Will we ever get the official scoop on who VIP was/were?

[jedimarley]

Did he just tell cin to go F himself???

No, that was not my intention.

Don't mind him, he's just ribbing you.

"Don't mind him"????

If jedimarley takes the time to get the ribbed version, you better pay him some attention.

For your pleasure?

[Daniel Jackson]

Did he just tell cin to go F himself???

No, that was not my intention.

Don't mind him, he's just ribbing you.

"Don't mind him"????

If jedimarley takes the time to get the ribbed version, you better pay him some attention.

For your pleasure?

[jedimarley]

No, that was not my intention.

Don't mind him, he's just ribbing you.

"Don't mind him"????

If jedimarley takes the time to get the ribbed version, you better pay him some attention.

For your pleasure?

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

<cracking knuckles>....ahhhhh....this will be good.

So, The Leaf DOESN'T crack me up...?

I'm glad you enjoy his posts.

Thank you, I do.

Or, his post wasn't pithy and well timed....? .

It was pithy, but the timing and relevance are what I personally disagree with.

That's fine....but you're wrong. The Leaf's statement was dead spot on, and couched in a humorous observance to drive the point home.

Who VIP is/was is the proverbial elephant in the room...or used to be...and no one can talk about it directly.

The question here was will we ever get an official response - for the record, now that that VEI has gotten over the legal hurdle. There have certainly been discussions of it, and well constructed ones

No. You've already been told that, several times, by several members. Clearly, you have little or no experience with Non-Disclosure Agreements. A Non-Disclosure Agreement means NO ONE CAN SAY ANYTHING, under penalty of litigation.

Now you're trying to ask the same question, over and over, hoping for a different response.....?

What is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting the outcome to be different the definition of.........?

Cause the first is indisputable, as it's MY analysis of MY reaction....and the second is a matter of opinion.

So, where's the "no, not really" part come in....?

I wasn't referring to the first part. That really doesn't matter to me one way or another. The second is indeed a matter of opinion, and as to that we seem to disagree.

The Leaf's statement was accurate, whether or not you think it was well timed or not. Really, we're engaging in pointless rhetoric, now.

[quote="geomancer]]Unless the central question of this thread has been officially and clearly addressed somewhere else. If so, I'd be grateful for a link.

You got the answer. The answer is this: VEI cannot comment. However, those "in the know" have stated, OFF THE RECORD, that VIP was, in fact, DF. No one will confirm or deny this publicly.

I certainly don't know for sure, and if I did, I wouldn't tell you.

It's entirely up to you whether you believe that or not, but you're certainly never going to get a better, clearer answer from VEI OR VIP, unless you get it "off the record" from someone in either camp.

I read the response by Brian Cronin myself, and am appreciative of it as I was of each and every post from those genuinely joining in the dicussion.

The "if I knew it I wouldn't tell you" comment is childish of you, but you seem to appreciate that sort of thing. Perhaps your version of pithy and well timed.

Again....you clearly have little or no experience with NDAs. If I knew anything, which I do not officially, I couldn't tell you EITHER WAY, even if I knew officially (<---see the paradox that NDAs make?) I would have to TELL you I didn't know, even if I did (meaning, I would have to lie.)

NO ONE can tell you anything. They can't even tell you IF they DO know. That's the POINT of a NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT.

If you think that's childish, you must think every person who's ever said that to anyone else must be "childish" as well. Frustrating? YOU BET! Of COURSE it's frustrating. Not being able to disclose the details of a settlement, and not even being able to say whether you even KNOW the details of that settlement is the main POINT of an NDA. It's FRUSTRATING, but it's certainly not "childish."

Welcome to Tort Law in the United States in the 21st Century!

As far as your comment regarding what I do and do not appreciate, THAT was rather petulant of you. In one paragraph, you state you "don't know what you are used to in here", but in another, you feel confident enough to be able to state what you think I "seem" to appreciate.....?

NICE!

I thought I'd check and see what kind of answer I could get, so I opened a thread. I can accept that trolling or post padding responses will happen. But when I see them I will always point them out for what they are. Online or face to face.

No one here is trolling or "post padding." I would suggest, when you BELIEVE you see them, instead of making a federal case out of nothing, you refrain from "pointing them out for what they are."

I don't know what you are used to in here.

Then, my friend, I would suggest you take some time and LEARN what "we" are used to, in here.

Let me give you a quick primer: this board has a DISTINCTIVE fraternal and convivial atmosphere, an atmosphere carefully cultivated by the board's owner, and now its moderators. 999 times out of 1,000, if a comment can be considered two possible ways, jovially or confrontationally, it will have been intended jovially. It is a nice environment and has led to a solid regular membership, MANY of whom have stated, at many times, that THIS is the only board they post on with any regularity precisely BECAUSE of this fraternal atmosphere.

That, then, is what this board is "used to."

I don't really care.

Those who don't care about the reactions and concerns of the people on this board quickly find themselves no longer part of this board, either voluntarily or forcefully. This is not a threat, but an observation of fact. Those who "don't care" cannot possibly integrate themselves successfully.

But if I ask a question or get involved in a discussion and see comments that challenge or mock the discussion itself - I will respond the way I have every single time. Count on it.

[/quote]

Well, isn't that precious...?

You should, as should everyone on the internet, expect everything to be challenged...and rightfully so. If an opinion is not worth fighting for (and I don't mean aggressively, I mean vigorously), then it is not worth having at all.

As far as "mock"...nobody here was mocking you OR the discussion.

One more time: if you don't understand the environment here, or are OPPOSED to it, you are going to be fighting an uphill battle by taking things seriously that were not meant to be taken so at any time. You cannot change it without changing the foundation of the board, because this board's atmosphere is as much an expression of the owner's personality and philosophies as it is fraternal, so it would be fruitless to even try.

TRUST ME, I know this from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

You apparent angst over this whole situation has NOTHING to do with my side compliment on what The Leaf said. *I* wasn't even the one who made the "objectionable" observation in the first place! I merely COMPLIMENTED it! And now, we have several lengthy posts because of a side compliment...?



Finally...and I mean this quite seriously, so please do not misunderstand: LIGHTEN UP.

You'll find the board FAR more enjoyable that way.

[Chiclo]

Did he just tell cin to go F himself???

No, that was not my intention.

Don't mind him, he's just ribbing you.

"Don't mind him"????

If jedimarley takes the time to get the ribbed version, you better pay him some attention.

For your pleasure?

Some jokes are too obvious to pass on.

[slym2none]

Did he just tell cin to go F himself???

No, that was not my intention.

Don't mind him, he's just ribbing you.

"Don't mind him"????

If jedimarley takes the time to get the ribbed version, you better pay him some attention.

For your pleasure?

I always turn those things inside-out. Why should she be getting all the pleasure???

Weird thing is, I don't feel anything differently...



-slym (wonders how many jokes he just set himself up for)

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Awwww, come on. That was funny!

I, for one, chose to let sleeping dogs lie...*



* PLEASE NOTE: I am not saying anything about the honesty or integrity of ZWH's canines.

See, Geomancer? THAT is PRECISELY the type of response we like around here.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

cin...always the voice of reason...

if i'm the voice of reason then you all should be very, very afraid.

They mostly come out at night...


.....mostly.....

[Todd Luck]

also, several of us have looked at the art in the VIP "tr"ashcan and said, "damn...that looks a lot like jae lee."

check this link homeskillet...

http://books.monstersandcritics.com/com ... ed_in_July

Dynamic Forces president Nick Barrucci said he was proud to have helped bring Hellshock back to comic-reading audiences.
"Jae is not only a top talent in this business, but he’s also a close personal friend," said Barrucci. "Working with him on this project, and presenting a completed HELLSHOCK to the fans has been a truly rewarding experience."

it's been my experience that 1 + 1 almost always = 2.

"hey jae, remember when i helped publish that hellshock book for ya? how about knocking out some 5 minutes sketches for me! you da man pal!"

suck on that VIP.

Times have changed. I remember when the ashcan first got on the internet and someone on a news site posted "That looks like Jae Lee." and people on this board accused him of being pro-VIP. LOL

[cinlach@aol.com]

also, several of us have looked at the art in the VIP "tr"ashcan and said, "damn...that looks a lot like jae lee."

check this link homeskillet...

http://books.monstersandcritics.com/com ... ed_in_July

Dynamic Forces president Nick Barrucci said he was proud to have helped bring Hellshock back to comic-reading audiences.
"Jae is not only a top talent in this business, but he’s also a close personal friend," said Barrucci. "Working with him on this project, and presenting a completed HELLSHOCK to the fans has been a truly rewarding experience."

it's been my experience that 1 + 1 almost always = 2.

"hey jae, remember when i helped publish that hellshock book for ya? how about knocking out some 5 minutes sketches for me! you da man pal!"

suck on that VIP.

Times have changed. I remember when the ashcan first got on the internet and someone on a news site posted "That looks like Jae Lee." and people on this board accused him of being pro-VIP. LOL

frankly i could care less whether jae lee, pat lee, jim lee, bruce lee, or lee majors drew those pictures...it matters not to me.

most likely if jae lee did do that that work, he was paid for it and i doubt that would label him as "pro-vip".

now if he sought them out and offered to do the work for free then yes...that would be what i personally would call "pro-vip".

it's entirely possible that he asked personally for his name not to be associated with the project.

also, this very easily could've been some young artist who idolizes jae's style...hence the strong resemblance to his work.

i'm not going to waste time getting all worked up over who the artist was...it was crap, whoever it was...regardless of the product involved.

honestly i think the "tr"ashcan was the worst thing vip could've done...they showed everyone exactly what they were planning right there, and really...did anyone like it?

did any fan anywhere look at that monstrosity and go, "holy hell! that's badazz!"

somehow i doubt it.

[cinlach@aol.com]

<cracking knuckles>....ahhhhh....this will be good.

So, The Leaf DOESN'T crack me up...?

I'm glad you enjoy his posts.

Thank you, I do.

Or, his post wasn't pithy and well timed....? .

It was pithy, but the timing and relevance are what I personally disagree with.

That's fine....but you're wrong. The Leaf's statement was dead spot on, and couched in a humorous observance to drive the point home.

Who VIP is/was is the proverbial elephant in the room...or used to be...and no one can talk about it directly.

The question here was will we ever get an official response - for the record, now that that VEI has gotten over the legal hurdle. There have certainly been discussions of it, and well constructed ones

No. You've already been told that, several times, by several members. Clearly, you have little or no experience with Non-Disclosure Agreements. A Non-Disclosure Agreement means NO ONE CAN SAY ANYTHING, under penalty of litigation.

Now you're trying to ask the same question, over and over, hoping for a different response.....?

What is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting the outcome to be different the definition of.........?

Cause the first is indisputable, as it's MY analysis of MY reaction....and the second is a matter of opinion.

So, where's the "no, not really" part come in....?

I wasn't referring to the first part. That really doesn't matter to me one way or another. The second is indeed a matter of opinion, and as to that we seem to disagree.

The Leaf's statement was accurate, whether or not you think it was well timed or not. Really, we're engaging in pointless rhetoric, now.

[quote="geomancer]]Unless the central question of this thread has been officially and clearly addressed somewhere else. If so, I'd be grateful for a link.

You got the answer. The answer is this: VEI cannot comment. However, those "in the know" have stated, OFF THE RECORD, that VIP was, in fact, DF. No one will confirm or deny this publicly.

I certainly don't know for sure, and if I did, I wouldn't tell you.

It's entirely up to you whether you believe that or not, but you're certainly never going to get a better, clearer answer from VEI OR VIP, unless you get it "off the record" from someone in either camp.

I read the response by Brian Cronin myself, and am appreciative of it as I was of each and every post from those genuinely joining in the dicussion.

The "if I knew it I wouldn't tell you" comment is childish of you, but you seem to appreciate that sort of thing. Perhaps your version of pithy and well timed.

Again....you clearly have little or no experience with NDAs. If I knew anything, which I do not officially, I couldn't tell you EITHER WAY, even if I knew officially (<---see the paradox that NDAs make?) I would have to TELL you I didn't know, even if I did (meaning, I would have to lie.)

NO ONE can tell you anything. They can't even tell you IF they DO know. That's the POINT of a NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT.

If you think that's childish, you must think every person who's ever said that to anyone else must be "childish" as well. Frustrating? YOU BET! Of COURSE it's frustrating. Not being able to disclose the details of a settlement, and not even being able to say whether you even KNOW the details of that settlement is the main POINT of an NDA. It's FRUSTRATING, but it's certainly not "childish."

Welcome to Tort Law in the United States in the 21st Century!

As far as your comment regarding what I do and do not appreciate, THAT was rather petulant of you. In one paragraph, you state you "don't know what you are used to in here", but in another, you feel confident enough to be able to state what you think I "seem" to appreciate.....?

NICE!

I thought I'd check and see what kind of answer I could get, so I opened a thread. I can accept that trolling or post padding responses will happen. But when I see them I will always point them out for what they are. Online or face to face.

No one here is trolling or "post padding." I would suggest, when you BELIEVE you see them, instead of making a federal case out of nothing, you refrain from "pointing them out for what they are."

I don't know what you are used to in here.

Then, my friend, I would suggest you take some time and LEARN what "we" are used to, in here.

Let me give you a quick primer: this board has a DISTINCTIVE fraternal and convivial atmosphere, an atmosphere carefully cultivated by the board's owner, and now its moderators. 999 times out of 1,000, if a comment can be considered two possible ways, jovially or confrontationally, it will have been intended jovially. It is a nice environment and has led to a solid regular membership, MANY of whom have stated, at many times, that THIS is the only board they post on with any regularity precisely BECAUSE of this fraternal atmosphere.

That, then, is what this board is "used to."

I don't really care.

Those who don't care about the reactions and concerns of the people on this board quickly find themselves no longer part of this board, either voluntarily or forcefully. This is not a threat, but an observation of fact. Those who "don't care" cannot possibly integrate themselves successfully.

But if I ask a question or get involved in a discussion and see comments that challenge or mock the discussion itself - I will respond the way I have every single time. Count on it.

Well, isn't that precious...?

You should, as should everyone on the internet, expect everything to be challenged...and rightfully so. If an opinion is not worth fighting for (and I don't mean aggressively, I mean vigorously), then it is not worth having at all.

As far as "mock"...nobody here was mocking you OR the discussion.

One more time: if you don't understand the environment here, or are OPPOSED to it, you are going to be fighting an uphill battle by taking things seriously that were not meant to be taken so at any time. You cannot change it without changing the foundation of the board, because this board's atmosphere is as much an expression of the owner's personality and philosophies as it is fraternal, so it would be fruitless to even try.

TRUST ME, I know this from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

You apparent angst over this whole situation has NOTHING to do with my side compliment on what The Leaf said. *I* wasn't even the one who made the "objectionable" observation in the first place! I merely COMPLIMENTED it! And now, we have several lengthy posts because of a side compliment...?



Finally...and I mean this quite seriously, so please do not misunderstand: LIGHTEN UP.

You'll find the board FAR more enjoyable that way.

[/quote]

i ended with the same sentiment and got there in 40,000 less words...i rock!

or possibly i'm too lazy to go into the depth zwh does.

regardless, i rock!

[Geomancer]

That's fine....but you're wrong. The Leaf's statement was dead spot on, and couched in a humorous observance to drive the point home.

Again the best we can expect here is to agree to disagree

[geomancer]The question here was will we ever get an official response - for the record, now that that VEI has gotten over the legal hurdle. There have certainly been discussions of it, and well constructed ones ]

No. You've already been told that, several times, by several members. Clearly, you have little or no experience with Non-Disclosure Agreements. A Non-Disclosure Agreement means NO ONE CAN SAY ANYTHING, under penalty of litigation.

If you have such discomfort with the continuation of this discussion, why are you still in it? Clearly fellow members do not feel this way or share this view so why try to interfere wit its continuation?

I am familiar with NDAs having signed them and had people sign them over the years – so that is an incorrect assumption on your part

Now you're trying to ask the same question, over and over, hoping for a different response.....?

No I was re-iterating the question to get the thread back on track.

What is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting the outcome to be different the definition of.........?

Since that is a good description of yourself, you need to ask yourself that question about your own actions.

we're engaging in pointless rhetoric, now.

I agree.

You got the answer. The answer is this: VEI cannot comment. However, those "in the know" have stated, OFF THE RECORD, that VIP was, in fact, DF. No one will confirm or deny this publicly.

I certainly don't know for sure, and if I did, I wouldn't tell you.

It's entirely up to you whether you believe that or not, but you're certainly never going to get a better, clearer answer from VEI OR VIP, unless you get it "off the record" from someone in either camp.

Clearly there has already been some response since the question was asked. So it was worth asking and judging by participation, appreciated. I disagree with what you say here in that further discussion through other channels, as Brain Cronin could potentially be offering, may open doors to further insight or confirmation.

Again....you clearly have little or no experience with NDAs. If I knew anything, which I do not officially, I couldn't tell you EITHER WAY, even if I knew officially (<---see the paradox that NDAs make?) I would have to TELL you I didn't know, even if I did (meaning, I would have to lie.)

Again, you are mistaken. As for your earlier response there was no mention of NDAs, only “if I knew I wouldn’t tell you.” So I stand by my response. This side issue on NDAs is a simple misunderstanding or willful misdirection.

As far as your comment regarding what I do and do not appreciate, THAT was rather petulant of you. In one paragraph, you state you "don't know what you are used to in here", but in another, you feel confident enough to be able to state what you think I "seem" to appreciate.....?

NICE!

This is something we are both guilty of. There is no moral high ground here.

No one here is trolling or "post padding." I would suggest, when you BELIEVE you see them, instead of making a federal case out of nothing, you refrain from "pointing them out for what they are."

Trolling as I see it includes entering into a thread and disparaging the thread itself or trying to re-direct it into an unrelated tangential direction.

The post padding was an assumption on my part, and I retract it.

I don't know what you are used to in here.

By that I was questioning whether you are used to people deferring to you or humoring you. I think you can already tell that I am not going to be deferring to you, and what respect you get from me will have to be earned through substantive comments about Valiant comics. The humoring part depends on how things go from here.

Then, my friend, I would suggest you take some time and LEARN what "we" are used to, in here. .

My friend I have. I have browsed often before I joined and since. I have already addressed this in an earlier post.

Let me give you a quick primer: this board has a DISTINCTIVE fraternal and convivial atmosphere, an atmosphere carefully cultivated by the board's owner, and now its moderators. 999 times out of 1,000, if a comment can be considered two possible ways, jovially or confrontationally, it will have been intended jovially. It is a nice environment and has led to a solid regular membership, MANY of whom have stated, at many times, that THIS is the only board they post on with any regularity precisely BECAUSE of this fraternal atmosphere. .

Those who don't care about the reactions and concerns of the people on this board quickly find themselves no longer part of this board, either voluntarily or forcefully. This is not a threat, but an observation of fact. Those who "don't care" cannot possibly integrate themselves successfully. .

Fraternal and convivial is a mutual thing. Not all threads have to hit the same repetitive note, do they? Having every thread devolve into some tangent is not fraternal but self indulgent. This compulsion to cause every thread to degenerate and require people to put up with it or leave has nothing to do with Valiant comics. At best it’s a forced joviality that only extends brotherhood to that fraction of valiant fans or potential valiant fans with a particular eccentric taste of humor, and a distinct intolerance for dissent.

I do regret having said ‘I don’t care.’

You should, as should everyone on the internet, expect everything to be challenged...and rightfully so. If an opinion is not worth fighting for (and I don't mean aggressively, I mean vigorously), then it is not worth having at all.

One more time: if you don't understand the environment here, or are OPPOSED to it, you are going to be fighting an uphill battle by taking things seriously that were not meant to be taken so at any time. You cannot change it without changing the foundation of the board, because this board's atmosphere is as much an expression of the owner's personality and philosophies as it is fraternal, so it would be fruitless to even try.

TRUST ME, I know this from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. .

I am not at all concerned with an uphill battle. But its my belief as someone who has been around for a while, that I am not just speaking for myself here, otherwise I would not have done so. Is drowning out those with different preferences a genuine source of pride for you? Do you feel some sense of accomplishment when fellow members try to have a conversation in here and you succeed in disrupting it?
If I am correct in interpreting what you are saying, then this is not meant to be THE board for Valiant fans. Instead its only meant to be A board for those valiant fans with a certain personality type and that there is no room or consideration for those who just want to talk comics.

You apparent angst over this whole situation has NOTHING to do with my side compliment on what The Leaf said. *I* wasn't even the one who made the "objectionable" observation in the first place! I merely COMPLIMENTED it! And now, we have several lengthy posts because of a side compliment...?

.

If there is angst involved here, then it is mutual. Complimenting something, essentially repeats and endorses it. So it is disingenuous to try and step back and try to say ‘it wasn’t me.’

Finally...and I mean this quite seriously, so please do not misunderstand: LIGHTEN UP.

You'll find the board FAR more enjoyable that way.

I appreciate what you are saying, but you also need to take your own advice. You could have taken the same approach after my first response, but clearly you yourself did not lighten up.

I do enjoy this board. I enjoy it for the opportunity to share my interest in valiant comics. There is a lot of humor here, and I appreciate a good portion of it. But I see some individuals too self absorbed to notice or care that not everyone is laughing at their antics, and that my friend is not fraternal or convivial.

I have already received confirmation that I am not alone in this. Part of mutual respect would be using some discretion as to when comments enhance a thread or detract from them. I hope that is the direction we go in, and hopefully not one of the other alternatives.

[Chiclo]

tl;dr.

Looks like Z has a new playmate.

[ManofTheAtom]

Larry, Curly, Curly Joe, Shemp, and Moe, would you mind stopping this endless retoric and letting the thread get back on track? I for one would like this topic to continue uninterrupted.

Despite Zephyr's assertion that a public answer is impossible to get, there is evidence of at least one individual (Christopher Priest) who could shed light on the subject of VIP's true identity, and I for one would like Brian (the Comic Book Legends guy) to look in on it.

It doesn't help the case to have Brian open this thread and see you fighting over stupid comments (of which all of you are guilty of making).

If you have the urge to keep fighting, please take it elsewhere and let this thread continue without your scuffle.

[depluto]

I already apologized to Geomancer for pooping in the thread earlier. He's right, not every thread has to be filled up with goofy comments, and it's nice to see that guys like Cronin and Greg put some good info in here to help answer his question.

That said, I also like watching a good scrap. And if somebody would write "<shakes fist>" I'd be tickled pink.[/i]

[jedimarley]

I already apologized to Geomancer for pooping in the thread earlier. He's right, not every thread has to be filled up with goofy comments, and it's nice to see that guys like Cronin and Greg put some good info in here to help answer his question.

That said, I also like watching a good scrap. And if somebody would write "<shakes fist>" I'd be tickled pink.[/i]

Cram it up your cram hole.

[depluto]

Oh yeah?

[/i]!

[Chiclo]

Larry, Curly, Curly Joe, Shemp, and Moe, would you mind stopping this endless retoric and letting the thread get back on track? I for one would like this topic to continue uninterrupted.

Despite Zephyr's assertion that a public answer is impossible to get, there is evidence of at least one individual (Christopher Priest) who could shed light on the subject of VIP's true identity, and I for one would like Brian (the Comic Book Legends guy) to look in on it.

It doesn't help the case to have Brian open this thread and see you fighting over stupid comments (of which all of you are guilty of making).

If you have the urge to keep fighting, please take it elsewhere and let this thread continue without your scuffle.

Wait... this is coming from MoTA?

[Geomancer]

I already apologized to Geomancer for pooping in the thread earlier. He's right, not every thread has to be filled up with goofy comments, and it's nice to see that guys like Cronin and Greg put some good info in here to help answer his question.

That said, I also like watching a good scrap. And if somebody would write "<shakes fist>" I'd be tickled pink.[/i]

We understand each other and we're all good.

I respect depluto.

[jedimarley]

Oh yeah?

[/i]!

[jedimarley]

I already apologized to Geomancer for pooping in the thread earlier. He's right, not every thread has to be filled up with goofy comments, and it's nice to see that guys like Cronin and Greg put some good info in here to help answer his question.

That said, I also like watching a good scrap. And if somebody would write "<shakes fist>" I'd be tickled pink.[/i]

We understand each other and we're all good.

I respect depluto.

Awww. The noob forgives depluto.

[Geomancer]

Larry, Curly, Curly Joe, Shemp, and Moe, would you mind stopping this endless retoric and letting the thread get back on track? I for one would like this topic to continue uninterrupted.

Despite Zephyr's assertion that a public answer is impossible to get, there is evidence of at least one individual (Christopher Priest) who could shed light on the subject of VIP's true identity, and I for one would like Brian (the Comic Book Legends guy) to look in on it.

It doesn't help the case to have Brian open this thread and see you fighting over stupid comments (of which all of you are guilty of making).

If you have the urge to keep fighting, please take it elsewhere and let this thread continue without your scuffle.

Mota,

I have sent a follow up email to Brian cronin. I included your earlier Priest-related quote to make sure he saw it. [and fully quoted you on it - I hope you don't mind]

[Geomancer]

Awww. The noob forgives depluto.

noob.

Now thats funny.

[ManofTheAtom]

Mota,

I have sent a follow up email to Brian cronin. I included your earlier Priest-related quote to make sure he saw it. [and fully quoted you on it - I hope you don't mind]

Not at all.

[depluto]

Oh yeah?

[/i]!

[/i]!