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Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It also rawks absolutely, too.

:D

Greed is good.

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Unblessed wrote:Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It also rawks absolutely, too.

:D

Greed is good.

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To be pedantic, what Lord Acton meant was not that power corrupts those who hold it but that power (i.e., government) turns historians into propagandists.

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RJMooreII wrote:
Unblessed wrote:Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It also rawks absolutely, too.

:D

Greed is good.

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To be pedantic, what Lord Acton meant was not that power corrupts those who hold it but that power (i.e., government) turns historians into propagandists.
Time is not absolute. :D

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Unblessed wrote:Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It also rawks absolutely, too.

:D

Greed is good.

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Greed is NEVER good.
Greed is the exactly the reason why the USA is the sad state it's in currently in.

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RJMooreII wrote:
steverino wrote:
RJMooreII wrote:My ideal comic would be something like a the Aberrant rpg written by an Objectivist anarchist.
Punisher War Journal #8 was one of my favs. Jim Lee and Carl Potts were a great team.
My favorite comic of all time is the Infinity Quest series Jim Starlin wrote. Thanos is my favorite Marvel character after Dr. Doom.

The difference in taste was probably summed up best in an article I read on Steve Ditko:
It was apparently during his run on Spider-Man that Steve Ditko first became exposed to the writings of Ayn Rand, and her philosophy of Objectivism...
But there was a problem: an Objectivist Superhero would almost have to be portrayed as infallible or even somewhat godlike, and magical, supernatural powers had no place in Objectivist philosophy. Unfortunately, this put Ditko's new ideas at odds with Stan Lee's "superheroes with feet of clay" approach...
Some people like Stan Lee. Me, I like Ditko.
Rand would have been a decent GA/SA comic writer: Same message over and over again until your readers accept it without thinking.
Pretty crappy as a novelist though . . .

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X-O HoboJoe wrote:
RJMooreII wrote:
steverino wrote:
RJMooreII wrote:My ideal comic would be something like a the Aberrant rpg written by an Objectivist anarchist.
Punisher War Journal #8 was one of my favs. Jim Lee and Carl Potts were a great team.
My favorite comic of all time is the Infinity Quest series Jim Starlin wrote. Thanos is my favorite Marvel character after Dr. Doom.

The difference in taste was probably summed up best in an article I read on Steve Ditko:
It was apparently during his run on Spider-Man that Steve Ditko first became exposed to the writings of Ayn Rand, and her philosophy of Objectivism...
But there was a problem: an Objectivist Superhero would almost have to be portrayed as infallible or even somewhat godlike, and magical, supernatural powers had no place in Objectivist philosophy. Unfortunately, this put Ditko's new ideas at odds with Stan Lee's "superheroes with feet of clay" approach...
Some people like Stan Lee. Me, I like Ditko.
Rand would have been a decent GA/SA comic writer: Same message over and over again until your readers accept it without thinking.
Pretty crappy as a novelist though . . .
I tried telling that to somebody, oh, about ten years ago. She was a year younger than I was and convinced that "the secret to a great life is contained in the wisdom of Rand". Even then, I chuckled. I've always viewed Rand as a security blanket for the extremely selfish.

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Post by greg »

X-O HoboJoe wrote:Rand would have been a decent GA/SA comic writer: Same message over and over again until your readers accept it without thinking.
This also works in religion and museum management.

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xodacia81 wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
RJMooreII wrote:
steverino wrote:
RJMooreII wrote:My ideal comic would be something like a the Aberrant rpg written by an Objectivist anarchist.
Punisher War Journal #8 was one of my favs. Jim Lee and Carl Potts were a great team.
My favorite comic of all time is the Infinity Quest series Jim Starlin wrote. Thanos is my favorite Marvel character after Dr. Doom.

The difference in taste was probably summed up best in an article I read on Steve Ditko:
It was apparently during his run on Spider-Man that Steve Ditko first became exposed to the writings of Ayn Rand, and her philosophy of Objectivism...
But there was a problem: an Objectivist Superhero would almost have to be portrayed as infallible or even somewhat godlike, and magical, supernatural powers had no place in Objectivist philosophy. Unfortunately, this put Ditko's new ideas at odds with Stan Lee's "superheroes with feet of clay" approach...
Some people like Stan Lee. Me, I like Ditko.
Rand would have been a decent GA/SA comic writer: Same message over and over again until your readers accept it without thinking.
Pretty crappy as a novelist though . . .
I tried telling that to somebody, oh, about ten years ago. She was a year younger than I was and convinced that "the secret to a great life is contained in the wisdom of Rand". Even then, I chuckled. I've always viewed Rand as a security blanket for the extremely selfish.
Not her message that bothers me as much as her need to hammer you over the *SQUEE* head with it every 5 sentences. That plus her inability to catch her own logic-mistakes means that the longer the book, the more convoluted and back-*SQUEE* she becomes. Atlas Shrugged would have been tremendous as a short story, IMO.

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X-O HoboJoe wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
RJMooreII wrote:
steverino wrote:
RJMooreII wrote:My ideal comic would be something like a the Aberrant rpg written by an Objectivist anarchist.
Punisher War Journal #8 was one of my favs. Jim Lee and Carl Potts were a great team.
My favorite comic of all time is the Infinity Quest series Jim Starlin wrote. Thanos is my favorite Marvel character after Dr. Doom.

The difference in taste was probably summed up best in an article I read on Steve Ditko:
It was apparently during his run on Spider-Man that Steve Ditko first became exposed to the writings of Ayn Rand, and her philosophy of Objectivism...
But there was a problem: an Objectivist Superhero would almost have to be portrayed as infallible or even somewhat godlike, and magical, supernatural powers had no place in Objectivist philosophy. Unfortunately, this put Ditko's new ideas at odds with Stan Lee's "superheroes with feet of clay" approach...
Some people like Stan Lee. Me, I like Ditko.
Rand would have been a decent GA/SA comic writer: Same message over and over again until your readers accept it without thinking.
Pretty crappy as a novelist though . . .
I tried telling that to somebody, oh, about ten years ago. She was a year younger than I was and convinced that "the secret to a great life is contained in the wisdom of Rand". Even then, I chuckled. I've always viewed Rand as a security blanket for the extremely selfish.
Not her message that bothers me as much as her need to hammer you over the *SQUEE* head with it every 5 sentences. That plus her inability to catch her own logic-mistakes means that the longer the book, the more convoluted and back-*SQUEE* she becomes. Atlas Shrugged would have been tremendous as a short story, IMO.
You mean there was enough story in there to last long enough to be "short"? I thought it was at best matchbook or napkin size :twisted:

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Greed is good.

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xodacia81 wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
RJMooreII wrote:
steverino wrote: Punisher War Journal #8 was one of my favs. Jim Lee and Carl Potts were a great team.
My favorite comic of all time is the Infinity Quest series Jim Starlin wrote. Thanos is my favorite Marvel character after Dr. Doom.

The difference in taste was probably summed up best in an article I read on Steve Ditko:
It was apparently during his run on Spider-Man that Steve Ditko first became exposed to the writings of Ayn Rand, and her philosophy of Objectivism...
But there was a problem: an Objectivist Superhero would almost have to be portrayed as infallible or even somewhat godlike, and magical, supernatural powers had no place in Objectivist philosophy. Unfortunately, this put Ditko's new ideas at odds with Stan Lee's "superheroes with feet of clay" approach...
Some people like Stan Lee. Me, I like Ditko.
Rand would have been a decent GA/SA comic writer: Same message over and over again until your readers accept it without thinking.
Pretty crappy as a novelist though . . .
I tried telling that to somebody, oh, about ten years ago. She was a year younger than I was and convinced that "the secret to a great life is contained in the wisdom of Rand". Even then, I chuckled. I've always viewed Rand as a security blanket for the extremely selfish.
Not her message that bothers me as much as her need to hammer you over the *SQUEE* head with it every 5 sentences. That plus her inability to catch her own logic-mistakes means that the longer the book, the more convoluted and back-*SQUEE* she becomes. Atlas Shrugged would have been tremendous as a short story, IMO.
You mean there was enough story in there to last long enough to be "short"? I thought it was at best matchbook or napkin size :twisted:
Ever read Harrison Bergeron? Mucho good. :thumb:

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X-O HoboJoe wrote: The realization that he has no need for money or status is part of what drives the main character. The point being that with god-level power, your peer group no longer includes most of the planet and things the average person values are eventually completely irrelevant.
Along those lines, check out the novel Odd John by Olaf Stapledon.

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Post by RJMooreII »

Aha! I found someone else who shares my exact views on why you shouldn't arbitrarily and inconsistently violate things like physics, logic and causality:
http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3al.html
"So What If I Broke Twelve Laws Of Physics? It's Only Science FICTION"

This silly opinion implies that the word "fiction" nullifies the word "science." Since it is "fiction", and fiction is by definition "not true", then we can make "not true" any and all science that gets in the way, right?

Hogwash. By the same logic, the term "detective fiction" gives the author license to totally ignore standard procedures and techniques used by detectives, the term "military fiction" allows the author to totally ignore military tactics and strategy, and the term "historical fiction" allows the author to totally ignore the relevant history.

Imagine a historical fiction novel where Napoleon at Waterloo defeated the knights of the Round Table by using the Enola Gay to drop an atom bomb. It's OK because it is "fiction", right?

This non-argument is the favorite of science fiction fans who like all the zipping spaceships and ray guns but who actually know practically nothing about real science. And who cannot be bothered to go learn.

In the presence of people who are indeed scientifically literate, such fans tend to get very defensive about their lack of knowledge. The non-argument is a feeble attempt at compensating for their shortcomings by attempting to forbid the others from using their knowledge.

Slightly more difficult to deal with, but still operating under a flawed concept are those fans with little or no technical background, who think that they can take a "shortcut" to advanced scientific knowledge by skipping over the usual years of hard work in university, and simply reading some books on quantum mechanics. It doesn't work that way.


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