Unity 2000 4 - 6

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:35 am

And what's the deal with Loremaster and Phil using the wrong Gold Key covers? lol.

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:45 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:And what's the deal with Loremaster and Phil using the wrong Gold Key covers? lol.

Well, that we can take for granted was a mistake not needing more explanation...

Btw, about the link I had found: I guess that the hate mails Perham is talking about is what Starlin in his email refers to as "website campaign". That's one way of putting it...

/Magnus

TimeWillTell · Post by **TimeWillTell** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:12 am

Magnusr:
I'm sorry. I don't know the details regarding the specific questions you've asked. I'll try to jog my memory and see if I come up with anything.
-TimeWillTell

TimeWillTell · Post by **TimeWillTell** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:34 am

Davidb:

Basically, for Acclaim Entertainment, Inc. to continue to carry Acclaim Comics, Inc. as an asset on their corporate books, Acclaim Comics needed to continue to publish.

At the time, the division was making a decent amount of money from sales of strategy guides (WWF, Turok, South Park, etc.). As long as the division was making some money, it was given an unenthusiastic go-ahead to re-start a modest comic publishing program. Hence, ShadowMan (because of the video games and possible movie deal), Quantum & Woody (the most popular and best-selling series at the time) and Unity 2000. The plan was to use Unity 2000 as a starting point to bring back monthly issues in the future. ( I don't know how Dr. Mirage fit into this equation),

Unfortunately, Acclaim Entertainment, Inc. was having serious financial problems and Acclaim Comics was not generating enough revenues to justify the original acquisition price. Thus, Acclaim Entertainment, Inc. began writing down the Good Will of the Voyager purchase, effectively bringing the value of the division down to zero and writing it of their books once and for all.

At that point, funding was basically cut off, since Acclaim Entertainment, Inc. was no longer forced to have Acclaim Comics publish anything. To that end, they relinquished the rights to Solar and Magnus rather than pay the minimum required to keep the licenses. They kept Turok, in order to keep the video game rights. After the release and failure of Turok Evolution (video game), Acclaim Entertainment, Inc. decided that the Turok brand was dead and relinquished the Turok rights.

With the rights to Solar, Magnus and Turok gone, Unity 2000 was doomed. After the failure of Turok Evolution, massive layoffs took place, and Acclaim Entertainment, Inc., tried to restructure itself. Obviously that never happened and the sad tale came to an terrible end for all employees Sept. 1, 2004.
-TimeWillTell

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:36 pm

TimeWillTell wrote:All you have to do is ask a queston and I'll try my best to answer.

Okay here's some easy ones:

Who are you? Why did you feel the urge to not reveal who you are? No other Valiant insider has done so who has posted on this board.

You claim Jim Shooter, Jim Starilin, AND James Perham all lied about payments to creators being late when Perham "took over." What was purpose of these alledged lies?

You also claim Perham lied about Digital Chameleon losing the color files on Unity 4. What was the purpose of this alledged lie? What is the supposed real reason for the massives delays that happened to all the books Accliam was publishing?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:59 pm

TimeWillTell wrote: Hence, ShadowMan (because of the video games and possible movie deal), -TimeWillTell

A Shadowman movie deal? How close were they to making this happen? More details please.

alias · Post by **alias** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:05 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
TimeWillTell wrote: Hence, ShadowMan (because of the video games and possible movie deal), -TimeWillTell
A Shadowman movie deal? How close were they to making this happen? More details please.

I just found this.
http://www.comics2film.com/ShadowmanArch.shtml

Seems like Bloodshot was close too. Brian Azzarello on a Bloodshot movie!!!

alias · Post by **alias** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:06 pm

http://www.comics2film.com/Bloodshot.shtml

Here's one for Bloodshot. Even has a picture of Triple H as Bloodshot

TimeWillTell · Post by **TimeWillTell** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:06 pm

A few years ago, Dimension Films (Miramax) optioned the ShadowMan rights for a movie. The option lasted one year, with two additional one year renewals. At the end of the third renewal they either had to lose the option or exercise it.
They chose to exercise it. They are still (from what I know) working on a script rewrite (probably re-write number 5 from what I remember), along with trying to nail down a director. I really haven't heard much about it lately.
I should check on it!
-TimeWillTell

xoken · Post by **xoken** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:09 pm

alias wrote:http://www.comics2film.com/Bloodshot.shtml

Here's one for Bloodshot. Even has a picture of Triple H as Bloodshot

TimeWillTell · Post by **TimeWillTell** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:11 pm

Those are old links.
Bloodshot, Turok and Ninjak were once considered as possible movie deals, but no one optioned any of them. They are dead in the water at the moment.
-TimeWillTell

xoken · Post by **xoken** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:13 pm

Who are you? Why did you feel the urge to not reveal who you are? No other Valiant insider has done so who has posted on this board.

bumping the question

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:13 pm

TimeWillTell wrote:A few years ago, Dimension Films (Miramax) optioned the ShadowMan rights for a movie. The option lasted one year, with two additional one year renewals. At the end of the third renewal they either had to lose the option or exercise it.
They chose to exercise it. They are still (from what I know) working on a script rewrite (probably re-write number 5 from what I remember), along with trying to nail down a director. I really haven't heard much about it lately.
I should check on it!
-TimeWillTell

Please do, let us know what you find out!

Moe's Tavern · Post by **Moe's Tavern** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:24 pm

I am a big fan of Unity 2000. Even though it is unfinished, it is so weird that it appeals to me. I buy these whenever I can find them.

TimeWillTell · Post by **TimeWillTell** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:30 pm

Im not calling anyone a liar. And, I'm not here to argue.
The creators on Unity 2000 received every penny owed to them, albeit late.
What happened with Unity #4, I really don't know the answer there. But, as I said, acting editor Jim Perham (in my humble opinion) never wanted the rest of Unity 2000 to be published.
The major reason for the delays was one of money (or lack of it) from Acclaim Entertainment, Inc.'s payables dept., combined with staff loss and often times in-fighting between the creators, etc.
I think you should know who I am at this point. I think I've given you enough information to reach a conclusion on that.
I'm just here to tell people what I know, when I can. Again... believe what you want. You seem quite angry.
-TimeWillTell

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:42 pm

Wow. Where to begin?

First, callling people liars is what internet message board posting is all about (okay, not really, but I gotta start somewhere).

And, arguing? That's what we do here, argue, debate, mull, etc.

And, 'reach a conclusion'? Look, it's called jumping to conclusions and that's how it's done around here. You want reasoning and thoughtful analysis? Yeesh!

And, of course he's angry! His best internet-friend commited board suicide by faking a fall from a mountain to get some cool Valiant swag. Have you no sympathy?!

TimeWillTell wrote:Im not calling anyone a liar. And, I'm not here to argue.
The creators on Unity 2000 received every penny owed to them, albeit late.
What happened with Unity #4, I really don't know the answer there. But, as I said, acting editor Jim Perham (in my humble opinion) never wanted the rest of Unity 2000 to be published.
The major reason for the delays was one of money (or lack of it) from Acclaim Entertainment, Inc.'s payables dept., combined with staff loss and often times in-fighting between the creators, etc.
I think you should know who I am at this point. I think I've given you enough information to reach a conclusion on that.
I'm just here to tell people what I know, when I can. Again... believe what you want. You seem quite angry.
-TimeWillTell

TimeWillTell · Post by **TimeWillTell** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:45 pm

Faking a fall to get free stuff?
That's sad... very sad.
-TimeWillTell

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:49 pm

TimeWillTell wrote:The creators on Unity 2000 received every penny owed to them, albeit late... You seem quite angry.
-TimeWillTell

Thing is, when it was stated that Shooter had not been paid yet on the date Perham took over, you answered that we should check our sources. Since Shooter and Perham both state this in interviews and none of them have anything to gain from making it up, I can not see why it would be angry to ask for clarification?

And I do btw agree it would be nicer to know for sure who we are talking to...

And I do want to know if there is still some ongoing movie treatment.

/Magnus

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:50 pm

TimeWillTell wrote:Faking a fall to get free stuff?
That's sad... very sad.
-TimeWillTell

Yeah, too right.

Now, are you talent or are you a 'suit'?

alias · Post by **alias** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:00 pm

TimeWillTell wrote: I think you should know who I am at this point. I think I've given you enough information to reach a conclusion on that.
-TimeWillTell

I know who you are! How could I be so blind

You're Dino!

WELCOME BACK DINO

TimeWillTell · Post by **TimeWillTell** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:03 pm

I guess (based on some of the posts here) you can call me an "Un-talented" suit. I'm not an artist, editor or a comic writer.
-TimeWillTell

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:07 pm

alias wrote:
TimeWillTell wrote: I think you should know who I am at this point. I think I've given you enough information to reach a conclusion on that.
-TimeWillTell

I know who you are! How could I be so blind

You're Dino!

WELCOME BACK DINO

If not Dino, maybe someone else in his group.

alias · Post by **alias** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:10 pm

TimeWillTell wrote:I guess (based on some of the posts here) you can call me an "Un-talented" suit. I'm not an artist, editor or a comic writer.
-TimeWillTell

Maybe omar

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:16 pm

Ah yes, I just realised what I should have asked first of all - is there a script for issue 6?

/Magnus

PS, I also wonder why Starlin got his bonus instead of being forced to redraw his mistakes, but I guess that's too naive.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:16 pm

TimeWillTell wrote:Im not calling anyone a liar. And, I'm not here to argue.
The creators on Unity 2000 received every penny owed to them, albeit late.
What happened with Unity #4, I really don't know the answer there. But, as I said, acting editor Jim Perham (in my humble opinion) never wanted the rest of Unity 2000 to be published.
The major reason for the delays was one of money (or lack of it) from Acclaim Entertainment, Inc.'s payables dept., combined with staff loss and often times in-fighting between the creators, etc.
I think you should know who I am at this point. I think I've given you enough information to reach a conclusion on that.
I'm just here to tell people what I know, when I can. Again... believe what you want. You seem quite angry.
-TimeWillTell

I'm confused

.

Starlin, Shooter and Perham all said that some creators hadn't been paid when Perham came to office. You said:

"Make sure to pay Shooter, Starlin, etc." Total misinformation. Perham had no authority or clout to get anyone paid. Lost work? Sorry. More misinformation.
http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewto ... ht=#115003

As I said... Many of the comments here are mere speculation. Just now someone posted AGAIN, that Shooter wasn't paid at the time Perham took over the editing for Unity #6. That's totally false. Totally.
http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewto ... ht=#114997

You don't use the word "liar" for them but what else do you call it? Do think Shooter and Starlin where confused on if they'ld recieved their checks at the time and that Perham was confused about the coloring files being lost?

And so now we should assume the results of the little game of "who am I?" you played a few pages back are true and that you're Walter Black. Why not say that up front and establish yourself as a credible source? Why play games with your identity? Why won't you give a strait answer to this even now?