Bloodshot #12 Discussion

[400yrs]

I don't think it works that way. You can complain about last issue being a rehash (I didn't, I enjoyed the more in-depth version...much of Unity was written this way)

Actually ALL of unity was written that way and much worse. It wasn't a retelling like some of these HW issues have been. It was panel for panel swipes in each and every book. I re-read it a few years ago and it was a bit painful to get through because of the blatant repetition. This run is going to read a lot better in collected form.

[Shadowman99]

I thought that when Bloodshot had beaten Kuretich and his soldiers it was implied that he'd eat them to regain his strength... until I turned the page, and he ate the cows instead! I'm on the 'wasted opportunity' bandwagon here I'm afraid, it'd have been sooooo much more fun/cooler to have him chow down on the soldiers instead! He was so desperate I really thought he'd go for the absolute nearest source of protein... The men! It's an adult comic, I don't see why he couldn't have done... Maybe Bloodshot's just not *that* brutal

I was a bit confused with the time-jumping element in the comic, but by just reading forward a few pages and then linking it back it was easy enough to make sense of it. But I suppose that the fact that it was on page one of the comic was what made it confusing in the first place. Probably should have opened with a current events page, and then flashed back on page two or something. I honestly thought I'd picked up a comic with a major printing error in for a moment!

The change in Kuretich's attitude towards Bloodshot was really pragmatic I thought. I thought that he'd see the destruction of Bloodshot at this hands would be an atonement to Harada for having missed the deep PRS programing leading to Harada's beating, and having learned that he'd missed this deep programing, he'd have doubt as to what other worms are lurking deep inside Bloodshot. There could even be a 'Kuretich Protocol' for as much as he or any of us know. If Kuretich's main concern truly is the safety of the psiot children, perhaps he simply deems Bloodshot too dangerous to be in the presence of the children, after having seen him lose control of himself during the Harada fight.

It's a shame some people aren't enjoying the book, it's easily my favourite read of the month, every month!

[Baramos]

Eh, I like a little chronological experimentation. It was also a pretty brutal scene to open with, since you see him missing his limbs and surrounded by these guys with chainsaws before being kicked down an elevator shaft and it's like, "HOLY CRAP WHAT DID I MISS?!"

Definitely an enjoyable issue. I'd put it pretty high up there as well, like maybe just below Harbinger Wars 2 or something with the Harada Protocol.

[jmatt]

Eh, I like a little chronological experimentation. It was also a pretty brutal scene to open with, since you see him missing his limbs and surrounded by these guys with chainsaws before being kicked down an elevator shaft and it's like, "HOLY CRAP WHAT DID I MISS?!"

I like when a comic book goes all Tarentino. It really whets the appetite.

[Dallow Spicer1]

I thought this was a strong issue which enhances the already excellent Harby Wars. Very happy with the art my only gripe is. WHERE DOES HE KEEP GETTING THE BLACK TSHIRTS WITH THE RED CIRCLE FROM?? This makes no sense!?

But, overall, an enjoyable read! 3.5/5

[Phoenix8008]

I thought this was a strong issue which enhances the already excellent Harby Wars. Very happy with the art my only gripe is. WHERE DOES HE KEEP GETTING THE BLACK TSHIRTS WITH THE RED CIRCLE FROM?? This makes no sense!?

But, overall, an enjoyable read! 3.5/5

Does Archer ever wear a different T-shirt besides the blue one with the star? I'm there with you. I mean if it was a white shirt Bloodshot kept putting on and they showed it bleeding through, fine. Even if it was a black shirt and they showed a darker read shiny spot with some bloodtrail leaking down, I'd buy it that he's just putting on a plain black shirt and it's leaking through with the blood. But he really has a stockpile of black shirts with bright red dots on them? Or is he cutting a hole there in all his shirts to let his chest wound show through?

[BugsySig]

I thought this was a strong issue which enhances the already excellent Harby Wars. Very happy with the art my only gripe is. WHERE DOES HE KEEP GETTING THE BLACK TSHIRTS WITH THE RED CIRCLE FROM?? This makes no sense!?

But, overall, an enjoyable read! 3.5/5

Does Archer ever wear a different T-shirt besides the blue one with the star? I'm there with you. I mean if it was a white shirt Bloodshot kept putting on and they showed it bleeding through, fine. Even if it was a black shirt and they showed a darker read shiny spot with some bloodtrail leaking down, I'd buy it that he's just putting on a plain black shirt and it's leaking through with the blood. But he really has a stockpile of black shirts with bright red dots on them? Or is he cutting a hole there in all his shirts to let his chest wound show through?

Those are just standard issue PRS T-Shirts. They gave them out at last year's company picnic.

[Dallow Spicer1]

I thought this was a strong issue which enhances the already excellent Harby Wars. Very happy with the art my only gripe is. WHERE DOES HE KEEP GETTING THE BLACK TSHIRTS WITH THE RED CIRCLE FROM?? This makes no sense!?

But, overall, an enjoyable read! 3.5/5

Does Archer ever wear a different T-shirt besides the blue one with the star? I'm there with you. I mean if it was a white shirt Bloodshot kept putting on and they showed it bleeding through, fine. Even if it was a black shirt and they showed a darker read shiny spot with some bloodtrail leaking down, I'd buy it that he's just putting on a plain black shirt and it's leaking through with the blood. But he really has a stockpile of black shirts with bright red dots on them? Or is he cutting a hole there in all his shirts to let his chest wound show through?

Those are just standard issue PRS T-Shirts. They gave them out at last year's company picnic.

Yeah the Archer thing is a bug bear too! Not sure if it's lazy creativity or marketing gone crazy ie they must appear in the 'standard' dress design at all times to ensure 'product recognition' ? Like we wouldn't be able to follow the story if Bloodshot didn't have his shirt shot/blown off each issue to reveal the red circle or have a tshirt with the circle pre printed!? Or Archer wearing the same t shirt regardless of the weather?!!

[Phoenix8008]

I thought this was a strong issue which enhances the already excellent Harby Wars. Very happy with the art my only gripe is. WHERE DOES HE KEEP GETTING THE BLACK TSHIRTS WITH THE RED CIRCLE FROM?? This makes no sense!?

But, overall, an enjoyable read! 3.5/5

Does Archer ever wear a different T-shirt besides the blue one with the star? I'm there with you. I mean if it was a white shirt Bloodshot kept putting on and they showed it bleeding through, fine. Even if it was a black shirt and they showed a darker read shiny spot with some bloodtrail leaking down, I'd buy it that he's just putting on a plain black shirt and it's leaking through with the blood. But he really has a stockpile of black shirts with bright red dots on them? Or is he cutting a hole there in all his shirts to let his chest wound show through?

Those are just standard issue PRS T-Shirts. They gave them out at last year's company picnic.

Yeah the Archer thing is a bug bear too! Not sure if it's lazy creativity or marketing gone crazy ie they must appear in the 'standard' dress design at all times to ensure 'product recognition' ? Like we wouldn't be able to follow the story if Bloodshot didn't have his shirt shot/blown off each issue to reveal the red circle or have a tshirt with the circle pre printed!? Or Archer wearing the same t shirt regardless of the weather?!!

What really got to me is in the latest issue when A&A snuck into Area 51, the harness attaching Archer to Armstrong when they climbed down out of the wheel well of the plane had a blue star on the front of it right where it rested over his chest! Aaaarrrgh! Lazy, lazy, lazy! Let it be covered up and not visable for one freaking panel!

[Dallow Spicer1]

I thought this was a strong issue which enhances the already excellent Harby Wars. Very happy with the art my only gripe is. WHERE DOES HE KEEP GETTING THE BLACK TSHIRTS WITH THE RED CIRCLE FROM?? This makes no sense!?

But, overall, an enjoyable read! 3.5/5

Does Archer ever wear a different T-shirt besides the blue one with the star? I'm there with you. I mean if it was a white shirt Bloodshot kept putting on and they showed it bleeding through, fine. Even if it was a black shirt and they showed a darker read shiny spot with some bloodtrail leaking down, I'd buy it that he's just putting on a plain black shirt and it's leaking through with the blood. But he really has a stockpile of black shirts with bright red dots on them? Or is he cutting a hole there in all his shirts to let his chest wound show through?

Those are just standard issue PRS T-Shirts. They gave them out at last year's company picnic.

Yeah the Archer thing is a bug bear too! Not sure if it's lazy creativity or marketing gone crazy ie they must appear in the 'standard' dress design at all times to ensure 'product recognition' ? Like we wouldn't be able to follow the story if Bloodshot didn't have his shirt shot/blown off each issue to reveal the red circle or have a tshirt with the circle pre printed!? Or Archer wearing the same t shirt regardless of the weather?!!

What really got to me is in the latest issue when A&A snuck into Area 51, the harness attaching Archer to Armstrong when they climbed down out of the wheel well of the plane had a blue star on the front of it right where it rested over his chest! Aaaarrrgh! Lazy, lazy, lazy! Let it be covered up and not visable for one freaking panel!

I dropped A&A after issue 8 as too many little things were bugging me about the story and art. It was a shame as FVL has some interesting concepts but the book doesn't quite nail it for me.

Whilst I'm on a roll with bug bears, Alyssa from Shadowman has her glasses resting on top of her head, despite fighting zombies, ghosts etc from Deadside the glasses...never....fall...off!!

[The Dirt Gang]

Did anyone else think Bloodshot was going to snack on Kuretich and his men before they showed the cows?

YES!!! It would have been so much better if he had eaten those guys and then come across the cows. Talk about your missed opportunity!

+1 I thought this was where it was headed after reading HW#3 first and there was mention of covering up what happened at the meat packing plant.

I thought the issue started off slow and wish there was a little more character development between BS and the kids but overall I enjoyed it. My one real gripe is why do Kuretich and his men leave BS on the conveyor belt after dismembering him? It seems to me they should have stuck around and watch him die. Which brings up another question? Would the nanoparticles all come back together even if he was ground up? Could they recreate him? What happens to the nanoparticles if they all leave BS's body?

[blujay]

I'm a little sad that Kuretich didn't have a better pay off than this, but that said this issue was pretty *SQUEE* metal. 6 guys come at Bloodshot with chainsaws and cut his limbs off. *SQUEE* awesome

[jmatt]

WHERE DOES HE KEEP GETTING THE BLACK TSHIRTS WITH THE RED CIRCLE FROM??

Man, you guys are sticklers. I just finished reading Avengers #60 where Yellowjacket marries the Wasp. There's a fight scene and then Henry Pym (Yellowjacket) snaps out of his schizophrenia and resumes his identity as Goliath. He grows big shredding his Yellowjacket costume and is wearing his Goliath costume beneath it... even though he didn't really know he was Goliath!

It's just comics guys.

[Dallow Spicer1]

WHERE DOES HE KEEP GETTING THE BLACK TSHIRTS WITH THE RED CIRCLE FROM??

Man, you guys are sticklers. I just finished reading Avengers #60 where Yellowjacket marries the Wasp. There's a fight scene and then Henry Pym (Yellowjacket) snaps out of his schizophrenia and resumes his identity as Goliath. He grows big shredding his Yellowjacket costume and is wearing his Goliath costume beneath it... even though he didn't really know he was Goliath!

It's just comics guys.

Wait.. WHAAAT!! That's mental! Great example, but that would bug me big time. Sounds like he must change size too, how does that work with the double costume thing?

[Bl00dsh0t]

Having read some comments on this board first I was prepared for the timeline to be out of whack therefore I enjoyed it much more.

What I liked most about comic was the fact, 1yr on, we're getting a story more focused on Bloodshot's evolution as a person than his part in the Harbinger Wars. I thought it was a clever sidestep by Duane Swierczynski to take this in a different direction (and not rehash the events of Harbinger Wars #3).

Of the two, Harbinger #13 was better, that said, both comics were quality. Cant wait to see how this all ends next month!

[Shadowman99]

WHERE DOES HE KEEP GETTING THE BLACK TSHIRTS WITH THE RED CIRCLE FROM??

Man, you guys are sticklers. I just finished reading Avengers #60 where Yellowjacket marries the Wasp. There's a fight scene and then Henry Pym (Yellowjacket) snaps out of his schizophrenia and resumes his identity as Goliath. He grows big shredding his Yellowjacket costume and is wearing his Goliath costume beneath it... even though he didn't really know he was Goliath!

It's just comics guys.

I'm with jmatt on this one, 100%.

I'm happy to simply accept Bloodshot's T-shirts as an artist's liberty - I don't care why there's a red dot on it If it had a picture of a My Little Pony on it and the words "Peace, Love and Rainbow Turds" I'd (laugh my butt off, and then) accept it just the same.

If (I even read A+A!) and noticed a star that matches Obadiah's T-shirt on his flight harness, I'd just see the quirky, funny side of it

Like jmatt said: "It's just comics guys"





P.S: That Yellowjacket/Goliath thing is funny as 'Squee'

[hunter_peterson]

Obviously Bloodshot and Archer just have style and/or the same screen printing guy. Oh! It would be totally awesome to see Archer go to get a new box of star t-shirts only to either a) pass by Bloodshot as he enters, who has many dot shirts with him, or b) get a Bloodshot shirt by mistake. Hehe.

[BugsySig]

Obviously Bloodshot and Archer just have style and/or the same screen printing guy. Oh! It would be totally awesome to see Archer go to get a new box of star t-shirts only to either a) pass by Bloodshot as he enters, who has many dot shirts with him, or b) get a Bloodshot shirt by mistake. Hehe.

Brilliant.

Or Bloodshot gets the star shirt, but you can still see his red spot underneath. Then one of the PRS kids is like, "Who are you supposed to be? Captain America?"

[lorddunlow]

Obviously Bloodshot and Archer just have style and/or the same screen printing guy. Oh! It would be totally awesome to see Archer go to get a new box of star t-shirts only to either a) pass by Bloodshot as he enters, who has many dot shirts with him, or b) get a Bloodshot shirt by mistake. Hehe.

Brilliant.

Or Bloodshot gets the star shirt, but you can still see his red spot underneath. Then one of the PRS kids is like, "Who are you supposed to be? Captain America?"

I'm still of the theory that Bloodshot is a fan of Rai.

[Shadowman99]

Obviously Bloodshot and Archer just have style and/or the same screen printing guy. Oh! It would be totally awesome to see Archer go to get a new box of star t-shirts only to either a) pass by Bloodshot as he enters, who has many dot shirts with him, or b) get a Bloodshot shirt by mistake. Hehe.

Brilliant.

Or Bloodshot gets the star shirt, but you can still see his red spot underneath. Then one of the PRS kids is like, "Who are you supposed to be? Captain America?"

Ha! You two really knocked it out the ballpark with this one

I'd like to see this screen printer in the books for real! I'd like it to be one of those real comic book train crashes, like where a really, REALLY lame character gets introduced (like Rotwak) and heavily influences ALL the comics for the duration of his extremely short publication within books, making all the readers go "Argh! Wtf is Valiant doing?!"

He'd be called 'The Fashionista', and during one single month, he'd appear in every book that Valiant publishes, causing havoc by tampering with all the character's costumes and switching their standard outfits with new ones, switching character's outfits from one character to another (Like BS and Archer getting the wrong T-shirts) or altering and b*stardising a character's standard costume into something slightly different, but heavily wrong

It should be hyped as a 'massive and heavily influential event' within Valiant comics for months on end, only to in reality be a complete and utter let-down and disappointment for the readers!

Of course, at the end of the 'event' he simply disappears into the night and completely gets away with it all, never to be seen again... Or will he?!

That'd be one sick April Fools. And I don't mean the 'good' kind of 'sick' either

[The Dirt Gang]

This makes me think VEI should release actually t-shirts of Bloodshots shirt and Archer's shirt. Maybe Bloodshot's could be "embossed" and say "Feel the Blood!"

[Knightt]

I liked this issue pretty well. Finally, very decent art even if I am just waiting for this Harbinger War to finally come to an ending. I am glad that at least the Harbinger Wars occurance just didnt happen outside the regular issues. I think the timing of me getting my issues from DCBS, offset my 'reading flow' so this is seeming to drag on but at least the continuity is solid.

I really enjoyed the art in this issue. The cartoony aspect that has been the mainstay since issue #1 didn't set too well with me and this issue was gritty and more realistic. I wish that Bloodshot wasn't being totally ripped apart in every issue. Let him take a few rounds to the torso or shoulder and Charlie Mike* but the Wolverine-obliteration is getting old and gruesome to the point of... pointless. (IMO)

Otherwise, it was a really good book. I hope they keep it up and I am REALLY looking forward to the inclusion of the HARD Corps into the Bloodshot title.



*Charlie Mike = Continue Mission

[Knightt]

WHERE DOES HE KEEP GETTING THE BLACK TSHIRTS WITH THE RED CIRCLE FROM??

I don't know but I'd buy one for every day of the week if I could !!

Damn sckrate...

[Knightt]

Did anyone else think Bloodshot was going to snack on Kuretich and his men before they showed the cows?

YES!!! It would have been so much better if he had eaten those guys and then come across the cows. Talk about your missed opportunity!

WORD !!

[Shadowman99]

...I wish that Bloodshot wasn't being totally ripped apart in every issue. Let him take a few rounds to the torso or shoulder and Charlie Mike* but the Wolverine-obliteration is getting old and gruesome to the point of... pointless.

I'm not really into gore for the sake of gore, but for some reason I find it really entertaining seeing how far Bloodshot has to be knocked down before he manages to get up again... I guess it's because you *know* that no matter what hits him, he'll still manage to get up again and do what he has to do

So I thought the face ripped off, no limbs Bloodshot was awesome! After seeing him recovering in the back of the van and then emerging a short while later all totally healed up and ready to kick *SQUEE* again... I wish that 'Guiles Theme' from Street Fighter could have played out of the comic when I read that panel!

(For those that may not know 'Guiles Theme' or that it "goes with everything": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m2sqjEQrEA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )