat......it did not save the Magnus comic. I think Wizard prices of comics are inflated, but this IMHO.

The killing of the x-o commando sucked too. The killing of all the freewill robots never made sense. This character departure is just as bad as the one done for Green lantern Hal Jordan
Doesnt that ending Magnus book kind of make you wonder IF he really IS dead and not 'somewhere in time' ? NOT that this was a good story. I remember reading the initial Magnus books 0-10 and LOVING THEM. Now this was neat to me as I never read Magnus when it came out so about three months ago I was able to pick up Magnus 0-10 and they were GREAT but the further you went along, the more I rolled my eyes and the end.... was painful.

Knightt333,

My first Magnus read was in 1977 and was the last issue of the Gold Key Magnus run. So was really glad in 1991 when Valiant started publishing Magnus again. Stopped reading Magnus consistently at about #33.

Anthing is possible in comics. Sure Magnus may not be dead, but I don't like that year 4020 version. It is okay to kill that warped version. I would like to see the 4002 version of Magnus again, but have the time line altered to eradicate the Giffen & other writers BS from #37 and onward.

If a comic series has slow sales and Giffen is writing, expect bad character departure, a reboot (like Giffens Dc's Legion of Super heroes), retcon, or character death. This writer is so one dimensional. I am surprised he did not kill Solar. Maybe Giffen did not have enough time write a devious death for Solar.

Sector3600 · Post by **Sector3600** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:56 pm

I guess it would be the time I traded a few Magic the Gathering Unlimited/Revised/Legends rares for a $85 Harbinger #1 (appears to be NM and with coupon) back in 1993 or 1994.

One day I'll like to get this one and #2, 3, 4 professionally graded or such

FYI some of those MTG rares I traded. go for over $200 in the NM condition I had them in BUT at least I can say I did get a very nice copy of Harbinger #1.