XO 6 Zircher variant

caxiotis · Post by **caxiotis** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:18 pm

greg wrote:The Zircher cover was a 1:50 LINE-WIDE variant.

How do we know this? This would make sense due to the amount being seen around, but wondering if you have confirmation from VEI that it is true

greg · Post by **greg** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:52 pm

caxiotis wrote:
greg wrote:The Zircher cover was a 1:50 LINE-WIDE variant.
How do we know this? This would make sense due to the amount being seen around, but wondering if you have confirmation from VEI that it is true

From the other discussion...

greg wrote:
Mark Fuller wrote:Is the line wide point official?
Yes. I don't know if I can find the original source, but the intention was that October would be the first month that there would be only 1 incentive cover and it would be based on the line-wide orders.
All other variants were available for ordering in any quantity desired.

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:26 pm

Ran into the same issue today. Got 3 of the Supposid 1:50's thinking it was probably an isolated error and 1 of the cd covers thinking it was a regular variant [need to go back n check if they have more, cant recall]. So Greg, if what your saying is true about the CD cover that would mean everyone gets duped out of a 1:50 variant completely on this??!!

Savant · Post by **Savant** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:21 am

I barely had any sleep last night, went to my LCS early today, and got my stack from my pullbox. I then look at the shelf of new comics to see if there's anything else I want to get, and I notice the Zircher cover (Not realizing it was originally supposed to be 1:50, I was half-asleep).......I tell the comic shop owner I'm going to get that cover instead, as I like it more. It sounded like he was trying to explain that the wrong cover was distributed out, but I didn't clearly get what he was saying, and I simply retorted that the original cover probably looked better online and that the Zircher cover looks better in person.

I just read this thread and realized the Zircher cover was supposed to be the 1:50 variant, and that when I made my specific choice for my pullbox I had originally chosen the original cover over the character design cover.

If I had originally prepaid a mail-order service for the Zircher cover, I'd be *SQUEE* off (Especially if I wouldn't get the proper discount allocated)......But, for my situation, it turned out OK. I ended up getting the cover I liked most at no extra cost.

For the record, there were 8 copies of X-O left on the shelf. 4 of the original cover, and 4 of the Zircher cover. My LCS may have possibly had more in the back, but I didn't ask.

He did tell me that Valiant titles have been selling well, and that it's a good indication that there's a loyal following due to the quality of the books since sales haven't died out after the #1 issues.

tarheelmarine · Post by **tarheelmarine** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:12 pm

You guys have me hoping that when I get my TFAW shipment there may be a Zircher variant in there.

kjjohanson · Post by **kjjohanson** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:27 pm

tarheelmarine wrote:You guys have me hoping that when I get my TFAW shipment there may be a Zircher variant in there.

It sounds like you should be hoping that the CD variant is in there.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:44 pm

kjjohanson wrote:
tarheelmarine wrote:You guys have me hoping that when I get my TFAW shipment there may be a Zircher variant in there.
It sounds like you should be hoping that the CD variant is in there.

That would be my hope as well. And if you get the CD and you are disappointed, let me know and I'll swap you a Zircher.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:23 pm

400yrs wrote:
kjjohanson wrote:
tarheelmarine wrote:You guys have me hoping that when I get my TFAW shipment there may be a Zircher variant in there.
It sounds like you should be hoping that the CD variant is in there.

That would be my hope as well. And if you get the CD and you are disappointed, let me know and I'll swap you a Zircher.

right now, I think a bunch of peeps would want the same trade.... but I wonder how long that will be so?

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:39 pm

Elveen wrote:
400yrs wrote:
kjjohanson wrote:
tarheelmarine wrote:You guys have me hoping that when I get my TFAW shipment there may be a Zircher variant in there.
It sounds like you should be hoping that the CD variant is in there.

That would be my hope as well. And if you get the CD and you are disappointed, let me know and I'll swap you a Zircher.
right now, I think a bunch of peeps would want the same trade.... but I wonder how long that will be so?

Good question. I still feel like this was a printing prob. If (a big if) that's the case, you'd think they'd still need to fill the orders for the CDs somehow. But would they go back and print more if they had to (if the print run order numbers were swapped) or would they just say screw it and leave it as is? IMO, it's probably going to be too much trouble to fix because in all likelihood, the most vocal complainers are us on this board. My guess is that most retailers probably didn't notice if their customers didn't complain.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:52 pm

400yrs wrote:
Elveen wrote:
400yrs wrote:
kjjohanson wrote:
tarheelmarine wrote:You guys have me hoping that when I get my TFAW shipment there may be a Zircher variant in there.
It sounds like you should be hoping that the CD variant is in there.

That would be my hope as well. And if you get the CD and you are disappointed, let me know and I'll swap you a Zircher.
right now, I think a bunch of peeps would want the same trade.... but I wonder how long that will be so?

Good question. I still feel like this was a printing prob. If (a big if) that's the case, you'd think they'd still need to fill the orders for the CDs somehow. But would they go back and print more if they had to (if the print run order numbers were swapped) or would they just say screw it and leave it as is? IMO, it's probably going to be too much trouble to fix because in all likelihood, the most vocal complainers are us on this board. My guess is that most retailers probably didn't notice if their customers didn't complain.

The one thing I can say with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY is that the Zircher cover IS the 1:50 line wide variant. The CD book IS a dealer's choice cover, like an A and B cover. The #s of the Zircher cover WAS printed as the 1:50 line wide variant.

I wonder if down the road, the Zircher cover will actually be one of the harder covers to get because so many of them did not get to where they were suppose to?

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:16 pm

I picked up this variant today at cover price, my lcs had it priced in their system at $15, but charged me $3.99 because they didn't adjust the price before putting them out so, even if the books were shipped wrong, it still feels good to get a 1:50 for $4 bucks...

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:43 pm

Elveen wrote: The one thing I can say with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY is that the Zircher cover IS the 1:50 line wide variant. The CD book IS a dealer's choice cover, like an A and B cover. The #s of the Zircher cover WAS printed as the 1:50 line wide variant.

I wonder if down the road, the Zircher cover will actually be one of the harder covers to get because so many of them did not get to where they were suppose to?

I believe you, but it still doesn't make sense. So far, every shop we've heard from received Zirchers and in quantity. We've yet to hear of a single store that didn't receive them. According to Atom! 60% of the stores should've received the proper orders while the warehouse that sends the wrong shipments service 40% of the print distro. You'd think we'd heard from one by now.

tarheelmarine · Post by **tarheelmarine** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:14 am

400yrs wrote:
kjjohanson wrote:
tarheelmarine wrote:You guys have me hoping that when I get my TFAW shipment there may be a Zircher variant in there.
It sounds like you should be hoping that the CD variant is in there.

That would be my hope as well. And if you get the CD and you are disappointed, let me know and I'll swap you a Zircher.

I would take you up on the offer. It will take at least two weeks for the shipment to make it to Japan. I am still waiting to read XO 4.

Phantom.. · Post by **Phantom..** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:17 am

Exactly what 400 said. It just doesn't make sence to me. Something doesn't sit right.
It will probably all make sence in the end.
And in the wider community, it is only a handfull who care. It's just a comic. But boy didn't we have fun talking about it for a few days.

kjjohanson · Post by **kjjohanson** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:34 am

400yrs wrote:
Elveen wrote: The one thing I can say with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY is that the Zircher cover IS the 1:50 line wide variant. The CD book IS a dealer's choice cover, like an A and B cover. The #s of the Zircher cover WAS printed as the 1:50 line wide variant.

I wonder if down the road, the Zircher cover will actually be one of the harder covers to get because so many of them did not get to where they were suppose to?
I believe you, but it still doesn't make sense. So far, every shop we've heard from received Zirchers and in quantity. We've yet to hear of a single store that didn't receive them. According to Atom! 60% of the stores should've received the proper orders while the warehouse that sends the wrong shipments service 40% of the print distro. You'd think we'd heard from one by now.

Just speculation here, but the feedback from Atom! was posted here on the board early Thursday afternoon, not long after the start of this debacle. It could be that he didn't have all of the information at that time and was passing along the best info available to him. From all of the info presented, it does seem that the print numbers were reversed on the two versions and then distributed as if the switch was intentional (meaning that no store actually got a stack of rare comics). When I dropped by the Valiant office on Friday, I did get the sense that they were working hard on resolving the issue and looking for a solution that works best (although considering that a bunch of customers already got a are variant for cheap, and a number of stores already sold a bunch of common variants for a significant profit, I think it's going to be difficult to find a solution that pleases everyone). Unfortunately I wasn't familiar enough with what was going on to have a very informed discussion about it, having only seen a small snippet of the conversation on the boards here about it, and not having been to my comic store yet.

Crow331 · Post by **Crow331** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:38 am

Paradise, which orders a sh!t ton of Valiant only got 3 character design covers. I think that's what the guy told me yesterday. Something definitely doesn't jive with what Atom originally told people. I'm still kind of surprised that Valiant hasn't come out and explained exactly what happened and what the numbers actually are and what they will end up being by the time everyone who was shorted gets their orders fulfilled.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:45 pm

400yrs wrote:
Elveen wrote: The one thing I can say with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY is that the Zircher cover IS the 1:50 line wide variant. The CD book IS a dealer's choice cover, like an A and B cover. The #s of the Zircher cover WAS printed as the 1:50 line wide variant.

I wonder if down the road, the Zircher cover will actually be one of the harder covers to get because so many of them did not get to where they were suppose to?
I believe you, but it still doesn't make sense. So far, every shop we've heard from received Zirchers and in quantity. We've yet to hear of a single store that didn't receive them. According to Atom! 60% of the stores should've received the proper orders while the warehouse that sends the wrong shipments service 40% of the print distro. You'd think we'd heard from one by now.

I agree it does not make sense. But I am sure of what I posted. 100%

lorddunlow · Post by **lorddunlow** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:22 pm

Valiant once again confirmed the Zircher is the 1:50 on Twitter yesterday.

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:47 pm

lorddunlow wrote:Valiant once again confirmed the Zircher is the 1:50 on Twitter yesterday.

It makes me think that they're calling it a Linewide 1:50 even though it isn't. I can't think of any way that many copies could have been in that many locations around the world and still maintain the print run of a 1:50. I think Greg said maybe around 1,400... but lets up the ante and say they printed 2,000. These are being seen everywhere and they appear to be around a 1:1 on the shelves, so how could that be even remotely possible with 2,000 copies when the print runs for X-O have been closer the 14-15k?

This is definitely going to be one of the fun issues to look back on in the future when we have a better sense of how many copies are really floating around out there.

grendeljd · Post by **grendeljd** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:08 pm

So my LCS had the CD & the Zircher covers, one each at cover for the CD & $50 for the Zircher.

Both were held for me specifically, but I am holding off on the Zircher until I can talk to the owners or managers on wednesday. I just checked on ebay and there are several BIN listings starting at $19.99... with a couple of auctions starting as low as $9.99 as well. I don't feel good about paying $50 in-store for one, maybe I can haggle the price down a bit.

I feel really bad about that, I don't want to screw the store over, or Valiant for that matter - but I can't justify shelling out so much for it with this mix-up putting the value in jeopardy. The real shame is I was very excited to get this cover - I am absolutely enthralled with Patch's work for Valiant & I think this is one of my favourite cover pics of his to date.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:40 pm

I got my DCBservice order. I ordered one of each cover and one of each character design cover.

When I checked my books status last Wed, that's exactly what said was going to be shipped.

I wasn't surprised though when I opened up the box and everything was there except the X-O #6 CD cover. <sigh>

*SQUEE* these variants. I ain't pre-ordering these VEI ones anymore. I figured a 1:1 should be pretty simple to get right, but nope. I'm interested to hear Elveen Everybody's comments on the next OTV.

If you are looking for an X-O #6 character design variant, I'd hold off paying the $30 - 35 ebay prices because VEI is going to have to make this right by printing more or whatever to wipe the egg off their face.

tarheelmarine · Post by **tarheelmarine** » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:47 pm

400yrs wrote:I got my DCBservice order. I ordered one of each cover and one of each character design cover.

When I checked my books status last Wed, that's exactly what said was going to be shipped.

I wasn't surprised though when I opened up the box and everything was there except the X-O #6 CD cover. <sigh>

*SQUEE* these variants. I ain't pre-ordering these VEI ones anymore. I figured a 1:1 should be pretty simple to get right, but nope. I'm interested to hear Elveen Everybody's comments on the next OTV.

If you are looking for an X-O #6 character design variant, I'd hold off paying the $30 - 35 ebay prices because VEI is going to have to make this right by printing more or whatever to wipe the egg off their face.

Did they send two Zircher covers instead?

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:41 pm

tarheelmarine wrote:
400yrs wrote:I got my DCBservice order. I ordered one of each cover and one of each character design cover.

When I checked my books status last Wed, that's exactly what said was going to be shipped.

I wasn't surprised though when I opened up the box and everything was there except the X-O #6 CD cover. <sigh>

*SQUEE* these variants. I ain't pre-ordering these VEI ones anymore. I figured a 1:1 should be pretty simple to get right, but nope. I'm interested to hear Elveen Everybody's comments on the next OTV.

If you are looking for an X-O #6 character design variant, I'd hold off paying the $30 - 35 ebay prices because VEI is going to have to make this right by printing more or whatever to wipe the egg off their face.
Did they send two Zircher covers instead?

Nah. On X-O #6 I ordered 1 Regular cover and 1 character design. All I got was the one regular.

The character design is back in the "unshipped section" meaning it's not yet filled.

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:43 pm

Guess I was lucky to have the CD waiting in my pullbox for me, I never seen any on the shelves either.

drmirage · Post by **drmirage** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:38 am

I also had a CD waiting in my pullbox for me.

These books were printed and should be in most LCS's by next week if not the following week.

MoonChild wrote:Guess I was lucky to have the CD waiting in my pullbox for me, I never seen any on the shelves either.

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