Spider-man: One More Day. Thoughts?

[tanord]

Summary Storyline for Sins Past so you don't have to read it:

Norman Osbourne gets Gwen Stacy pregnant . She has twins while away in France, named Gabriel and Sarah. She refuses to let Norman see them because of how he treats his own son, Harry, and decides to raise them with Peter. This is the reason why the Green Goblin kills Gwen Stacy.

Norman raises the twins, and because of his enchanced blood, they grow triple the time as fast as a regular human. Norman blames Spiderman for Gwen's death, so the twins go after him. When Peter discovers their identities, he literally "DIGS UP GWEN'S BODY" to get a DNA sample so he can compare blood between the two. Peter tells Mary Jane, who says she already knew.

By the story's end, Peter has told the twins the truth. Sarah believes Peter concluding that he would never have dug up Gwen's grave to acquire a DNA sample if he thought there was even a chance that he was their father, but Gabriel doesn't. Gabriel becomes the Grey Goblin, but gets kicked in the teeth for being stupid. His glider explodes and he ends up on a beach, of course, with amnesia

Why did Gwen Stacy have sex with Norman Osbourne if she knew that he treats Harry terrible? That means in her eyes he's unfit to be a father but he's good enough to sleep with?!

[Cyberstrike]

Summary Storyline for Sins Past so you don't have to read it:

Norman Osbourne gets Gwen Stacy pregnant . She has twins while away in France, named Gabriel and Sarah. She refuses to let Norman see them because of how he treats his own son, Harry, and decides to raise them with Peter. This is the reason why the Green Goblin kills Gwen Stacy.

Norman raises the twins, and because of his enchanced blood, they grow triple the time as fast as a regular human. Norman blames Spiderman for Gwen's death, so the twins go after him. When Peter discovers their identities, he literally "DIGS UP GWEN'S BODY" to get a DNA sample so he can compare blood between the two. Peter tells Mary Jane, who says she already knew.

By the story's end, Peter has told the twins the truth. Sarah believes Peter concluding that he would never have dug up Gwen's grave to acquire a DNA sample if he thought there was even a chance that he was their father, but Gabriel doesn't. Gabriel becomes the Grey Goblin, but gets kicked in the teeth for being stupid. His glider explodes and he ends up on a beach, of course, with amnesia

Why did Gwen Stacy have sex with Norman Osbourne if she knew that he treats Harry terrible? That means in her eyes he's unfit to be a father but he's good enough to sleep with?!

I think it was something of a mercy hump, at the time she slept with him she felt sorry for him because he was whinning about Harry's drug problem. Or he just seduced her some how. I'm not sure which.

[etos45]

Why did Gwen Stacy have sex with Norman Osbourne if she knew that he treats Harry terrible? That means in her eyes he's unfit to be a father but he's good enough to sleep with?!

She's blond, he's rich... where's the confusion?

[superman-prime]

because its a bad comic ???
long past my dropped list

[Todd Luck]

I'm liking One More Day so far. It's a good continuation of the Back in the Black story. The first part rapped up the long running Spidey/Iron Man subplot in a classy way. The second part with Dr Strange was cool (good to see him in the series again after so long).

Again, like Back in Black, not really a story for new readers. You really need to have been reading this book for a long to fully appreciate it. I mean, in order to fully "get" that time travel scene with Dr Strange you would've had to read JMS's second(!) plotline on the book way back in 2001-2002! (JMS was basically explaining away a scene that was supposed to lead into a Dr. Strange miniseries that was never published)

I'm really curious now as to how Aunt May is coming out of the coma. Judging from the cover of the last issue it looks like JMS will be ending it like he did Babylon 5 and especially Midnight Nation (look at the cover and then go back and look at the beginning of Amazing Spiderman 500 ).

The stuff in the back they decided to tack on at the last minute (which we know since the orginal covers they released in advance had "Still only 2.99!" on them ) is mixed. The Spiderman stuff in the back of the first part is the single best resource on a comic character I've EVER bought. Every question I've ever had about Spiderman is answered in that "Who's Who" entry. Well worth the extra dollar. The Mary Jane stuff in the back of the second part...I could definately live without that.

[dellamorte]

This story is on par with the quality of Amazing over the last 5 years or so but the art is horrid. What the hell happened to Joe Q? You can see flashes here and there of his skill but most of it is just bad. Or could it just be that Jimmy P had more to do with the overall quality than we thought?

[Tim]

Jimmy P had more to do with the overall quality than we thought?

This Quesada looks like bad Todd McFarlane.

As if regular Todd McFarlane wasn't bad enough.

[Todd Luck]

This story is on par with the quality of Amazing over the last 5 years or so but the art is horrid. What the hell happened to Joe Q? You can see flashes here and there of his skill but most of it is just bad. Or could it just be that Jimmy P had more to do with the overall quality than we thought?

I suspect having less time to devote to his art thanks to his EIC duties and his attempts to somewhat adhere to deadlines may have something to do with it. Plus he's got to be a little rusty on putting out an actual comic. Kind of a shame, we know the old boy can do better.

[dellamorte]

This story is on par with the quality of Amazing over the last 5 years or so but the art is horrid. What the hell happened to Joe Q? You can see flashes here and there of his skill but most of it is just bad. Or could it just be that Jimmy P had more to do with the overall quality than we thought?

I suspect having less time to devote to his art thanks to his EIC duties and his attempts to somewhat adhere to deadlines may have something to do with it. Plus he's got to be a little rusty on putting out an actual comic. Kind of a shame, we know the old boy can do better.

I don't know that he can anymore. His art on the first arc of Daredeveil was lacking and from what I saw Father was just as bad as this. Perhaps he's just lost it. I'd rather Garney was drawing this arc.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

All I hear when I read this thread is Schonburg....

[rictor]

The story is cool, especially the Dr Strange flashbacks finally being filled in, but I can't fully get into it because I hate where it's going.
Quesada's art is really not impressing me on this series and I really wish that they had gone with someone else more associated with Spider-Man instead. I think it would have been perfect if they had gotten JRJR to do it to serve as a bookend for Straczynski's run, but I would have been happy with most any Spidey artist of the last 20 years.

[Todd Luck]

The story is cool, especially the Dr Strange flashbacks finally being filled in, but I can't fully get into it because I hate where it's going.
Quesada's art is really not impressing me on this series and I really wish that they had gone with someone else more associated with Spider-Man instead. I think it would have been perfect if they had gotten JRJR to do it to serve as a bookend for Straczynski's run, but I would have been happy with most any Spidey artist of the last 20 years.

I agree on Quesada.

Can't wait to see Aunt May come out of the coma and looking forward to (probably) seeing "Spiderman of the future" in the last part but I probably won't stick around after JMS leaves. I've really loved his run but the stuff after doesn't look as promising. The free comic book day Amazing Spiderman just didn't appeal to me, I'm afraid they may write off Pete going public with his ID in a really lame way and WTF was up with MJ as a superhero?

[etos45]

The story is cool, especially the Dr Strange flashbacks finally being filled in, but I can't fully get into it because I hate where it's going.
Quesada's art is really not impressing me on this series and I really wish that they had gone with someone else more associated with Spider-Man instead. I think it would have been perfect if they had gotten JRJR to do it to serve as a bookend for Straczynski's run, but I would have been happy with most any Spidey artist of the last 20 years.

I agree on Quesada.

Can't wait to see Aunt May come out of the coma and looking forward to (probably) seeing "Spiderman of the future" in the last part but I probably won't stick around after JMS leaves. I've really loved his run but the stuff after doesn't look as promising. The free comic book day Amazing Spiderman just didn't appeal to me, I'm afraid they may write off Pete going public with his ID in a really lame way and WTF was up with MJ as a superhero?

I suspect that what they are going to do is change the timeline so that Pete never reveals his identity and therefore making it so that Aunt May never gets shot. I REALLY hope that's not the case, but at the same time, I REALLY REALLY hate where Spider-man's at right now. The only thing that JMS can do right is kill Aunt May. Kill here dead. And leave it there.

[Daniel Jackson]

I suspect that what they are going to do is change the timeline so that Pete never reveals his identity and therefore making it so that Aunt May never gets shot. I REALLY hope that's not the case, but at the same time, I REALLY REALLY hate where Spider-man's at right now. The only thing that JMS can do right is kill Aunt May. Kill here dead. And leave it there.

Marvel leave someone dead? Hahahahaha....

[siren3-4]

The story is cool, especially the Dr Strange flashbacks finally being filled in, but I can't fully get into it because I hate where it's going.
Quesada's art is really not impressing me on this series and I really wish that they had gone with someone else more associated with Spider-Man instead. I think it would have been perfect if they had gotten JRJR to do it to serve as a bookend for Straczynski's run, but I would have been happy with most any Spidey artist of the last 20 years.

I agree on Quesada.

Can't wait to see Aunt May come out of the coma and looking forward to (probably) seeing "Spiderman of the future" in the last part but I probably won't stick around after JMS leaves. I've really loved his run but the stuff after doesn't look as promising. The free comic book day Amazing Spiderman just didn't appeal to me, I'm afraid they may write off Pete going public with his ID in a really lame way and WTF was up with MJ as a superhero?

. . .please tell me what story you are referring to . . . was it written by the upcoming writer on ASM ?

thanks,

Mike

[Todd Luck]

The story is cool, especially the Dr Strange flashbacks finally being filled in, but I can't fully get into it because I hate where it's going.
Quesada's art is really not impressing me on this series and I really wish that they had gone with someone else more associated with Spider-Man instead. I think it would have been perfect if they had gotten JRJR to do it to serve as a bookend for Straczynski's run, but I would have been happy with most any Spidey artist of the last 20 years.

I agree on Quesada.

Can't wait to see Aunt May come out of the coma and looking forward to (probably) seeing "Spiderman of the future" in the last part but I probably won't stick around after JMS leaves. I've really loved his run but the stuff after doesn't look as promising. The free comic book day Amazing Spiderman just didn't appeal to me, I'm afraid they may write off Pete going public with his ID in a really lame way and WTF was up with MJ as a superhero?

. . .please tell me what story you are referring to . . . was it written by the upcoming writer on ASM ?

thanks,

Mike

This year's Free Comic Book Day Amazing Spiderman. It was probably done by people involved with future ASM storylines but I'm not familar with who they've got coming up. Jiminez did the art. It seemed very much set after Civil War (all the current heros being "well trained" was mentioned twice). Aunt May was alive and well. No one mentioned anything one way or the other about Peter being Spiderman. A new superhero appeared that looked exactly like MJ and refered to Spiderman as "Tiger" after he swung away (but Peter seemed clueless as to who she was) This "new" hero was mentioned in (now delayed) solitations for the tri-monthly AMS as making her first appearance in the ongoing series next year. There was some plotline set up about some mysterious master villian too. Didn't care. It wasn't that great a read.

EDIT: I bothered looking it up. Yeah the creators are involved in Brand New Day.

[Todd Luck]

The story is cool, especially the Dr Strange flashbacks finally being filled in, but I can't fully get into it because I hate where it's going.
Quesada's art is really not impressing me on this series and I really wish that they had gone with someone else more associated with Spider-Man instead. I think it would have been perfect if they had gotten JRJR to do it to serve as a bookend for Straczynski's run, but I would have been happy with most any Spidey artist of the last 20 years.

I agree on Quesada.

Can't wait to see Aunt May come out of the coma and looking forward to (probably) seeing "Spiderman of the future" in the last part but I probably won't stick around after JMS leaves. I've really loved his run but the stuff after doesn't look as promising. The free comic book day Amazing Spiderman just didn't appeal to me, I'm afraid they may write off Pete going public with his ID in a really lame way and WTF was up with MJ as a superhero?

I suspect that what they are going to do is change the timeline so that Pete never reveals his identity and therefore making it so that Aunt May never gets shot. I REALLY hope that's not the case, but at the same time, I REALLY REALLY hate where Spider-man's at right now. The only thing that JMS can do right is kill Aunt May. Kill here dead. And leave it there.

Nah. Go back and reread the beginning of Spiderman 500. It's just a theory, but I think May gets a mystical extension on her life and, when it's over in the future, Peter goes through with his promise which leads to the future scene in the graveyard. It's just about the only person I could see Peter ever killing anyway...

[The Harbinger]

Could that graveyard have been carefully plotted continuity by Marvel?

[Daniel Jackson]

carefully plotted continuity by Marvel?

That just looks weird

Sure does....

[Todd Luck]

Could that graveyard have been carefully plotted continuity by Marvel?

Could be. Or it could be like the Dr. Strange scene that was intended for something else and JMS got to "write into it" to tie it up at the end. Regardless, if we end with "Spiderman of the future" like it looks like we will (judging from were the plotlines going and the last part's cover) it's nice that JMS was able to use Civil War and it's aftermath to go there. I'm used to cross continuity f-ing books up. It's nice to see it working so well with some of the books at Marvel (and without forcing me to go out and buy a bunch of other comics I don't normally collect).

[myron]

carefully plotted continuity by Marvel?

That just looks weird

Sure does....

reads like hogwash to me...oxymoron if there ever was one...

[Todd Luck]

carefully plotted continuity by Marvel?

That just looks weird

Sure does....

reads like hogwash to me...oxymoron if there ever was one...

Well hopefully you'll enjoy "Weapon MJ" better. LOL

[Todd Luck]

Just got the third part and....




SPOILERS




...the art's getting better (Mephisto looked cool as hell) and the writing is great (the dialog is a joy to read) but it's getting very odd. We go from a
wrap up of every single loose end in the series to Joe Q's editorial wet dream. Huh? The devil wants Peter's marriage. Say what?

So maybe my theory is wrong and it's not future Spidey's hand (from AMS 500) on the cover of the last part but Mephisto's? If they except the deal that would pretty much negate the future scene in 500 (the dialog about MJ wouldn't really fit anymore). I would say they tell Mephisto to stuff it next issue but unfortunately in the wretched Free Comic Book Day Amazing Spiderman story, there is no mention of MJ and when the superhero that looks like her appears, Peter doesn't recognize her. Unfortnately it definately fits with the Mephisto mind wipe being offered here

I was hoping the lameness wouldn't begin until Band New Day and JMS wouldn't be forced to destroy what he'd worked so hard to create (I can't imagine JMS returning Peter to married status was an easy task considered how Joe Q feels about it and JMS did such a great job finally making the marriage into something that was engaging and important to the series).

Hope it's not what it looks like.

[stone384]

I knew it had been bad for a good long while, but even JMS can't stand the current storyline he is writing.

Comic By Comic links to a post from Straczynski on JMSNews in which the writer admits, “there’s a lot that I don’t agree with, and I made this very clear to everybody within shouting distance at Marvel, especially Joe”:

I’ll be honest: there was a point where I made the decision, and told Joe, that I was going to take my name off the last two issues of the OMD arc. Eventually Joe talked me out of that decision because at the end of the day, I don’t want to sabotage Joe or Marvel, and I have a lot of respect for both of those. As an executive producer as well as a writer, I’ve sometimes had to insist that my writers make changes that they did not want to make, often loudly so. They were sure I was wrong. Mostly I was right. Sometimes I was wrong. But whoever sits in the editor’s chair, or the executive producer’s chair, wears the pointy hat of authority, and as Dave Sim once noted, you can’t argue with a pointy hat.

So at the end of the day, all one can do is try to do the best one can with the notes one is given, and try to execute them in a professional way…because who knows, the other guy may be right. The only thing I *can* tell you, with absolute certainty, is that what Joe does with Spidey and all the rest of the Marvel characters, he does out of a genuine love of the character. He’s not looking to sabotage anything, he’s not looking to *SQUEE* off the fans, he genuinely believes in the rightness of his views not out of a sense of “I’m the boss” but because he loves these characters and the Marvel universe.

And right or wrong, you have to respect that.

There’s a little more at the link.

Obviously the story is editorially driven (like Sins Past), but still

m

[Todd Luck]

I knew it had been bad for a good long while, but even JMS can't stand the current storyline he is writing.

Comic By Comic links to a post from Straczynski on JMSNews in which the writer admits, “there’s a lot that I don’t agree with, and I made this very clear to everybody within shouting distance at Marvel, especially Joe”:

I’ll be honest: there was a point where I made the decision, and told Joe, that I was going to take my name off the last two issues of the OMD arc. Eventually Joe talked me out of that decision because at the end of the day, I don’t want to sabotage Joe or Marvel, and I have a lot of respect for both of those. As an executive producer as well as a writer, I’ve sometimes had to insist that my writers make changes that they did not want to make, often loudly so. They were sure I was wrong. Mostly I was right. Sometimes I was wrong. But whoever sits in the editor’s chair, or the executive producer’s chair, wears the pointy hat of authority, and as Dave Sim once noted, you can’t argue with a pointy hat.

So at the end of the day, all one can do is try to do the best one can with the notes one is given, and try to execute them in a professional way…because who knows, the other guy may be right. The only thing I *can* tell you, with absolute certainty, is that what Joe does with Spidey and all the rest of the Marvel characters, he does out of a genuine love of the character. He’s not looking to sabotage anything, he’s not looking to *SQUEE* off the fans, he genuinely believes in the rightness of his views not out of a sense of “I’m the boss” but because he loves these characters and the Marvel universe.

And right or wrong, you have to respect that.

There’s a little more at the link.

Obviously the story is editorially driven (like Sins Past), but still

m

"the last two issues of the OMD arc"

I could tell that part 3 was "Quesada driven" just by reading it but thanks for posting something to confim that. Got a link?

Oh well I did enjoy JMS's run while it lasted. At least he's able to follow the editorial edict without killing MJ or making her a self centered b*** again. Still it sucks to throw the last few years away like that.