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I read this thread again for the first time in a while. I think the "gayness" that is described comes not from the arm posing, but from the posture of the "floating" Solar through space or air or whatever with his upper torso forward. I think many comic artist at times tend to angle the female characters upper torso forward a little to accentuate certain body parts that the fan boys find cool. Because of this and our familiarization with comic art we might mispercieve the Solar statue as looking a little "faggy".
From our perception, and in context with the VH1 VALIANT universe, Solar/Phil is a God with the power to create and destroy matter at will. The physical rendition on the statue is perfect, he doesn't need or use muscles, and his representation of himself is whatever he wants you to perceive him as since he can take whatever shape or form he chooses. I think the pose of shown is not of Solar as a ruling god, but as a God who conveys his wishes upon matter as he floats or moves through space (and time?).
More on this later maybe...
From our perception, and in context with the VH1 VALIANT universe, Solar/Phil is a God with the power to create and destroy matter at will. The physical rendition on the statue is perfect, he doesn't need or use muscles, and his representation of himself is whatever he wants you to perceive him as since he can take whatever shape or form he chooses. I think the pose of shown is not of Solar as a ruling god, but as a God who conveys his wishes upon matter as he floats or moves through space (and time?).
More on this later maybe...
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Well, Sean asked for opinions. I thought I read a while back that he will be making the mold for a Solar that will be mass-produced. If that is the case, then getting opinions is probably a good thing. Even the people who said they "like it as is" have said they don't think it would work outside of VF.com.steverino wrote:
What I'm wondering is: Why take criticism from someone that has stated that he/she is not interested in buying one anyways?![]()
Why try to discourage people from buying one when the creator has taken so much time and effort to capture the essence of Solar. I for one am glad that Chen has decided to take so much time and effort to do this special project for Solar fans, and I agree with this 'original' depiction; mainly because it already appeals to us fans, but also because it may alter the fluidity of the pose and therefore take away the appeal all together.
Why is that? Because it's got the gayness thing going on. Gay doesn't sell well. It will sell at VF.com, because we know the intentions and rationale behind the character and the piece. However, a gay looking statue probably won't sell well in the marketplace unless you change Solar's outfit to match a rainbow and sell it in G&L stores. Then, it would probably sell like crazy.
And no one is being discouraged from buying it. If people can't make up their own minds about what they like and what they don't, that's their prob.
Although it's probably not possible, I'd like to see what it would look like with the palm of the hand up. That way, you still have the Solar-light thing going on, but not the limp arched wrist.
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It's not so much 'criticism' as it is making fun of it, or at least seems like it. These pieces are being specially made for a select audience with special care.Knightt wrote:If someone thinks that they can produce something and not receive any criticism, then they are fooling themselves. Just because one's opinion does not match with the gen pop is no reason to not even 'take criticism. That is just absurd. "oh, I don't like your opinion, so I will not accept it."
I think he is owed more gratitude and respect than he is being show by 'some' members.svair wrote:the ones for us will be one of a kind items..he will paint, and work on each 1 individually...as with the penguins..
'Side's, as I've said before, he seems to have appealed to his audience.

I really didn't mean any disrespect to you Knightt. I hope we're still cool!
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No disrespect here. It's a great piece. Just looks a little gay, is all.steverino wrote:
I think he is owed more gratitude and respect than he is being show by 'some' members.
Yeah, you are just looking to dig into a few of us.steverino wrote:I really didn't mean any disrespect to you Knightt. I hope we're still cool!
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I believe his audience will be a little bigger than the 50 members of this site. See below.steverino wrote: 'Side's, as I've said before, he seems to have appealed to his audience.
svair wrote: Sean was approached by a company we all know to work on the Solar Statue he displayed at the show.
What I can guarantee you is that while the ones made for this unnamed company will not be painted or hand crafted individually by Sean..
The ones for the unnamed company will be using his sculpt and others will be doing the finishes and painting..
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Yeah, you know, I already stated that when I said "for what my opinion is worth on this matter." If it's worth nothing, so be it. I'm a big boy, I can handle it. Criticism..even from those who aren't ultimately interested in buying one...can be very helpful.steverino wrote:What I'm wondering is: Why take criticism from someone that has stated that he/she is not interested in buying one anyways?depluto wrote:And I don't think it looks gay ... he looks like a dude way past caring what people think. Maybe the head being turned so far adds to it (I took the gesture to be almost careless but at the same time Solar is kind of intently following things).
I like it as is, Sean.![]()
There's really no need for you to try and start a fight for the 10,884th time.

Why try to discourage people from buying one when the creator has taken so much time and effort to capture the essence of Solar.

No one's trying to "discourage" anyone from buying anything. If a stranger's opinion on the board influences a purchase such as this...well, you weren't all that committed in the first place.
I doubt that.I for one am glad that Chen has decided to take so much time and effort to do this special project for Solar fans, and I agree with this 'original' depiction; mainly because it already appeals to us fans, but also because it may alter the fluidity of the pose and therefore take away the appeal all together.

I, too, am glad that Sean decided to devote his time to this project; if you're a statue guy (and I'm not), it's great.
Good for you. Self confidence is always important in life.Besides, I for one am secure enough in my overabundance of masculinity not to even care what one guy and a marine says.
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That's better.400yrs wrote:ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:It's scary how much we think alike....someone might start to think we're the same person........400yrs wrote:I guess I'm in the minority here. I'd like a more manly hand pose. Although I do see the whole Michaelangelo thing going on there and think it looks cool, it makes me think the next thing Solar would do is snap his fingers and say, "Uh, uh, girlfriend, you betta not talk bout my baby daddy."
I think the tilting of his head is enough to show the BWS influence, but either way is fine by me. I don't think the open hand thing would work as well if this was ever to be mass-produced though.
Sorry. I'll try to start disagreeing with you from now on.
I like to keep my personalities seperate and distinct.
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I'm just surprised he knows what a Dirty Sanchez is....depluto wrote:I think this might be the most awful and funny thing you've ever posted. I have no idea what it means but it sounds like a year in prison.slym2none wrote:So, the Donkey Punch, Angry Dragon, Snowmobile, Change Machine, Dirty Muskie, Cleveland Steamer, Pittsburgh Platter, Chili-Dog, Roman Helmet, German Knuckle Cake, Swiss-Army Knife, and the Alabama Hot Pocket are out of the question?ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Dude. These are things you just SHOULD NOT KNOW.slym2none wrote:I was gonna make a "Dirty Sanchez" joke, but thought better of it...
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To me, from my perception, it rests entirely with the position of the wrist in relation to the hand. I've seen it FAR too many times to not recognize it.wrunow wrote:I read this thread again for the first time in a while. I think the "gayness" that is described comes not from the arm posing, but from the posture of the "floating" Solar through space or air or whatever with his upper torso forward. I think many comic artist at times tend to angle the female characters upper torso forward a little to accentuate certain body parts that the fan boys find cool. Because of this and our familiarization with comic art we might mispercieve the Solar statue as looking a little "faggy".

How about...instead of "faggy"...we just call it "a tad more feminine than usually seen in males."?

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Yes, I'm sure if I called your mother the sweetest, kindest, most wonderful woman ever known, it would seem to you like an insult.steverino wrote:It's not so much 'criticism' as it is making fun of it, or at least seems like it.Knightt wrote:If someone thinks that they can produce something and not receive any criticism, then they are fooling themselves. Just because one's opinion does not match with the gen pop is no reason to not even 'take criticism. That is just absurd. "oh, I don't like your opinion, so I will not accept it."
That's just you. No one is making fun of anything, and you're just trying to bait another fight.
Ok, Steve, you can drop the passive/aggressive "some members" nonsense. All of us know you're talking about ME, so enough already. Do try and grow up.These pieces are being specially made for a select audience with special care.
I think he is owed more gratitude and respect than he is being show by 'some' members.svair wrote:the ones for us will be one of a kind items..he will paint, and work on each 1 individually...as with the penguins..
As for "gratitude and respect"...no offense, but Sean Chen hasn't done anything for me, personally, to merit my gratitude...just as *I* have never done anything for HIM to merit HIS, just as YOU have never done anything to merit my gratitude, or John Byrne hasn't, or Louise Parker hasn't, or the homeless guy down the street hasn't. If that were to change, I have no doubt that gratitude would be shown. I don't know the guy, and he doesn't know me. There's nothing wrong with that, it just is.
After all....a stranger is a friend you haven't met yet.

(no offense intended Sean, and I hope you understand that in the manner in which it was given.)
And I show everyone the same amount of respect they show me. None of my posts have been discourteous or disrespectful. Opinions were asked for, opinions were given.
Sean seems to have understood what I posted...
Why can't you?
(that's a rhetorical question, every single person reading this knows you're just trying to pick YET ANOTHER fight. Please stop.)
That's fantastic....but ol' 400 over there (or is he over here...?'Side's, as I've said before, he seems to have appealed to his audience.
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No, he just meant disrespect to me.I really didn't mean any disrespect to you Knightt. I hope we're still cool!

You've said, on no less than four occasions, that you were ignoring me....when are you actually going to DO that.....?
Why don't you just go by your own rules you created on Lyria and just ignore me. None of this was meant to inflame an argument. Instead, you had to dig and find an argument.
Period.
In case you've forgotten those rules, I went ahead and found them:
I'm sure he'll be all ears.
Here's an idea. Since nothing I post seems to please you, and you obviously take offense in EVERYTHING I say, regardless.
And, since I don't post NEARLY as much as you, clearly indicated by the post count, why don't you put me on ignore? That way, we are ignoring each other.
Get it?
PS= Solar fans would be the target consumers for a Solar statue. However, I am not much of a Solar fan, so therefore, not only has he appealed to the target consumer, but to the common Valiant fan such as myself.
Period.
In case you've forgotten those rules, I went ahead and found them:
If you are not willing to follow these rules, please PM Greg and explain to him why these rules are so important on Lyria and why they must be followed on Lyria, but on not worth following on ValiantFans.com.ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
1. If someone says something you don't like, but it's not directed at you, for the sake of peace on the board, just ignore it. It makes no sense to be constantly causing confrontations with people you will never change, and who have no real impact on your life.
2. If someone says something you don't agree with, and you already have a history of conflict with that person, don't provoke the situation by posting a response, any response, no matter how tame and unoffensive YOU may think it is. It will only create problems.
3. As long as it's not directed at you....just ignore it.
4. If it IS directed at you....instead of inflaming the situation further, ask the board moderators to talk to that person privately, then ask that they remove the offending post entirely. They will...in the interest of peace...gladly consider your request.
Remember: the easiest way to avoid conflict is not to start it in the first place. That goes for ALL of us.
I'm sure he'll be all ears.
I've told you, the page loads wrong when I have people on ignore, meaning you. I've already put my problem in the proper thread.ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:You've said, on no less than four occasions, that you were ignoring me....when are you actually going to DO that.....?
Here's an idea. Since nothing I post seems to please you, and you obviously take offense in EVERYTHING I say, regardless.

Get it?
PS= Solar fans would be the target consumers for a Solar statue. However, I am not much of a Solar fan, so therefore, not only has he appealed to the target consumer, but to the common Valiant fan such as myself.

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When you stop referring to me in any way, including references that don't mention me by name, but clearly refer to me, then I will be more than thrilled to go back to my policy of ignoring you.steverino wrote:Why don't you just go by your own rules you created on Lyria and just ignore me.
If you wish to keep baiting me, then it's not going to happen.
Ignore doesn't work one way, champ.
This is just a plain lie. You know it. I know it. Everyone reading this knows it, and even commented on it.None of this was meant to inflame an argument. Instead, you had to dig and find an argument.
When is enough enough with you?
Don't be a lying, intellectually dishonest dope. You very well WERE directing it at me. Duh.In case you've forgotten those rules, I went ahead and found them:
If you are not willing to follow these rules, please PM Greg and explain to him why these rules are so important on Lyria and why they must be followed on Lyria, but on not worth following on ValiantFans.com.ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
1. If someone says something you don't like, but it's not directed at you, for the sake of peace on the board, just ignore it. It makes no sense to be constantly causing confrontations with people you will never change, and who have no real impact on your life.
2. If someone says something you don't agree with, and you already have a history of conflict with that person, don't provoke the situation by posting a response, any response, no matter how tame and unoffensive YOU may think it is. It will only create problems.
3. As long as it's not directed at you....just ignore it.
4. If it IS directed at you....instead of inflaming the situation further, ask the board moderators to talk to that person privately, then ask that they remove the offending post entirely. They will...in the interest of peace...gladly consider your request.
Remember: the easiest way to avoid conflict is not to start it in the first place. That goes for ALL of us.
Even though the rules should apply everywhere, Greg is not responsible for the content of Lyria, so PMing him such a thing would be stupid, foolish, and *SQUEE*. You may not have noticed, but I don't post on Lyria anymore, and have posted but once in the last several weeks. Trolls like you who operate unchecked are why.
So, enjoy your "victory" over there, hollow though it is.
Oh, and nice to see you've finally stopped lying about who you really are. Everyone saw right through THAT one....nice for you to finally fess up to it.
I am more than willing to follow these rules...but since you have a severe comprehension problem, let me again say this: rule #1 does not therefore grant license for you to say whatever you wish in reference to me, and then quote the rules back to me and whine that "the rules aren't being followed."
Rule #3 SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES your bullsh!t postings. You don't get to refer to me, however coy and clever you think you're being, when it's obvious to any idiot with a 3rd grade education that you're clearly referring to me. The simple fact is, the rule that YOU bolded was the rule YOU specifically broke. Just because you don't mention me by name or quote me doesn't mean that you can insult the intelligence of everyone on this board by trying to claim you weren't referring to me.
So stop with yout intellectually dishonest "oh, I wasn't referring to YOU!' bullsh!t. It stinks, and everone knows it.
No one's buying what you're trying to peddle.
Please...read the rules again and follow them.
Yeah, and I care about your computer problems...why?I've told you, the page loads wrong when I have people on ignore, meaning you. I've already put my problem in the proper thread.ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:You've said, on no less than four occasions, that you were ignoring me....when are you actually going to DO that.....?
Here's a hint: one doesn't actually have to use the PHYSICAL ignore feature to ACTUALLY ignore someone.
Are you that lacking in self control that you cannot just skip anything you see by me?
When you stop referring to me, however coyly and obliquely, I will be JUMPING UP AND DOWN WITH JOY to ignore you.Here's an idea. Since nothing I post seems to please you, and you obviously take offense in EVERYTHING I say, regardless.And, since I don't post NEARLY as much as you, clearly indicated by the post count, why don't you put me on ignore? That way, we are ignoring each other.
Until then...no dice.
And you could very easily "please me" with your posts (though you don't care for a second about "pleasing me")...stop referring to me in any way. That means not only DIRECTLY referring, but INDIRECTLT referring, as you have done all OVER this thread and other places.
Oh, and please don't think you're so special that EVERYTHING you post offends me...only your never ending personal attacks, which seem to be every 2 of 3 of your posts, do that.
In your opinion, and only because it supports your agenda.PS= Solar fans would be the target consumers for a Solar statue. However, I am not much of a Solar fan, so therefore, not only has he appealed to the target consumer, but to the common Valiant fan such as myself.
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Well, Chen. I for one am not a statue guy either. However, I'm not going to pass up this offer if I can help it. It really impresses me that you'd do this for us, and I for one greatly appreciate it.
My personal opinion (as I've stated twice before) is with the majority of the posters here. Keep it the way it is. As the old saying goes: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Thanks.
My personal opinion (as I've stated twice before) is with the majority of the posters here. Keep it the way it is. As the old saying goes: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Thanks.

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I can understand the meaning behind the pose, and like the concept. However, it is hard for me to decide on the "gayness" factor based on just two pictures. Is there any way you can post a few more pictures from different angles?Sean Chen wrote:Before I commit to casting multiples of the Solar statue, I want to get opinions of the gayness factor brought up by ZephyrWasHot. Even though the molds have been made, the "limp wristed" hand in question is actually a separate mold all itself. If changes to the right hand are in order, it would really not be that much trouble.
There are a diffrent schools of thought when it comes to portraying Solar. Some draw him as a muscular Superman type, others see him as lythe and graceful wielding the power of a god so physical muscles aren't his thing. The statue shows Solar in the typical BWS pre-Raphaelite lyrical pose that has all the power in his fingertips to obliterate a planet.
The hand in question alludes to the famous Michelangelo portrayal of God imparting life into Adam with a touch of a fingertip. To me it was an attempt to show power with or through grace.
I realise that how a work of art comes across is very subjective, and it is often hard to control how a piece is perceived. The reason why we show works in progress on this site is to make sure that piece develops on course with its intent. That is where you guys come in. In fact, I can only produce an armfull of these statues so it is likely that you guys will be the only people that ever receive one. If you don't want to look up and see a red flaming homo on your mantle, then by all means lets do something about it because we can. After all, its your hundred bucks I'm after.
I think a poll is in order. I can change the hand to close the space between his fingers and the thumb and align them directly forward as if he is about to unleash a blast beam (ala Nexus), or leave it as is.
Let me know your thoughts.
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I have always thought a great idea for a Solar statue who be the cover of Solar 3. I really like the contrast of the characters and you could produce X number of one and then have the 2nd one made only to order from those who bought the first.

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In a poll of Gay-Sayers vs Nay-Sayers, consider me in the Nay group. I think the statue looks fine the way it is.
If you ever have time to waste, just check out how many threads here 'go gay', and you'll see that there are alot of board members here with a 'queer-eye' (whether they are straight or not...).
I think the statue looks good, which I will be ordering, and I appreciate your offer to us.
I'm actually surprised that no one has called any of the Penguins gay yet. The first one you make with leftover ice cream on his upper lip will be the first to go gay.
(FYI---My ice cream reference is in regards to a joke Kevin VanHook used in his "Voodoo Moon" movie, which premiered on the Sci-Fi Channel two weeks ago.)---Steve

If you ever have time to waste, just check out how many threads here 'go gay', and you'll see that there are alot of board members here with a 'queer-eye' (whether they are straight or not...).
I think the statue looks good, which I will be ordering, and I appreciate your offer to us.
I'm actually surprised that no one has called any of the Penguins gay yet. The first one you make with leftover ice cream on his upper lip will be the first to go gay.

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A statue of the Solar figure from issue #3 already exists. It is the one that was put out by Dynamic Forces. There are many pics of in on these boards under different headings.
Perhaps I can sculpt a companion Phil Seleski figure to put behind it so that it truly resembles issue #3 cover. The only thing that concerns me is that I might be accused of creating a gay scenario btw. the two figures as they appear in the cover.
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Perhaps I can sculpt a companion Phil Seleski figure to put behind it so that it truly resembles issue #3 cover. The only thing that concerns me is that I might be accused of creating a gay scenario btw. the two figures as they appear in the cover.
-Sean