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Crow331 wrote:Where's Shadowman?? :evil:

That is my only gripe. I think Zeph looks perfect. I like the few changes I see.

Even if you have a nice coat of paint on your place for 20 years it's still nice to update it now and again :thumb:
:hm: If I had to guess, (and it IS only a guess, I have no "neener-neener knowledge") Shadowman will be something big that needs to be built up to. :cloud9:
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orbitalshift wrote:
So does Rai look like he is from the future? His weapons seem pretty normal. :(
It's hard to say.

The weapons he manifested were always ancient. At least for the year 4001.

Do his pants look futuristic?

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Big Red wrote:Do his pants look futuristic?

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In the future, all pants are futuristic.
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Dr. Solar wrote:
Big Red wrote:Do his pants look futuristic?

:?
In the future, all pants are futuristic.
That's deep, man. Pass that over would ya'?
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geocarr wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote:
Big Red wrote:Do his pants look futuristic?

:?
In the future, all pants are futuristic.
That's deep, man. Pass that over would ya'?
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Love it. Though if that is in fact Kris, I would have preferred her original look.

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orbitalshift wrote:
So does Rai look like he is from the future? His weapons seem pretty normal. :( I really hope Rai is future based. Bloodshot and Rai in the same era seems redundant to me.
Same here. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
I'm thinking Rai from the past is more likely than Rai in the present. What I could see them doing is have the original Rai in the past, use him for about a year, kill him off, and then bump the series into the future with the second Rai. Bloodshot could be based off of the original Rai and the future Rai could be modeled after Bloodshot.

With Eternal Warrior, does it look like he's wearing one of those Oriental metal skirt things that old warriors had? I don't know what they are called, but I recognize it from the Dynasty Warrior games.

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What artist drew this?

I think that it's outstanding.
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etos45 wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
orbitalshift wrote:
So does Rai look like he is from the future? His weapons seem pretty normal. :( I really hope Rai is future based. Bloodshot and Rai in the same era seems redundant to me.
Same here. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
I'm thinking Rai from the past is more likely than Rai in the present. What I could see them doing is have the original Rai in the past, use him for about a year, kill him off, and then bump the series into the future with the second Rai. Bloodshot could be based off of the original Rai and the future Rai could be modeled after Bloodshot.

With Eternal Warrior, does it look like he's wearing one of those Oriental metal skirt things that old warriors had? I don't know what they are called, but I recognize it from the Dynasty Warrior games.
It appears so.

Sidebar; A little beef of mine for some reason is "Orient" or "Oriental" You won't find it on a map, but it refers to parts of Asia, I wonder where the hell the term "Orient" even came from?

edit; ah I see, it's the antithesis of "Occidental" one simply means East and the other West. END :rant:
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Big Red wrote:What artist drew this?

I think that it's outstanding.
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Dr. Solar wrote:
Big Red wrote:Do his pants look futuristic?

:?
In the future, all pants are futuristic.
Even pants that are "vintage" or "retro"?

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Chiclo wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote:
Big Red wrote:Do his pants look futuristic?

:?
In the future, all pants are futuristic.
Even pants that are "vintage" or "retro"?
Yes. Even them.
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Chiclo wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote:
Big Red wrote:Do his pants look futuristic?

:?
In the future, all pants are futuristic.
Even pants that are "vintage" or "retro"?
Bellbottoms for Rai.
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X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Crow331 wrote:Where's Shadowman?? :evil:

That is my only gripe. I think Zeph looks perfect. I like the few changes I see.

Even if you have a nice coat of paint on your place for 20 years it's still nice to update it now and again :thumb:
:hm: If I had to guess, (and it IS only a guess, I have no "neener-neener knowledge") Shadowman will be something big that needs to be built up to. :cloud9:
I would have to say that as well. Not using a main "A list" character to lead off with makes me think they have something special up their sleeve.

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Daniel Jackson wrote:I would have to say that as well. Not using a main "A list" character to lead off with makes me think they have something special up their sleeve.
I think the special something they have up their sleeve is more A-List characters than they can launch with.
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Heath wrote: (except the shape of XO's helmet - there's something weird about that).
Agreed. It looks like a bike helmet. Hmm, they really haven't said how he got back from Planet Vine... nah. :P

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Dr. Solar wrote:
Big Red wrote:Do his pants look futuristic?

:?
In the future, all pants are futuristic.
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Dr. Solar wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:I would have to say that as well. Not using a main "A list" character to lead off with makes me think they have something special up their sleeve.
I think the special something they have up their sleeve is more A-List characters than they can launch with.
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Dr. Solar wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote:
Big Red wrote:Do his pants look futuristic?

:?
In the future, all pants are futuristic.
Even pants that are "vintage" or "retro"?
Yes. Even them.
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X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Crow331 wrote:Where's Shadowman?? :evil:

That is my only gripe. I think Zeph looks perfect. I like the few changes I see.

Even if you have a nice coat of paint on your place for 20 years it's still nice to update it now and again :thumb:
:hm: If I had to guess, (and it IS only a guess, I have no "neener-neener knowledge") Shadowman will be something big that needs to be built up to. :cloud9:
One thing I noticed in that CBR article is that it said this, "Pierce said that he felt the company needed four series to start out with in order to be "relevant," but that he wants to grow slowly, adding perhaps two more titles within the next year." Well which 2 titles appear in that character splash that aren't announced titles?? RAI and ETERNAL WARRIOR ... If there are only 2 more titles coming in the next year then it looks like maybe Shadowman is not one of them :!:

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Crow331 wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Crow331 wrote:Where's Shadowman?? :evil:

That is my only gripe. I think Zeph looks perfect. I like the few changes I see.

Even if you have a nice coat of paint on your place for 20 years it's still nice to update it now and again :thumb:
:hm: If I had to guess, (and it IS only a guess, I have no "neener-neener knowledge") Shadowman will be something big that needs to be built up to. :cloud9:
One thing I noticed in that CBR article is that it said this, "Pierce said that he felt the company needed four series to start out with in order to be "relevant," but that he wants to grow slowly, adding perhaps two more titles within the next year." Well which 2 titles appear in that character splash that aren't announced titles?? RAI and ETERNAL WARRIOR ... If there are only 2 more titles coming in the next year then it looks like maybe Shadowman is not one of them :!:
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Crow331 wrote: Well which 2 titles appear in that character splash that aren't announced titles?? RAI and ETERNAL WARRIOR ... If there are only 2 more titles coming in the next year then it looks like maybe Shadowman is not one of them :!:
I still am saying. Rai is in the current title launch. He will be the other artist within the Bloodshot line.

Two stories told within the same book. Parallel stories. Opposite books.

Sorta like the whole Magnus/Rai thing initially. Only STAYING within the time frame.

Have you seen Godfather 2? Remember how the parallel stories were told, flipping back and forth between the two lines, the rise of Michael Corleone AND of Vito Corleone.

That's my cool prediction for the Bloodshot line. Sticking to it. Which leaves space for the Shadowman, still.
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kevinbastos wrote:
Crow331 wrote: Well which 2 titles appear in that character splash that aren't announced titles?? RAI and ETERNAL WARRIOR ... If there are only 2 more titles coming in the next year then it looks like maybe Shadowman is not one of them :!:
I still am saying. Rai is in the current title launch. He will be the other artist within the Bloodshot line.

Two stories told within the same book. Parallel stories. Opposite books.

Sorta like the whole Magnus/Rai thing initially. Only STAYING within the time frame.

Have you seen Godfather 2? Remember how the parallel stories were told, flipping back and forth between the two lines, the rise of Michael Corleone AND of Vito Corleone.

That's my cool prediction for the Bloodshot line. Sticking to it. Which leaves space for the Shadowman, still.
I could get behind that idea.
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I am guessing the 2 artists has to do with the 2 sets of memories Bloodshot has, but I would be VERY happy to see Rai incorporated into the book. After Gilad, Tohru was probably my favorite character in VH1.
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Crow331 wrote:One thing I noticed in that CBR article is that it said this, "Pierce said that he felt the company needed four series to start out with in order to be "relevant," but that he wants to grow slowly, adding perhaps two more titles within the next year." Well which 2 titles appear in that character splash that aren't announced titles?? RAI and ETERNAL WARRIOR ... If there are only 2 more titles coming in the next year then it looks like maybe Shadowman is not one of them :!:
Actually, I'm fine with that. The thought of a new Shadowman still makes me quite nervous. Shadowman was my favorite Valiant title and Bob Hall's run is my favorite run on any book of all time. The only page of original art I own is a Bob Hall Shadowman page. I have a tattoo of the Shadowman symbol. I'm so attached to that book and that character that I'm so scared they're going to screw it up. Steve Englehart, Jim Shooter, and David Lapham didn't get Shadowman right. Mike Baron didn't get Shadowman right. Garth Ennis totally screwed things up. Some people that came after him might have done some good work on a completely different character called Shadowman, but it's not Shadowman. It just seems to me that Shadowman is very easy to get wrong and very difficult to get right. Only one creator that worked on him got him right - Bob Hall. So the idea of someone else revamping Shadowman... makes me want to break out into hives.

Nothing that I've seen from VEI so far has given me any concrete reason to fear their take on Shadowman. In fact, it has actually eased my fear a bit. But still, the longer they hold off on him the better as it delays what I know (fear?) will be great disappointment with what they do to my favorite character. I'd rather they not do it at all than to do it wrong. And the chances of doing it wrong are high.
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