Quantum and Woody? Is it worth reading?

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:48 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Zero wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:.... so, if you're looking for a comic published by VALIANT that is not a VALIANT comic, this is for you
waitaminute... A comic published by Valiant IS a Valiant comic. Just because you wish otherwise doesn't change reality.
Is City Knights a VALIANT comic?

Nope.

Is Bad Eggs a VALIANT comic?

Nope.

Don't confuse publisher with universe.

Q&W is not a VALIANT comic.

"Acclaim Comics VALIANT heroes"

Quantum & Woody has that label & the others don't. Quantum & Woody was part of Acclaim's Valiant line. Very poor comparison. Try again Mike...

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:50 pm

Labels are not absolute . . .

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:57 pm

siren3-4 wrote:Labels are not absolute . . .

Didn't everything become absolute by Unity 2000?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:03 pm

Zero wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Zero wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:.... so, if you're looking for a comic published by VALIANT that is not a VALIANT comic, this is for you
waitaminute... A comic published by Valiant IS a Valiant comic. Just because you wish otherwise doesn't change reality.
Is City Knights a VALIANT comic?

Nope.

Is Bad Eggs a VALIANT comic?

Nope.

Don't confuse publisher with universe.

Q&W is not a VALIANT comic.
"Acclaim Comics VALIANT heroes"

Quantum & Woody has that label & the others don't. Quantum & Woody was part of Acclaim's Valiant line. Very poor comparison. Try again Mike...

There's nothing VALIANT about Q&W.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:17 pm

Quantum and Woody are without a doubt parts of VH2 and VH3.

Those are both iterations of Valiant for better or worse.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:18 pm

Chiclo wrote:Quantum and Woody are without a doubt parts of VH2 and VH3.

Those are both iterations of Valiant for better or worse.

Really?

They looked more like iterations of DC and Marvel

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:19 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:Quantum and Woody are without a doubt parts of VH2 and VH3.

Those are both iterations of Valiant for better or worse.
Really?

They looked more like iterations of DC and Marvel

Looks aside, they bore the Valiant name.

For better or worse.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:19 pm

Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:Quantum and Woody are without a doubt parts of VH2 and VH3.

Those are both iterations of Valiant for better or worse.
Really?

They looked more like iterations of DC and Marvel
Looks aside, they bore the Valiant name.

For better or worse.

As an afterthought... and what's in a name?

A VH 2 comic by any other name would reek just as badly.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:21 pm

Yes, but that's not the claim in contest.

The question is "is the label Valiant?".

Unequivocally, yes.

Quantum and Woody are not VH1.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:22 pm

Chiclo wrote:Yes, but that's not the claim in contest.

The question is "is the label Valiant?".

Unequivocally, yes.

Quantum and Woody are not VH1.

No one has ever accused them of being a music channel.

And the label is meaningless, the concept is not a VALIANT concept, which means that it's not VALIANT, just like Bad Eggs was not VALIANT or City Hunters was not VALIANT or Magic the Gathering was not VALIANT.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:24 pm

Bad Eggs and City Hunters were released under the Acclaim comics banner.

Magic the Gathering was under Armada.

The name Valiant doesn't appear on their covers.

Quantum and Woody have "Valiant" written out on their covers. They are Valiant Heroes.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:25 pm

Chiclo wrote:Bad Eggs and City Hunters were released under the Acclaim comics banner.

Magic the Gathering was under Armada.

The name Valiant doesn't appear on their covers.

Quantum and Woody have "Valiant" written out on their covers. They are Valiant Heroes.

Not really, no.

They may have been called that, but they're not VALIANT.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:29 pm

I'd say they fit better in VH2 than Turok did in VH1. Turok was forced in with a shoehorn.

So maybe they weren't part of Shooter's vision. Neither were the Starwatchers. Neither was Clay McHenry. Hell, Shooter had it written to where Geoff would die and Andar would be the next Geomancer.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:32 pm

Chiclo wrote:I'd say they fit better in VH2 than Turok did in VH1. Turok was forced in with a shoehorn.

So maybe they weren't part of Shooter's vision. Neither were the Starwatchers. Neither was Clay McHenry. Hell, Shooter had it written to where Geoff would die and Andar would be the next Geomancer.

This has nothing to do with Shooter's vision, I'm talking about the nature and core of the VALIANT Universe.

Q&W is not a series with tight continuity, permanent death, real science, or the notion that it takes place outside your window.

Q&W is a series which disregards its own continuity, where characters who were presumed dead come back, where the science is extremely comic booky, and where the fourth wall was constantly broken.

That's not a VALIANT comic.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:34 pm

A somewhat cute blonde fat girl that can fly is not real science.

She doesn't even have wings.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:35 pm

Chiclo wrote:A somewhat cute blonde fat girl that can fly is not real science.

She doesn't even have wings.

Genetic evolution is a science, and that's how she got her powers.

Unless you don't accept evolution as a science

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:36 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:A somewhat cute blonde fat girl that can fly is not real science.

She doesn't even have wings.
Genetic evolution is a science, and that's how she got her powers.

So how does she fly?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:37 pm

Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:A somewhat cute blonde fat girl that can fly is not real science.

She doesn't even have wings.
Genetic evolution is a science, and that's how she got her powers.
So how does she fly?

WHAT makes her fly is evolution.

HOW evolution makes her fly... is for the writers to explain.

Clever writers can explain the most comic booky of concepts with credible science.

Warren Ellis has made strives to do stuff like that with the Ultimate Fantastic Four.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:41 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:WHAT makes her fly is evolution.

HOW evolution makes her fly... is for the writers to explain.

Clever writers can explain the most comic booky of concepts with credible science.

Warren Ellis has made strives to do stuff like that with the Ultimate Fantastic Four.

Evolution picks her up and moves her around according to her own design for a flight path?

How did the writers explain her flight? If they are so focused on real world science, dazzle me.

Look at the X-Men. Magneto rides magnetism. Angel has wings. What does Faith have?

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:43 pm

Evolution is not absolute . . .

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:43 pm

Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:WHAT makes her fly is evolution.

HOW evolution makes her fly... is for the writers to explain.

Clever writers can explain the most comic booky of concepts with credible science.

Warren Ellis has made strives to do stuff like that with the Ultimate Fantastic Four.
Evolution picks her up and moves her around according to her own design for a flight path?

How did the writers explain her flight? If they are so focused on real world science, dazzle me.

Look at the X-Men. Magneto rides magnetism. Angel has wings. What does Faith have?

How Faith flies was not explained in detail, other than to say that everyone's powers in Harbinger are based on the mind.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:48 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:WHAT makes her fly is evolution.

HOW evolution makes her fly... is for the writers to explain.

Clever writers can explain the most comic booky of concepts with credible science.

Warren Ellis has made strives to do stuff like that with the Ultimate Fantastic Four.
Evolution picks her up and moves her around according to her own design for a flight path?

How did the writers explain her flight? If they are so focused on real world science, dazzle me.

Look at the X-Men. Magneto rides magnetism. Angel has wings. What does Faith have?
How Faith flies was not explained in detail, other than to say that everyone's powers in Harbinger are based on the mind.

I'll buy that. It's as believable as any other comic book explanation. Magneto controls magnetism with his mind.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:49 pm

Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:WHAT makes her fly is evolution.

HOW evolution makes her fly... is for the writers to explain.

Clever writers can explain the most comic booky of concepts with credible science.

Warren Ellis has made strives to do stuff like that with the Ultimate Fantastic Four.
Evolution picks her up and moves her around according to her own design for a flight path?

How did the writers explain her flight? If they are so focused on real world science, dazzle me.

Look at the X-Men. Magneto rides magnetism. Angel has wings. What does Faith have?
How Faith flies was not explained in detail, other than to say that everyone's powers in Harbinger are based on the mind.
I'll buy that. It's as believable as any other comic book explanation. Magneto controls magnetism with his mind.

It's slightly more belivable than a parchment of paper that lets a goat travel between universes...

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:53 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:I'll buy that. It's as believable as any other comic book explanation. Magneto controls magnetism with his mind.
It's slightly more belivable than a parchment of paper that lets a goat travel between universes...

But... it's the Anywhen Fold.

Makes as much sense as time arcs to me. Just about as much suspension of disbelief.

Time arcs are just as magical.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:54 pm

Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:I'll buy that. It's as believable as any other comic book explanation. Magneto controls magnetism with his mind.
It's slightly more belivable than a parchment of paper that lets a goat travel between universes...
But... it's the Anywhen Fold.

Makes as much sense as time arcs to me. Just about as much suspension of disbelief.

Time arcs are just as magical.

Not really.

In the VU, time arcs are considered a natural aspect of nature, like rain or wind, that was the excuse for their existence.

There is nothing magical about them at all, unlike the fold, which is a magic piece of paper.