The Boon

KXXX · Post by **KXXX** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:29 am

Could the name of the pieces shed light on this?

Archer was in possession of the 'fulcrum' and there was another piece mentioned by name if I'm not mistaken. I can't think of it right now, but I'm thinking it may shed light onto just what kind of machine this Boon is.

Anyone? Bueller?

KXXX · Post by **KXXX** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:38 am

This is an excerpt from a wikipedia article about levers, which I'm assuming most of you know uses a fulcrum as a pivot point:

"This is the law of the lever, which was proven by Archimedes using geometric reasoning.[5] It shows that if the distance a from the fulcrum to where the input force is applied (point A) is greater than the distance b from fulcrum to where the output force is applied (point B), then the lever amplifies the input force. On the other hand, if the distance a from the fulcrum to the input force is less than the distance b from the fulcrum to the output force, then the lever reduces the input force."

So basically, Ivar could've inadvertantly nuked existence by activating this thing on 'High.' It's like an 'oops I forgot to carry the one and there goes the universe' scenario.

The Dirt Gang · Post by **The Dirt Gang** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:43 am

From the American Heritage Dictionary:

Fulcrum - "An agent through which vital powers are exercised"

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:01 pm

The other part was the PLANE, having previously belonged to the Masons.

In woodworking, a plane is a hand tool used to flatten the face of a piece of wood, or to dress an edge for functional or decorative purposes (a chamfer or roundover for a more pleasing look and feel, or a rabbet for joinery) by shaving off some of the wood with each pass of the tool.

Since the plane in question came from the Masons, I'd assume it to be this sort of plane rather than airplane or a geometric plane or some other definition of the word. Although, it could also be something completely different as relates to The Boon.

Their plane might be more of a trowel type tool for spreading and leveling mortar.

The Dirt Gang · Post by **The Dirt Gang** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:25 pm

How about Plane as in another level of existence?

KXXX · Post by **KXXX** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:32 pm

Plane as a tool doesn't seem to make much sense in my mind as part of a machine. An inclined plane, or ramp, is considered a simple machine. However, in the specific sense of fulcrum, the plane could simply be the part of a lever that sits atop.

This is interesting.

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:15 pm

KXXX wrote:Plane as a tool doesn't seem to make much sense in my mind as part of a machine. An inclined plane, or ramp, is considered a simple machine. However, in the specific sense of fulcrum, the plane could simply be the part of a lever that sits atop.

This is interesting.

Yep, you're right. That does make more sense. Just curious how that would tie to the Masons.

KXXX · Post by **KXXX** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:26 pm

I was thinking it might have something to do with their symbol, but Google told me the doo-dads they use are a square and compass. I'm not so familiar with the organization, although they seem to get brought up in conspiracy

all the time. Perhaps they just happened to be the organization that held it?

KXXX · Post by **KXXX** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:26 pm

Okay, several more notes/thoughts:

The Boon: The Boon was activated and ended the world. Armstrong clearly survived, as he describes breaking the thing into pieces (of which four more, besides the fulcrum and plane, are still sought by the 1%) to keep it from being used again. I think it's clear that Aram is immortal beacause of the Boon, and it's not a stretch to imagine that Ivar is still alive. As for the idea of it reviving dead humans (assuming the Anni-Pada are in fact human), we know that Eternal Warrior has been announced, so Gilad must have been brought back. From there it's not a stretch to imagine the other dead folk in the room did, too. This means there are a possible 9 Immortals now walking the earth (the three brothers, the two guards and the three to four people Ivar presumably killed) as a result of the Boon.
When the Boon is fired, we CLEARLY see Aram being knocked BACK by the energy. HOWEVER... look at the panel that depicts the reaction from the other side. Some of the 'blur lines' appear to PRECEED the chunks of rock, etc. in the PRESUMED direction of the reaction. This is not indicative of an outward force. Some lines appear to contradict this, though, as does one of the two stone structures depicted. The other appears bent TOWARD the Boon. The people shown don't offer much help. This makes me think the Boon may have ABSORBED all life force one earth and granted it to those on the other side. This makes me think the position of the Fulcrum was off, massive energy required on the one end for the purpose on the other. All the lives of the world to the nine. Ivar had it cranked to 11.

Sons of Perdition: The visage used by the gang appears to be that of Baphomet, a representation of Pagan gods (possibly never actually revered in the old days) currently used to indicate worship of Satan. I think it's important to note, though, that the energy from the Fulcrum is still 'pointing' towards Aram; it's possible the biker just happened to get in the way and that this was a 'red herring.'

The Sect: The Sect includes the Dominion and the 1%, and likely the Freemasons. The Freemasons and The Dominion (Archer's folk) both held a piece of the Boon. Archer's parents state 'we are all one sect' to which the 1% reply and refer to Mammon, a personification of greed. We're likely going to see a war between different parts of the Sect.
The masks and the statue are of a Golden Bull. The Golden Bull is a false god in the bible, but also (and more importantly) the Bull of Heaven from Mesopotamian times. Mesopotamia/Ur/Uruk/Iraq. The Sect on the whole has infiltrated most secret societies in the world in search of the Boon. I feel like pieces of The Sect could be headed by the several other possible immortals.

This next one may ruin everything.

The Epic of Gilgamesh: Wikipedia it. It's the first recorded epic from Mesopotamia. Several things about this are interesting, and one is probably going to ruin everything. The Bull of Heaven is killed by Gilgamesh in the epic, but even more interesting is the fact that Gilgamesh seeks out the man Utnapishtim, also referred to as 'the faraway,' to learn the secret to eternal life which was granted to him by the gods. Gilad is Gilgamesh???

Blood of Heroes · Post by **Blood of Heroes** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:22 pm

Heath wrote: My thoughts.

The Gods are ancient aliens who use The Boon to achieve immortality. There are ton of theories out there about aliens visiting ancient man and being regarded as gods. This would really fit in with the theme of the book - that every conspiracy theory you've ever heard is true.

They're not sure it works on humans, but they know it works on those aliens. Are they The Vine? Another group of aliens?

The Faraway is another planet or perhaps a space ship belonging to these other aliens.

That sounds like half the plot of the Stargate movie...

The Dirt Gang · Post by **The Dirt Gang** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:51 pm

KXXX wrote:Okay, several more notes/thoughts:

This next one may ruin everything.

The Epic of Gilgamesh: Wikipedia it. It's the first recorded epic from Mesopotamia. Several things about this are interesting, and one is probably going to ruin everything. The Bull of Heaven is killed by Gilgamesh in the epic, but even more interesting is the fact that Gilgamesh seeks out the man Utnapishtim, also referred to as 'the faraway,' to learn the secret to eternal life which was granted to him by the gods. Gilad is Gilgamesh???

Very interesting!

jmatt · Post by **jmatt** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:01 pm

Heath wrote:Who are the Gods that are immortal thanks to The Boon?

That's a very good question.

jmatt · Post by **jmatt** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:12 pm

KXXX wrote:The Epic of Gilgamesh: Wikipedia it. It's the first recorded epic from Mesopotamia. Several things about this are interesting, and one is probably going to ruin everything. The Bull of Heaven is killed by Gilgamesh in the epic, but even more interesting is the fact that Gilgamesh seeks out the man Utnapishtim, also referred to as 'the faraway,' to learn the secret to eternal life which was granted to him by the gods. Gilad is Gilgamesh???

Egads!

Link here: "O Valiant One, who is the Sage of the Gods." The text also speaks of an ark... where have we seen an ark... Enlil is the Valiant One... The Igigi Gods... And hey, my kooky observation about the Genesis quotes bears out: The Boon ends the world with a flood; which also invalidates my 'Pangea' observation; the world is simply covered with water and clouds, that's why ya can't see a landmass. What I interpreted as land was just cloudcover.

KXXX · Post by **KXXX** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:03 am

jmatt wrote:
KXXX wrote:The Epic of Gilgamesh: Wikipedia it. It's the first recorded epic from Mesopotamia. Several things about this are interesting, and one is probably going to ruin everything. The Bull of Heaven is killed by Gilgamesh in the epic, but even more interesting is the fact that Gilgamesh seeks out the man Utnapishtim, also referred to as 'the faraway,' to learn the secret to eternal life which was granted to him by the gods. Gilad is Gilgamesh???
Egads!

Link here: "O Valiant One, who is the Sage of the Gods." The text also speaks of an ark... where have we seen an ark... Enlil is the Valiant One... The Igigi Gods... And hey, my kooky observation about the Genesis quotes bears out: The Boon ends the world with a flood; which also invalidates my 'Pangea' observation; the world is simply covered with water and clouds, that's why ya can't see a landmass. What I interpreted as land was just cloudcover.

Excellent! The only thing is that Faraway gains immortal life after a great flood. I'll be looking into this more today.

grendeljd · Post by **grendeljd** » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:43 pm

KXXX wrote:
jmatt wrote:
KXXX wrote:The Epic of Gilgamesh: Wikipedia it. It's the first recorded epic from Mesopotamia. Several things about this are interesting, and one is probably going to ruin everything. The Bull of Heaven is killed by Gilgamesh in the epic, but even more interesting is the fact that Gilgamesh seeks out the man Utnapishtim, also referred to as 'the faraway,' to learn the secret to eternal life which was granted to him by the gods. Gilad is Gilgamesh???
Egads!

Link here: "O Valiant One, who is the Sage of the Gods." The text also speaks of an ark... where have we seen an ark... Enlil is the Valiant One... The Igigi Gods... And hey, my kooky observation about the Genesis quotes bears out: The Boon ends the world with a flood; which also invalidates my 'Pangea' observation; the world is simply covered with water and clouds, that's why ya can't see a landmass. What I interpreted as land was just cloudcover.
Excellent! The only thing is that Faraway gains immortal life after a great flood. I'll be looking into this more today.

Very VERY interesting detective researching, gentlemen! I think you are really on to something here... Too many coincidences at play, the plot's gotta follow this stuff to some extent. I don't think you need to throw up the spoiler shading - we're in the spoiler section and it's all just speculation still... Very educated speculation!!

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:54 pm

grendeljd wrote:
KXXX wrote:
jmatt wrote:
KXXX wrote:The Epic of Gilgamesh: Wikipedia it. It's the first recorded epic from Mesopotamia. Several things about this are interesting, and one is probably going to ruin everything. The Bull of Heaven is killed by Gilgamesh in the epic, but even more interesting is the fact that Gilgamesh seeks out the man Utnapishtim, also referred to as 'the faraway,' to learn the secret to eternal life which was granted to him by the gods. Gilad is Gilgamesh???
Egads!

Link here: "O Valiant One, who is the Sage of the Gods." The text also speaks of an ark... where have we seen an ark... Enlil is the Valiant One... The Igigi Gods... And hey, my kooky observation about the Genesis quotes bears out: The Boon ends the world with a flood; which also invalidates my 'Pangea' observation; the world is simply covered with water and clouds, that's why ya can't see a landmass. What I interpreted as land was just cloudcover.
Excellent! The only thing is that Faraway gains immortal life after a great flood. I'll be looking into this more today.
Very VERY interesting detective researching, gentlemen! I think you are really on to something here... Too many coincidences at play, the plot's gotta follow this stuff to some extent. I don't think you need to throw up the spoiler shading - we're in the spoiler section and it's all just speculation still... Very educated speculation!!

The origins of the Faraway is the most interesting to me. The person referred to as such survived the flood (the Noah of Sumerian tradition), so he still predates it. He received his immortality later from the gods. The Faraway also seems to refer to where he dwelt, so it is possible this place is where the Boon came from originally and perhaps one of the Brothers returns there after the flood.

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:13 pm

jmatt wrote:
KXXX wrote:The Epic of Gilgamesh: Wikipedia it. It's the first recorded epic from Mesopotamia. Several things about this are interesting, and one is probably going to ruin everything. The Bull of Heaven is killed by Gilgamesh in the epic, but even more interesting is the fact that Gilgamesh seeks out the man Utnapishtim, also referred to as 'the faraway,' to learn the secret to eternal life which was granted to him by the gods. Gilad is Gilgamesh???
Egads!

Link here: "O Valiant One, who is the Sage of the Gods." The text also speaks of an ark... where have we seen an ark... Enlil is the Valiant One... The Igigi Gods... And hey, my kooky observation about the Genesis quotes bears out: The Boon ends the world with a flood; which also invalidates my 'Pangea' observation; the world is simply covered with water and clouds, that's why ya can't see a landmass. What I interpreted as land was just cloudcover.

As I mentioned in another thread (I think): I read or heard somewhere that Utnapishtim was the ancient Babylonian name for Noah...

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:57 pm

yardstick wrote:
jmatt wrote:
KXXX wrote:The Epic of Gilgamesh: Wikipedia it. It's the first recorded epic from Mesopotamia. Several things about this are interesting, and one is probably going to ruin everything. The Bull of Heaven is killed by Gilgamesh in the epic, but even more interesting is the fact that Gilgamesh seeks out the man Utnapishtim, also referred to as 'the faraway,' to learn the secret to eternal life which was granted to him by the gods. Gilad is Gilgamesh???
Egads!

Link here: "O Valiant One, who is the Sage of the Gods." The text also speaks of an ark... where have we seen an ark... Enlil is the Valiant One... The Igigi Gods... And hey, my kooky observation about the Genesis quotes bears out: The Boon ends the world with a flood; which also invalidates my 'Pangea' observation; the world is simply covered with water and clouds, that's why ya can't see a landmass. What I interpreted as land was just cloudcover.
As I mentioned in another thread (I think): I read or heard somewhere that Utnapishtim was the ancient Babylonian name for Noah...

More like Noah was the Biblical name for Utnapishtim.

Blood of Heroes · Post by **Blood of Heroes** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:48 pm

BugsySig wrote:
yardstick wrote:
jmatt wrote:
KXXX wrote:The Epic of Gilgamesh: Wikipedia it. It's the first recorded epic from Mesopotamia. Several things about this are interesting, and one is probably going to ruin everything. The Bull of Heaven is killed by Gilgamesh in the epic, but even more interesting is the fact that Gilgamesh seeks out the man Utnapishtim, also referred to as 'the faraway,' to learn the secret to eternal life which was granted to him by the gods. Gilad is Gilgamesh???
Egads!

Link here: "O Valiant One, who is the Sage of the Gods." The text also speaks of an ark... where have we seen an ark... Enlil is the Valiant One... The Igigi Gods... And hey, my kooky observation about the Genesis quotes bears out: The Boon ends the world with a flood; which also invalidates my 'Pangea' observation; the world is simply covered with water and clouds, that's why ya can't see a landmass. What I interpreted as land was just cloudcover.
As I mentioned in another thread (I think): I read or heard somewhere that Utnapishtim was the ancient Babylonian name for Noah...
More like Noah was the Biblical name for Utnapishtim.

There are other 'great flood' stories??? HERESY!!!!

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:58 pm

Blood of Heroes wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
yardstick wrote:
jmatt wrote:
KXXX wrote:The Epic of Gilgamesh: Wikipedia it. It's the first recorded epic from Mesopotamia. Several things about this are interesting, and one is probably going to ruin everything. The Bull of Heaven is killed by Gilgamesh in the epic, but even more interesting is the fact that Gilgamesh seeks out the man Utnapishtim, also referred to as 'the faraway,' to learn the secret to eternal life which was granted to him by the gods. Gilad is Gilgamesh???
Egads!

Link here: "O Valiant One, who is the Sage of the Gods." The text also speaks of an ark... where have we seen an ark... Enlil is the Valiant One... The Igigi Gods... And hey, my kooky observation about the Genesis quotes bears out: The Boon ends the world with a flood; which also invalidates my 'Pangea' observation; the world is simply covered with water and clouds, that's why ya can't see a landmass. What I interpreted as land was just cloudcover.
As I mentioned in another thread (I think): I read or heard somewhere that Utnapishtim was the ancient Babylonian name for Noah...
More like Noah was the Biblical name for Utnapishtim.
There are other 'great flood' stories??? HERESY!!!!

You must live at that amusement park with Archer

Blood of Heroes · Post by **Blood of Heroes** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:17 pm

BugsySig wrote:
Blood of Heroes wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
yardstick wrote:
jmatt wrote:
KXXX wrote:The Epic of Gilgamesh: Wikipedia it. It's the first recorded epic from Mesopotamia. Several things about this are interesting, and one is probably going to ruin everything. The Bull of Heaven is killed by Gilgamesh in the epic, but even more interesting is the fact that Gilgamesh seeks out the man Utnapishtim, also referred to as 'the faraway,' to learn the secret to eternal life which was granted to him by the gods. Gilad is Gilgamesh???
Egads!

Link here: "O Valiant One, who is the Sage of the Gods." The text also speaks of an ark... where have we seen an ark... Enlil is the Valiant One... The Igigi Gods... And hey, my kooky observation about the Genesis quotes bears out: The Boon ends the world with a flood; which also invalidates my 'Pangea' observation; the world is simply covered with water and clouds, that's why ya can't see a landmass. What I interpreted as land was just cloudcover.
As I mentioned in another thread (I think): I read or heard somewhere that Utnapishtim was the ancient Babylonian name for Noah...
More like Noah was the Biblical name for Utnapishtim.
There are other 'great flood' stories??? HERESY!!!!
You must live at that amusement park with Archer

Baramos · Post by **Baramos** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:25 pm

As others have said, it appears to take the life-force from others and insert it into the three brothers (and maybe the dead king and his guards). So the brothers are immortal because they have the life-force of thousands and thousands of people in their bodies. This gives them their healing factor and immortal life spans.

I don't know if it's supposed to be Vine technology, but it's quite possible...I'm assuming the landings in X-O Manowar were far from the first time they had visited Earth.

It would be neat if this technology is somehow related to the nanite technology and the Bleeding Monk from Bloodshot and Harbinger, respectively.

Good find on the comparison to the Epic of Gilgamesh, I think you are on the right track there. That is probably the kind of mythology the creators were looking at to come up with this origin for the Anni-Padda brothers (maybe Anni-Padda is just their last name? Aram Anni-Padda, Ivar Anni-Padda...)

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:27 pm

Baramos wrote:As others have said, it appears to take the life-force from others and insert it into the three brothers (and maybe the dead king and his guards). So the brothers are immortal because they have the life-force of thousands and thousands of people in their bodies. This gives them their healing factor and immortal life spans.

I don't know if it's supposed to be Vine technology, but it's quite possible...I'm assuming the landings in X-O Manowar were far from the first time they had visited Earth.

It would be neat if this technology is somehow related to the nanite technology and the Bleeding Monk from Bloodshot and Harbinger, respectively.

Good find on the comparison to the Epic of Gilgamesh, I think you are on the right track there. That is probably the kind of mythology the creators were looking at to come up with this origin for the Anni-Padda brothers (maybe Anni-Padda is just their last name? Aram Anni-Padda, Ivar Anni-Padda...)

In VH1 Anni-Padda was their last name...like a clan...the name comes from an actual set of rulers of the ancient region of Ur.

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