Valiant "What If"? Magnus, Torque, Pete

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sat May 13, 2006 2:48 pm

Looks to me that Pete could be the father if need be.

Such a loop-hole in the story. The way Shooter set it up it could go either way if needed.

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Sat May 13, 2006 3:15 pm

Todd Luck wrote:Plus, in Unity, Kris interupts Geoff after he says he's got to tell her something about the baby and says she already knows Torque's the farther. His reaction is "Besides that."

That's a very strong point. Maybe Geoff just wanted to get back on track, but it does sound as if he's agreeing with Kris' statement.

/Magnus

greg · Post by **greg** » Sat May 13, 2006 4:31 pm

magnusr wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:Plus, in Unity, Kris interupts Geoff after he says he's got to tell her something about the baby and says she already knows Torque's the farther. His reaction is "Besides that."
That's a very strong point. Maybe Geoff just wanted to get back on track, but it does sound as if he's agreeing with Kris' statement.

/Magnus

Yep, I'll agree Todd (and Magnus), that's a strong point.

Of course...

I'm sure Geoff knew there's no way Kris would have given up Pete's baby.

But seriously, I'm not convinced Pete was "supposed to be" the father.
I just thought it was worth discussing... A "what if", or "what might have been".

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Sun May 14, 2006 2:11 am

greg wrote:Of course... I'm sure Geoff knew there's no way Kris would have given up Pete's baby.

Tongue-in-cheek, but also a very good point. If we are to think that Kris could be mistaken, then why not consider that Geoff could use wording that serves the Earth the best. I didn't think that of that.

It's a fascinating discussion as it shows the balance between what the writers explains to us and what we are supposed to see by ourselves. Like in the real world there is a lot that can't be taken for granted.

Also it might possibly be a part of VALIANT history. It's always fascinating to consider how our favorite stories were created.

But seriously, I'm not convinced Pete was "supposed to be" the father.
I just thought it was worth discussing... A "what if", or "what might have been".

What might have been, we sure have avoided so far.

Magnus as a potential Omega in the future opens up so many possibilities that I wouldn't know where to start. At the same time it's not really needed. Another aspect for what-if-scenarios would be if Pete suddenly figured out he has a son in 4001. Or if Magnus had never been sent to the future.

We know precious little about how Harbinger traits are inherited and "popped", so everything's open for stories about possible kids of Magnus.

Btw, lingering on what might have been supposed, we still can't exclude that an early draft had Pete as the father.

/Magnus

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun May 14, 2006 9:19 am

Twice Magnus found himself traveling to the past, first in Chaos Effect and then at the end of his series.

What if during one of those travels he were to discover more about his origin and maybe the revelation that Pete is in fact his father?

What if the two of them met during Magnus' second trip and Pete were to pop him, then when Magnus went back to the future he'd be an Omega Harbinger?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun May 14, 2006 1:41 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:Twice Magnus found himself traveling to the past, first in Chaos Effect and then at the end of his series.

What if during one of those travels he were to discover more about his origin and maybe the revelation that Pete is in fact his father?

What if the two of them met during Magnus' second trip and Pete were to pop him, then when Magnus went back to the future he'd be an Omega Harbinger?

Hmm... I don't think I like the thought of Magnus becoming and Omega Harbinger. Smashing robots is what he does best.