Savage #1 (LaRosa 1:50) will be LESS than 350 copies.

[TheeBaldMoose]

Maybe there were more shops ordering, say 15, but very few took the risk to grab 50. That would equal a sellout, but limit those who actually reached the true 50 comics purchase that was needed to get that variant.



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[Dallow Spicer1]

Maybe there were more shops ordering, say 15, but very few took the risk to grab 50. That would equal a sellout, but limit those who actually reached the true 50 comics purchase that was needed to get that variant.



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Yes but Collectors Paradise said copes of the 1:50 were plentiful and a $20 price tag supports that....but how?

[onearmedwampa3000]

I try to get all the variants. I'm pretty close now, but I've got to catch up on some Faith and 4001 stuff. I know they will be worth less than what I paid for them. I know a few books will be worth tons more. It doesn't quite even out, but I buy and sell books to support my habit. I try to break even, and if I assume my books are worthless, and they bring me happiness, then I will always be pleasantly surprised if they are worth anything at all.

If I get any extra Savage 1:50s, I'll offer them here to members who don't have one, for what I paid for them. Board members will covet them. Flippers will flip.

That would be awesome! Put me on that list. Thanks!

[onearmedwampa3000]

Nothing is out the window (yet). Most LCS's and many eBay sellers simply do not read about Valiant print runs or speculation. If it isn't Psylocke looking sexy in a Venom suit, or a Harley Quinn / Deadpool crossover they often pay little attention.

Use this to your advantage. The CBSI have a STRONG dislike for anything Valiant and will NOT promote this book until the money is visible. As a result, those few thousand speculators won't make much effort until Trey decides to list it in his weekly Hot 10 lol!

Funny you say that about CBSI. I like the site, but you are spot on. I started this thread months ago to try to bring people in. I keep it up weekly, but no one really cares. http://comicbookinvest.com/forum/viewto ... ?f=2&t=578" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[paradise]

Yes but Collectors Paradise said copes of the 1:50 were plentiful and a $20 price tag supports that....but how?

OK, we ordered 2.5K of Britannia #1, pre-sold sets and it was heavily discounted to retailers who could reach goals, and it was also made returnable. You don't know the true print run, because the numbers posted are usually off quite a bit. Some stores had exclusive covers, which means they ordered 500-1000 copies, all those qualifying for variants. For issues 2,3 retailers ordered what they could actually sell. That number is considerably less than a highly discounted, returnable comic would be ordered, thus less 1:50 variants.

How could the math be any different?

[Dallow Spicer1]

Yes but Collectors Paradise said copes of the 1:50 were plentiful and a $20 price tag supports that....but how?

OK, we ordered 2.5K of Britannia #1, pre-sold sets and it was heavily discounted to retailers who could reach goals, and it was also made returnable. You don't know the true print run, because the numbers posted are usually off quite a bit. Some stores had exclusive covers, which means they ordered 500-1000 copies, all those qualifying for variants. For issues 2,3 retailers ordered what they could actually sell. That number is considerably less than a highly discounted, returnable comic would be ordered, thus less 1:50 variants.

How could the math be any different?

So we're saying that the true print run was maybe 25-30k for issue #1? So would you estimate 500 copies of #1 1:50? More?

Cheers for the helpful info

[Elveen]

Yes but Collectors Paradise said copes of the 1:50 were plentiful and a $20 price tag supports that....but how?

OK, we ordered 2.5K of Britannia #1, pre-sold sets and it was heavily discounted to retailers who could reach goals, and it was also made returnable. You don't know the true print run, because the numbers posted are usually off quite a bit. Some stores had exclusive covers, which means they ordered 500-1000 copies, all those qualifying for variants. For issues 2,3 retailers ordered what they could actually sell. That number is considerably less than a highly discounted, returnable comic would be ordered, thus less 1:50 variants.

How could the math be any different?

So we're saying that the true print run was maybe 25-30k for issue #1? So would you estimate 500 copies of #1 1:50? More?

Cheers for the helpful info

I'm not a store. But because the book was returnable, peeps could have ordered TONS and then could have gotten a large amount of the 1;50. looking at the prices and availability on ebay, I'd say its much higher than 500.

But I'm sort of just guestamating.

[paradise]

So we're saying that the true print run was maybe 25-30k for issue #1? So would you estimate 500 copies of #1 1:50? More?
Cheers for the helpful info

I am not saying that at all, because you are being too specific. I have ZERO idea what was the true print run and the amount of the book printed. I am explaining the environment and incentives during which the book came out. You can have fun guessing the outcome, I personally could not give a flying you know what

[greg]

The incentive is 1:50 for retailers, but the publisher can add 200 copies for themselves, another 1,000 to give away at conventions, and they can even print 10,000 more for dropping from an airplane.

Don't confuse ratios for retailers with the actual print run. The ratio is a rule for retailers, but the publisher makes the rules (print run) for everyone... including themselves.

Think of it more like a speed limit. The ones who enforce 50mph (1:50) for retailers are the same cops going 120mph (extra copies) whenever they feel like it... maybe just because it's fun. Or maybe because the cop is late to catch up to a busload of kids at a convention who need a box of free copies for "Meet Your Favorite Cop" panel. (Metaphor Inception)

[Dallow Spicer1]

Anyone care to guess (or know) the first print run of Savage #1? I'm guessing circa 18k

[jeremycoe]

Anyone care to guess (or know) the first print run of Savage #1? I'm guessing circa 18k

The rumor is the numbers are low, so I'll guess 11k.

[Nairbe]

Anyone care to guess (or know) the first print run of Savage #1? I'm guessing circa 18k

The rumor is the numbers are low, so I'll guess 11k.

Valiant mini's have sold pretty well in the past. A 7K drop from Britannia #1 would be shocking to me.

[JCP]

At this point, while I'd love to have a copy of this variant, I just want to read the issue already. DBS's review made it seem like we have another underrated story to enjoy, and maybe a standing series in the future after this mini. But, I'd still really like to get a copy of the variant without killing the pocketbook.

[DirtbagSailor]

InvestComics lists Savage #1 this week; however, NOT the 1:50. So there is more visibility on the other issues, which is good news for Valiant.


http://investcomics.com/features/invest ... -picks-452

[nonplayer]

Does anyone have any idea what the big problem is. Someone f'ed up and I wanna know.

[jeremycoe]

Does anyone have any idea what the big problem is. Someone f'ed up and I wanna know.

The comic shops didn't order enough. If anyone f'ed up it's them. AND that's only if they could have sold a good portion of the 50 books they would have needed to buy to get the 1:50. They have to make wise business decisions.

[TheeBaldMoose]

Does anyone have any idea what the big problem is. Someone f'ed up and I wanna know.

I can only speculate, but maybe they had a low first print run based on the beginning numbers. Then, late in the game( just a week ago?), people started realizing the low variant run, and started ordering as much as they could.

to strengthen this argument, didn't we first hear about the possibility that this could be the lowest variant print run ever, THEN we heard about it going back for a second print? That, or maybe (as I stated earlier) there are more stores ordering, but fewer reaching the variant level

Also, and this is probably more plausible, maybe they caught an error, and had to snip off part of the order. Say they had to clip roughly 3000 books, would that cause a shortage of roughly 2 books per store?

Just some simple thoughts

[nonplayer]

Does anyone have any idea what the big problem is. Someone f'ed up and I wanna know.

I can only speculate, but maybe they had a low first print run based on the beginning numbers. Then, late in the game( just a week ago?), people started realizing the low variant run, and started ordering as much as they could.
Thanks for the answer.


to strengthen this argument, didn't we first hear about the possibility that this could be the lowest variant print run ever, THEN we heard about it going back for a second print? That, or maybe (as I stated earlier) there are more stores ordering, but fewer reaching the variant level

Also, and this is probably more plausible, maybe they caught an error, and had to snip off part of the order. Say they had to clip roughly 3000 books, would that cause a shortage of roughly 2 books per store?

Just some simple thoughts

I herd someone at the Valiant office florked up.
I speculate by the lack of savage stuff on eBay and the fact nobody is posting what they got and the shortage at my two shops they ordered 25 but only got three. One being the 1/20 which I got for 10 bucks. That we can probably expect the 1/50 to be like under 200.

[Elveen]

Does anyone have any idea what the big problem is. Someone f'ed up and I wanna know.

I can only speculate, but maybe they had a low first print run based on the beginning numbers. Then, late in the game( just a week ago?), people started realizing the low variant run, and started ordering as much as they could.
Thanks for the answer.


to strengthen this argument, didn't we first hear about the possibility that this could be the lowest variant print run ever, THEN we heard about it going back for a second print? That, or maybe (as I stated earlier) there are more stores ordering, but fewer reaching the variant level

Also, and this is probably more plausible, maybe they caught an error, and had to snip off part of the order. Say they had to clip roughly 3000 books, would that cause a shortage of roughly 2 books per store?

Just some simple thoughts

I herd someone at the Valiant office florked up.
I speculate by the lack of savage stuff on eBay and the fact nobody is posting what they got and the shortage at my two shops they ordered 25 but only got three. One being the 1/20 which I got for 10 bucks. That we can probably expect the 1/50 to be like under 200.

doubtful

[nonplayer]

Does anyone have any idea what the big problem is. Someone f'ed up and I wanna know.

I can only speculate, but maybe they had a low first print run based on the beginning numbers. Then, late in the game( just a week ago?), people started realizing the low variant run, and started ordering as much as they could.
Thanks for the answer.


to strengthen this argument, didn't we first hear about the possibility that this could be the lowest variant print run ever, THEN we heard about it going back for a second print? That, or maybe (as I stated earlier) there are more stores ordering, but fewer reaching the variant level

Also, and this is probably more plausible, maybe they caught an error, and had to snip off part of the order. Say they had to clip roughly 3000 books, would that cause a shortage of roughly 2 books per store?

Just some simple thoughts

I herd someone at the Valiant office florked up.
I speculate by the lack of savage stuff on eBay and the fact nobody is posting what they got and the shortage at my two shops they ordered 25 but only got three. One being the 1/20 which I got for 10 bucks. That we can probably expect the 1/50 to be like under 200.

doubtful

The biggest store in North America got 10. I'm yet to hear of any shops getting them or actuelly anyone getting one. None on eBay. Last time I checked.
What's your guess?

[DirtbagSailor]

...and then THIS happened!

[DirtbagSailor]

I have seen a few posts and reports of other collectors who have scored a copy. Not many, but a few (like less than 5 copies at the time of this post).

[betterthanezra]

I scored two but waiting on them to surface

-Brian

[sonicdan]

...and then THIS happened!

[JCP]

I'm really happy for all of you that got one of these. They're really beautiful. I bid $202.50 on the one on eBay and even that was really stretching my budget. Hopefully some more surface.