Archer & Armstrong #13 Discussion

[BugsySig]

CRAZY thought... because I like crazy thoughts...

Armstrong and Mary-Maria have just CONCEIVED A CHILD outside of the normal timestream, so it could be a child in any point in history.

That child will become...

Obadiah Archer.

Issue #10 fake-pregnant Mary-Marie says the baby's name is Obadiah, after his father...foreshadowing somewhat?

Is Obie made of Nanites then?

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Lets take it a step further into ew territory (literally and figuratively)...Some have posited that Mary-Maria is one of Gilad's kids

[Keith]

CRAZY thought... because I like crazy thoughts...

Armstrong and Mary-Maria have just CONCEIVED A CHILD outside of the normal timestream, so it could be a child in any point in history.

That child will become...

Obadiah Archer.

Holy Doctor Who/Melody Pond/River Song, Batman!

...though it might explain his connection to the Akashic Record...

[CylonSteve]

I loved the issue! Archer and Armstrong is probably my favorite book! (Quantum and Woody is probably just under it) And, I didn't have a problem the Armstrong and Mary-Maria coupling. I believe Archer learned an important life lesson the hard way; I can sympathize with him, however I don't feel too bad for him. I can explain! We all had that certain crush on someone else, but sometimes that certain crush doesn't feel the same way. Its terrible and it hurts, but it happens, and I am sure I am not out of line when I say this We have all probably been there. But, it is growing up, he realizes that the world he was brought up to believe does not correlate with the real world. This leaves him frustrated!

This song is how I think Archer feels about Mary-Maria: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96852T5w260" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Save Ferris - Let Me In
or Nazareth's 'Love Hurts' is the lesson he learned, I feel he left all Butthurt.

Mary-Maria's to me seems like Shatterstar from Marvel. His relationship with Rictor seems almost like a parallel to her coupling with Armstrong. Mary-Maria like Shatterstar, was bred to be the ultimate killing machine. (Mojoworld/and Religious Amusement Park) While Shatterstar was in the Mojo Universe he claimed that even though he was fully capable physically, he had never felt any sexual stirrings or romantic love, and has long felt "lacking", even in his native dimension. However since he was in the real world he learned emotion and friendship and developed a close friendship with Rictor. Mary-Maria is not too far behind this by living in a world to complete her parents plans, and really had no love for Archer, or any other sibling for that matter. Love and relationships were probably not even a concern with Mary-Maria's upbringing. When Armstrong came into her life he was different than most men she knew, and liked the fact he stood up to her, and probably her parents. She broke free from her parents, and learned of her newly formed independence.
^ I hope this makes sense!

Also I see Armstrong's sexuality a lot like Captain Jack Harkness of Torchwood. Both men are immortal and both are sexually active. But they probably have seen lots of lovers and friends come and go making a relationship near impossible. Mary-Maria being immortal too I guess they can spend all time together. Its kinda sweet to me.

Other than that Bring on the Sect Civil War!

[dornwolf]

I do feel bad for Obie. Not about Mary-Maria though but about the whole thing. As he said he's been lied to and treated basically like crap by everyone he's ever known the one guy who he felt would never do that did in the worst possible way and on top of that he's learned that he's ultimately worshipped like a god in the future which being very religious is a big deal to him. What'll be interesting in the future is how in plays out as the original book was buddy-buddy now it's just going to be two guys who don't get along anymore.

[greg]

But... if Mary-Maria and Armstrong ARE his parents, then they HAD to sleep together.

[bygranddesign]

Whats also going to be interesting is how Ivar, Aram and Mary-Maria get out of the Far Away without the time arcs map

I wonder if a lot of time will pass between Aram finally meeting back up with Archer??

Which brings up another question... How do the time arc's work? Does Archer choose where he is going on the timeline? Does it just take him back to the time of when he left?

[Bone-A-Fach-ee]

CRAZY thought... because I like crazy thoughts...

Armstrong and Mary-Maria have just CONCEIVED A CHILD outside of the normal timestream, so it could be a child in any point in history.

That child will become...

Obadiah Archer.

talk about an Oedipus Complex....
Great issue. I hope FVL stays on A&A forever. Definitely at the top of my list every month. Loving it all. And Pere Perez was killing it!

[Phoenix8008]

Can't wait to read this issue. Hopefully I can pick it up tomorrow. So, Obie left in a time arc at the end? Leaving Mary-Maria & Armstrong together? Does this mean that Obie is really going solo and the 'Archer & Armstrong' the book is now about is Mary Maria Archer and Aram??? That would be an interesting twist I didn't see coming!

[MoonChild]

Haven't read it yet but I must say, that Cover is Bad-*SQUEE*! Very V-H1!

[dornwolf]

Can't wait to read this issue. Hopefully I can pick it up tomorrow. So, Obie left in a time arc at the end? Leaving Mary-Maria & Armstrong together? Does this mean that Obie is really going solo and the 'Archer & Armstrong' the book is now about is Mary Maria Archer and Aram??? That would be an interesting twist I didn't see coming!

Huh never thought of that. Mary Maria could be the Archer in the title for awhile as solicits show Obidiah becomes "Dark Archer"

[jmatt]

What if Mary Maria's parents are still controlling her and had her seduce Aram to drive a wedge between him and Archer...

[Bone-A-Fach-ee]

Can't wait to read this issue. Hopefully I can pick it up tomorrow. So, Obie left in a time arc at the end? Leaving Mary-Maria & Armstrong together? Does this mean that Obie is really going solo and the 'Archer & Armstrong' the book is now about is Mary Maria Archer and Aram??? That would be an interesting twist I didn't see coming!

Absolutely LOVE this theory!

[MoonChild]

Great issue! Fvl has really stepped it up and made a&a one of my favorite titles! Looks n feels like modern day archer n armstrong the way it should be! Very happy about the direction this book has taken. Big props to the whole team on this one folks. Total package.

[lorddunlow]

I really loved this issue. A&A just keeps getting better and better. Does anyone else feel the universe is really starting to coalesce like the old VH1 universe did right before and during Unity? All of the titles are starting to overlap in many subtle and a few not-so-subtle ways more and more each month. So much awesome in this issue. Can't wait to see how it all shapes up.

The Nanite Body: Assuming Ivar is not just confused about where he is in the timeline, and taking his comment at face value, here...Armstrong believes he was infused with thousands of "souls" from the activation of the Boon. But what if those souls are not "souls" but souls? You follow? No? I'll give you a hint: Bloodshot #0. You with me? Souls. Nanites. Regeneration. Immortality. Voices in your head. Sound like anyone else we know? Only Aram runs on beer like Bender from Futurama instead of protein

Once again, you beat me to a theory. I think Aram was transformed into a nanite body by the Boon. I think that it is the pure technology, not the *SQUEE* version that BloodShot has that is essentially the result of reverse engineering using our less sophisticated technology. As such, no protein is needed for the healing and he retains a perfect image of his previous self.

But... if Mary-Maria and Armstrong ARE his parents, then they HAD to sleep together.

Stop saying that!!!!


Also, sorry that this issue made hawkeyeps toss his cookies. Mad Canadian! Somebody load up the tranquilizer gun! We got a runner!

[hawkeyeps]

What if Mary Maria's parents are still controlling her and had her seduce Aram to drive a wedge between him and Archer...

The issue is how could Aram could be seduced in the first place regardless of what was going on with Mary Maria.

Nobody was controlling Aram and he knew full well what the dynamic was between Obie and Mary Maria. Obie is a virgin and very idealistic, he probably had in his mind they would be each others first. Now he has to settle for Aram's sloppy seconds just because he felt like getting his rocks off.

I don't blame Mary Maria at all, she is 18 and bound to make some bad decisions or maybe she was being controlled who knows. Aram is 6000 years old, what's his excuse? He can't handle his liquor? Aram made the conscious decision to hurt his best friend by putting his base desires ahead of the feelings of his best friend, sorry doesn't cut it. He must have very little regard for Archer or he wouldn't have done it. He's a scumbag.

Even if you take the angle that he wanted to hook up with her because they were both immortal that also makes no sense. If they are both going to live forever wouldn't it have been a better idea to just wait until Archer was dead then hook up her? That would almost be a nice way to do it as Mary Maria would be more like 80 or 90 by the time they hooked up. I would have no problem with that, but no he had get his piece right now while she was still 18 and immortal for all of about a month or two. He should have known better, end of story.

These actions just reveal him to be a immoral hedonist, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him and that's not very far with his fat a$$.

[Blood of Heroes]

That would almost be a nice way to do it as Mary Maria would be more like 80 or 90 by the time they hooked up. I would have no problem with that, but no he had get his piece right now while she was still 18 and immortal for all of about a month or two.

Sooooooo, having sex with an octogenarian is preferable to sex with an 18 year old? Who knew?

[FormerReader]

I don't blame Mary Maria at all, she is 18 and bound to make some bad decisions or maybe she was being controlled who knows. Aram is 6000 years old, what's his excuse? He can't handle his liquor? Aram made the conscious decision to hurt his best friend by putting his base desires ahead of the feelings of his best friend, sorry doesn't cut it. He must have very little regard for Archer or he wouldn't have done it. He's a scumbag.

That's the worst part in all of this. Aram betrayed Archer's trust. It is going to be intersting to see how FVL handles this and he has turned Aram into a very unsympathetic character.

[Chiclo]

That would almost be a nice way to do it as Mary Maria would be more like 80 or 90 by the time they hooked up. I would have no problem with that, but no he had get his piece right now while she was still 18 and immortal for all of about a month or two.

Sooooooo, having sex with an octogenarian is preferable to sex with an 18 year old? Who knew?

Life is a buffet - sample all its pleasures.

[pixierosa]

I can't enough. Get over the young girl thing. If I had to chose between a young guy with little experience and a man who kniws what he's doing, I'd go with experience every time.

[BugsySig]

I can't enough. Get over the young girl thing. If I had to chose between a young guy with little experience and a man who kniws what he's doing, I'd go with experience every time.

Good to know

[jmatt]

What if Mary Maria's parents are still controlling her and had her seduce Aram to drive a wedge between him and Archer...

The issue is how could Aram could be seduced in the first place regardless of what was going on with Mary Maria.... He must have very little regard for Archer or he wouldn't have done it. He's a scumbag....
These actions just reveal him to be a immoral hedonist, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him and that's not very far with his fat a$$.

My theory isn't an attempt to excuse Aram's actions, just a possible twist with regard to Mary Maria. In that regard, if she ever wrests full control of herself she could explain it to Archer and then he might find it within himself to forgive her, or at least understand, that it wasn't of her own volition. But I'm just speculatin' here.

Your heated reaction is evidence that FVL is doing his job and doing it well: He's making you feel for the characters; we have invested ourselves in who they are and what they do.

[Blood of Heroes]

I can't enough. Get over the young girl thing. If I had to chose between a young guy with little experience and a man who kniws what he's doing, I'd go with experience every time.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that if you were Mary Maria you would choose Armstrong over Archer? Or are you saying that if you were Armstrong you would find a 80 year old woman over an 18 year old?

In regards to experience, Archer can access the Akashic record. That's bound to give him an edge in the sack.

[jmatt]

I can't enough. Get over the young girl thing. If I had to chose between a young guy with little experience and a man who kniws what he's doing, I'd go with experience every time.

I'll be 50 in January. Thanks for making my day!

Maybe I should start hitting the bars again. "Hey baby, what are you doing hanging around with these kids? What, these comic books? I'm just holding 'em for a friend... Hey, where ya going?"

[jmatt]

In regards to experience, Archer can access the Akashic record. That's bound to give him an edge in the sack.

Wow, yeah. The dude's a Kama Sutra Master!

[pixierosa]

Ye gods. Only meant that I don't get the old guy/young girl thing as being something to aspire to. Youth does not necessarily mean better. I will never be a cougar. I could barely stand dating 18 year olds when I was 18.

Also, anybody inappropriately aged goes after my daughter when she's 18 will have his *SQUEE* kicked into a brand new shape. By me.