Who is the most clever?

Lightning Strike · Wed May 20, 2009 10:55:38 am

comicsyte95 wrote:I had to go with thanos he conned the oldest beings in the universe to give him the most powerful tool in the universe(the infinity gauntlet),while at the same time conning death (a conceptual being) to gain infinite power.Heck during the end of the infinity crusade he conned Mephisto (the prince of lies) into thinking he was going to give him a working cosmic cube in return for his help and gave him nothing but a useless box(outsmarting him).

sanman · Post by **sanman** » Wed May 20, 2009 6:37:41 pm

Lightning Strike wrote:
comicsyte95 wrote:I had to go with thanos he conned the oldest beings in the universe to give him the most powerful tool in the universe(the infinity gauntlet),while at the same time conning death (a conceptual being) to gain infinite power.Heck during the end of the infinity crusade he conned Mephisto (the prince of lies) into thinking he was going to give him a working cosmic cube in return for his help and gave him nothing but a useless box(outsmarting him).

Excelent point

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed May 20, 2009 6:40:07 pm

ya that is a great point

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed May 20, 2009 7:00:23 pm

How about we admit it is a draw and they each represent the most clever character in their respective universe?

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed May 20, 2009 7:09:07 pm

ahh good call

terreth · Post by **terreth** » Wed May 20, 2009 7:37:29 pm

xodacia81 wrote:How about we admit it is a draw and they each represent the most clever character in their respective universe?

Excellent idea!

It was the only conclusion I could come to as well.

But what a fun fan boy comic or novella a crossover like this would be to write!

sanman · Post by **sanman** » Thu May 21, 2009 4:02:03 pm

terreth wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:How about we admit it is a draw and they each represent the most clever character in their respective universe?
Excellent idea!

It was the only conclusion I could come to as well.

But what a fun fan boy comic or novella a crossover like this would be to write!

Each is so unique that it really is hard to compare. Might as well make a who’s who list of clever characters and throw Spock in for good measure.

terreth · Post by **terreth** » Thu May 21, 2009 7:15:50 pm

I know Spock and he is no Thanos, Doctor Who, or Batman.

No offense to the coolness of Spock though.

comicsyte95 · Post by **comicsyte95** » Thu May 21, 2009 8:36:46 pm

Ozymandias should be on the list too,he outsmarted Doctor Manhattan,and the whole world pretty easy!

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Fri May 22, 2009 2:24:47 am

Who, hands down, especially based on the recent interpretation. Then Batman. Then Thanos. The last is a schemer and whatnot, not simply 'brilliant' in the way the other two are.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Fri May 22, 2009 2:25:49 am

comicsyte95 wrote:Ozymandias should be on the list too,he outsmarted Doctor Manhattan,and the whole world pretty easy!

Except he overlooked the very first ability that Dr Manhattan used to become Dr Manhattan...

comicsyte95 · Post by **comicsyte95** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:40:34 am

I guess even the smartest man on earth,doesn't know everything!

*SQUEE* · Post by ***SQUEE*** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:38:12 am

Lightning Strike wrote:
terreth wrote:I was doing a little fan boy dreaming and wondered who is the most clever?
It's Thanos without a doubt. Anyone who is capable of outwitting the Elders of the Universe for their Infinity gems is the most clever.

Batman could have done that, but he was way to busy crying over his dead parents to bother.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri May 22, 2009 6:55:31 pm

Who is the most clever?

Just Thor.

-slym

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri May 22, 2009 7:16:06 pm

slym2none wrote:
Who is the most clever?
Just Thor.

-slym

Just Thor.

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Sat May 23, 2009 2:35:26 am

I have just read Lockjaw and the Pet Avengers and it gives a breakdown of the attributes of each of the Infinity Gems.

The Mind Gem gives its owner unlimited knowledge and the ability to read minds (I'm probably the only one here who didn't know that but, hey...) so I would have to say, with Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos would be most clever as he knows all and has the ability to read minds and so can think like others (which makes all the Infinity crossovers wrong, Thanos is omnipotent and omniscient so he would have known and been able to counter all the heroes' plans as soon as they did).

Without Infinity Gems I would have to say Batman.

terreth · Post by **terreth** » Sat May 23, 2009 2:41:45 am

Just for clarification, Thanos here is without any of the special uber power granting cosmic objects/articles (i.e. cosmic cube, Infinity Gauntlet or Gems, Heart of the Universe, etc.)

Batman is Bruce Wayned and has his suit, belt, and the batcave.

The Doctor has the Tardis (and who knows what all in there).

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Sat May 23, 2009 3:07:17 am

Batman is cleverest then.

The Doctor doesn't even get a look in. He isn't all that clever, he just has a deus ex machina pen-torch.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sat May 23, 2009 9:25:58 am

Drift wrote:I have just read Lockjaw and the Pet Avengers and it gives a breakdown of the attributes of each of the Infinity Gems.

The Mind Gem gives its owner unlimited knowledge and the ability to read minds (I'm probably the only one here who didn't know that but, hey...) so I would have to say, with Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos would be most clever as he knows all and has the ability to read minds and so can think like others (which makes all the Infinity crossovers wrong, Thanos is omnipotent and omniscient so he would have known and been able to counter all the heroes' plans as soon as they did).

Without Infinity Gems I would have to say Batman.

During the battle with the heroes, Thanos cut himself off from input of 5 of the 6 Infinity Gems. He willed himself back up to full power to square off against the cosmic entities but he was still adjusting to replacing Eternity as the embodiment of everything when Nebula snatched the gauntlet from his hand.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:26:24 pm

Chiclo wrote:
Drift wrote:I have just read Lockjaw and the Pet Avengers and it gives a breakdown of the attributes of each of the Infinity Gems.

The Mind Gem gives its owner unlimited knowledge and the ability to read minds (I'm probably the only one here who didn't know that but, hey...) so I would have to say, with Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos would be most clever as he knows all and has the ability to read minds and so can think like others (which makes all the Infinity crossovers wrong, Thanos is omnipotent and omniscient so he would have known and been able to counter all the heroes' plans as soon as they did).

Without Infinity Gems I would have to say Batman.
During the battle with the heroes, Thanos cut himself off from input of 5 of the 6 Infinity Gems. He willed himself back up to full power to square off against the cosmic entities but he was still adjusting to replacing Eternity as the embodiment of everything when Nebula snatched the gauntlet from his hand.

Thanks for the clarification but it just proves my point. He shouldn't have to adjust because with the gems he is all powerful and it makes no sense to cut himself off from the power that he has gained as it was what he sought in the first place to make him Death's equal.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sat May 23, 2009 7:48:54 pm

Draco wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
Drift wrote:I have just read Lockjaw and the Pet Avengers and it gives a breakdown of the attributes of each of the Infinity Gems.

The Mind Gem gives its owner unlimited knowledge and the ability to read minds (I'm probably the only one here who didn't know that but, hey...) so I would have to say, with Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos would be most clever as he knows all and has the ability to read minds and so can think like others (which makes all the Infinity crossovers wrong, Thanos is omnipotent and omniscient so he would have known and been able to counter all the heroes' plans as soon as they did).

Without Infinity Gems I would have to say Batman.
During the battle with the heroes, Thanos cut himself off from input of 5 of the 6 Infinity Gems. He willed himself back up to full power to square off against the cosmic entities but he was still adjusting to replacing Eternity as the embodiment of everything when Nebula snatched the gauntlet from his hand.
Thanks for the clarification but it just proves my point. He shouldn't have to adjust because with the gems he is all powerful and it makes no sense to cut himself off from the power that he has gained as it was what he sought in the first place to make him Death's equal.

He cut himself off from the power to show Mistress Death his valor in battle and afford the collected heroes a 0.02% chance at victory. Mephisto convinced him it would be a good idea and could possibly thaw Death's heart.

Before the gems, he was not her equal. With the gems, she was not his.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Sun May 24, 2009 1:30:19 am

very good stuff big C

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sun May 24, 2009 1:39:12 am

Gotta vote on Batman, the dude is always one step ahead.

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Sun May 24, 2009 5:21:14 pm

Chiclo wrote:
Draco wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
Drift wrote:I have just read Lockjaw and the Pet Avengers and it gives a breakdown of the attributes of each of the Infinity Gems.

The Mind Gem gives its owner unlimited knowledge and the ability to read minds (I'm probably the only one here who didn't know that but, hey...) so I would have to say, with Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos would be most clever as he knows all and has the ability to read minds and so can think like others (which makes all the Infinity crossovers wrong, Thanos is omnipotent and omniscient so he would have known and been able to counter all the heroes' plans as soon as they did).

Without Infinity Gems I would have to say Batman.
During the battle with the heroes, Thanos cut himself off from input of 5 of the 6 Infinity Gems. He willed himself back up to full power to square off against the cosmic entities but he was still adjusting to replacing Eternity as the embodiment of everything when Nebula snatched the gauntlet from his hand.
Thanks for the clarification but it just proves my point. He shouldn't have to adjust because with the gems he is all powerful and it makes no sense to cut himself off from the power that he has gained as it was what he sought in the first place to make him Death's equal.
He cut himself off from the power to show Mistress Death his valor in battle and afford the collected heroes a 0.02% chance at victory. Mephisto convinced him it would be a good idea and could possibly thaw Death's heart.

Before the gems, he was not her equal. With the gems, she was not his.

But with the gems he would have known that (a) Mephisto was wrong, (b) Death wouldn't go for him with or without gems and (c) the heroes would win if he cut himself off from the power. The benefits of knowing everything, the deficits of flawed writing.

comicsyte95 · Post by **comicsyte95** » Sun May 24, 2009 5:57:01 pm

The way i took from it(at least from my past experience)a man will do anything to impress a woman.Its sad to say he was thinking with his pants,not with his infinite knowledge.I think he knew all was going to happen but he didn't care.If i had infinite power and wanted to impress my girlfriend and she rejected the power

.I probably would have done the same thing.

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