What Valiant book would you not want to return?

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:46 pm

Let's see...I think H.Corps would not be bad, because if there is no HC, then no PsiLords. I like this, although I enjoyed H.A.R.D Corps. I think that a new VU should consist of Solar, Magnus, Harbinger, Rai/Bloodshot, XO, Shadowman, EW/A&A, Dr. Mirage and maybe Ninjak or something new. I think that H.Corps-a great book-is not essential. Neither is Turok, or Secret Weapons, nor Psilords. There is no need for Timewalker or Geomancer or Visitor. Punx simply was not on the radar.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:56 pm

jedimarley wrote:How about we read it before we make fun of it.

He can do so much better things with his money that buy a VH 2 comic...

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:39 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
jedimarley wrote:How about we read it before we make fun of it.
He can do so much better things with his money that buy a VH 2 comic...

Some of us would have hooked him up with a set for free.

But since you made up his mind for him...............

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:42 pm

You might as well hook him up with some Highlander DVDs instead. He'd get more out of them than from the Eternal Warriors comics.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:24 pm

Incorporating all of the brothers in one book worked for me, but like I've said before Gilad was not represented well at all. A premise that the new VU could correct in a flash by making him less like a bloodthirsty villain. I don't see a problem with the Eternal Warriors concept myself. If the sales warrant it expand A&A and Timewalker to some mini-series or specials later on.

k_c_collectibles · Post by **k_c_collectibles** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:26 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:Incorporating all of the brothers in one book worked for me, but like I've said before Gilad was not represented well at all. A premise that the new VU could correct in a flash by making him less like a bloodthirsty villain. I don't see a problem with the Eternal Warriors concept myself. If the sales warrant it expand A&A and Timewalker to some mini-series or specials later on.

I TOTALLY agree with that!

The only way I would want it any different is if BWS wanted to work on Archer & Armstrong again. Than I would be VERY happy!!!

Chris

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:27 pm

The problem with the premise of mixing up the two-three concepts together is that they're no story there.

Gilad had his story, Aram had his story, and Ivar had his story.

Together they don't have a story worth telling, so at best you end up with an anthology series that alternates between them (i.e. one issue for Gilad, two issues for Aram, one issue for Ivar, three issues with the three together, etc, etc, etc), which, to me, isn't appealing.

I don't want to read three or four Gilad stories a year, I'd rather have 12 EW stories, 12 A&A stories, and 12 Ivar stories.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:28 pm

k_c_collectibles wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Incorporating all of the brothers in one book worked for me, but like I've said before Gilad was not represented well at all. A premise that the new VU could correct in a flash by making him less like a bloodthirsty villain. I don't see a problem with the Eternal Warriors concept myself. If the sales warrant it expand A&A and Timewalker to some mini-series or specials later on.
I TOTALLY agree with that!

The only way I would want it any different is if BWS wanted to work on Archer & Armstrong again. Than I would be VERY happy!!!

Chris

Yeah, if something like that happens I could see A&A going with their own monthly title.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:33 pm

jedimarley wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
jedimarley wrote:How about we read it before we make fun of it.
He can do so much better things with his money that buy a VH 2 comic...
Some of us would have hooked him up with a set for free.

But since you made up his mind for him...............

for the record.... I have read some Acclaim stuff, it was different, but I still liked most of it.

I will want to get the acclaim stuff, (I have already printed of the checkllist from the site) I am hoping to get to a few LCSs this summer to see what they might have.

The Pigs in Space pic had nothing to do with the Eternal Warriors book, but with the space ship comment. (Pigs is space was the first thing I thought about in conjunction with space ships..... what does that say about me?)

k_c_collectibles · Post by **k_c_collectibles** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:33 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:The problem with the premise of mixing up the two-three concepts together is that they're no story there.

Gilad had his story, Aram had his story, and Ivar had his story.

Together they don't have a story worth telling, so at best you end up with an anthology series that alternates between them (i.e. one issue for Gilad, two issues for Aram, one issue for Ivar, three issues with the three together, etc, etc, etc), which, to me, isn't appealing.

I don't want to read three or four Gilad stories a year, I'd rather have 12 EW stories, 12 A&A stories, and 12 Ivar stories.

You could fix that with 3 mini-stories (betwen 6 and 8 pages each) about each character that continue each month. Once in a while maybe you would have multiple brothers in the same story being told and make the story longer that month (16 or 24 pages instead of 8 or so).

Just my thought of how you can get a monthly fix of all 3 brothers in one book with them not being together in the same story all the time.

Chris

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:36 pm

k_c_collectibles wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:The problem with the premise of mixing up the two-three concepts together is that they're no story there.

Gilad had his story, Aram had his story, and Ivar had his story.

Together they don't have a story worth telling, so at best you end up with an anthology series that alternates between them (i.e. one issue for Gilad, two issues for Aram, one issue for Ivar, three issues with the three together, etc, etc, etc), which, to me, isn't appealing.

I don't want to read three or four Gilad stories a year, I'd rather have 12 EW stories, 12 A&A stories, and 12 Ivar stories.
You could fix that with 3 mini-stories (betwen 6 and 8 pages each) about each character that continue each month. Once in a while maybe you would have multiple brothers in the same story being told and make the story longer that month (16 or 24 pages instead of 8 or so).

Just my thought of how you can get a monthly fix of all 3 brothers in one book with them not being together in the same story all the time.

Chris

It's an idea, though I'd much rather have 24 page stories as opposed to just 6 or 8.

I just don't see why the concepts have to be combined into one comic just because the characters are related.

What if a writer decided that Ivar isn't really an Anni-Padda?

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:32 pm

What about using the Flip Book design to drop in related stories for characters who don't necessarily need a series.. or sharing a book. For example:

XO 5 is also TimeWalker 1..

Then 3 months later EW 8 is Timewalker 2..

Or 3 mnths later Harbinger is Timewlaker 10.. then next month XO 9 is Timewalker 3..

You could do all sorts of future planning with Timewalker and yet not make it a monthly title. If the runs start getting low, just kill it for a while and then start it back up when a good writer has an arch.

I saw get rid of Secret Weapons.. I like the team book approach when its a good story but you can do that by just running the story through the current titles.

I like 8 core titles.

I liked the Blood of Heroes idea.. I also didn't mind the idea of having several titles in the future..Magnus and Rai.. although I think that maybe Psi Lords were stuck in there to create some more reading for readers that wanted more reading material about that time/era/story.

IMHO--->

Armories: Not necessary
Secret Weapons: Not necessary
TimeWalker: Not necessary
Visitor: Not necessary
HARD Corps: Not necessary
Psi Lords: Not necessary
Dr. Mirage: Not necessary
GeoMancer: Not necessary
Turok: Not necessary

With 8-10 books, people could be Valiant ONLY readers.. If its that good, then thats where I might be

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:44 pm

i could see that
keeping it down to 8 core books will help make it attainable for everyone.
and Id have to have eternal warrior its like highlander valiant style

manningfan · Post by **manningfan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:22 pm

k_c_collectibles wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Incorporating all of the brothers in one book worked for me, but like I've said before Gilad was not represented well at all. A premise that the new VU could correct in a flash by making him less like a bloodthirsty villain. I don't see a problem with the Eternal Warriors concept myself. If the sales warrant it expand A&A and Timewalker to some mini-series or specials later on.
I TOTALLY agree with that!

The only way I would want it any different is if BWS wanted to work on Archer & Armstrong again. Than I would be VERY happy!!!

Chris

Is Barry even interrested in comics these days? The only stuff I ever see from him anymore are art books, and that's it. Last I heard, he was being typical BWS and refuseing to sign Valiant and Marvel books he worked on, has this changed?

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:10 am

IanAlexavier wrote:What about using the Flip Book design to drop in related stories for characters who don't necessarily need a series.. or sharing a book. For example:

XO 5 is also TimeWalker 1..

Then 3 months later EW 8 is Timewalker 2..

Or 3 mnths later Harbinger is Timewlaker 10.. then next month XO 9 is Timewalker 3..

You could do all sorts of future planning with Timewalker and yet not make it a monthly title. If the runs start getting low, just kill it for a while and then start it back up when a good writer has an arch.

I saw get rid of Secret Weapons.. I like the team book approach when its a good story but you can do that by just running the story through the current titles.

I like 8 core titles.

I liked the Blood of Heroes idea.. I also didn't mind the idea of having several titles in the future..Magnus and Rai.. although I think that maybe Psi Lords were stuck in there to create some more reading for readers that wanted more reading material about that time/era/story.

IMHO--->

Armories: Not necessary
Secret Weapons: Not necessary
TimeWalker: Not necessary
Visitor: Not necessary
HARD Corps: Not necessary
Psi Lords: Not necessary
Dr. Mirage: Not necessary
GeoMancer: Not necessary
Turok: Not necessary

With 8-10 books, people could be Valiant ONLY readers.. If its that good, then thats where I might be

Didn't Ultraverse also try the flip book approach with ongoing stories, and I don't know how successful it was. I like the idea in principle as I can see myself getting all of the books, but if someone is following only 1 or 2 books, and a character they are following is being flipped around all the titles, they may begrudge having to do so and so sales may actually be hurt since the cost of producing the flip book will need to incorporate two audiences, one of which may begrudge effectively paying more to read about the flipped character. In addition LCS retailers who are space conscious may not promote the flipped side as it were.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:26 am

How about re-naming this???

-slym

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:27 am

I thought we were talking about who NOT to bring back... my apologies.

-slym

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:30 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:Rai.

-slym

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:30 am

Ryan wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Rai.
Hell yeah. Energy weapon Rai, not the Blood of Heroes version (IMO).

YES!!!

-slym (ignore his av - Tohru was the best!)

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:34 am

oh yes, yes,.. books to bring back.. not HOW to bring them back..

Books to bring back..

Titles that we think are important...

How to incorporate secondary titles...

Flipbook/sharing issues convorsation...

Yes, we got off track)

manningfan · Post by **manningfan** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:07 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:oh yes, yes,.. books to bring back.. not HOW to bring them back..

Books to bring back..

Titles that we think are important...

How to incorporate secondary titles...

Flipbook/sharing issues convorsation...

Yes, we got off track)

Just a little. Does anyone know an answer to my question about BWS?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:05 pm

manningfan wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:oh yes, yes,.. books to bring back.. not HOW to bring them back..

Books to bring back..

Titles that we think are important...

How to incorporate secondary titles...

Flipbook/sharing issues convorsation...

Yes, we got off track)

Just a little. Does anyone know an answer to my question about BWS?

Nothing has changed with Barry's attitude as far as I know. Especially after the fiasco with the unspeakable one and a certain Valiant fan project.

b3studios · Post by **b3studios** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:21 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
manningfan wrote:
Just a little. Does anyone know an answer to my question about BWS?
Nothing has changed with Barry's attitude as far as I know. Especially after the fiasco with the unspeakable one and a certain Valiant fan project.

what am I missing here, I was gone for a long time?

schi0249 · Post by **schi0249** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:27 pm

I liked parts of HARD Corps and Secret Weapons. For me the three titles I least enjoyed were PSI Lords, Geomancer, and Visitor. Sting belongs in Harbinger. I stopped reading that title after #25. Geomancer and Secret Weapons could be done as 1 book. Kind of like how it was early one.

mavros · Post by **mavros** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:44 pm

I liked Hard Corps as it was another coporation fighting against Harada. But I think for the beginning, Hard Corps would be better suited as supporting characters and not have their own books. Same thing with Armorines (the government would have to try to duplicate some of that alien technology).

Only thing I hope they don't do is bring back Ivar. Hated the idea of the character and it was like the first step away from what I liked about Pre-Unity... tight continuity. You've got somebody being a brother and never mentioned by Aram or Gilad prior to his introduction. He doesn't really fit into the dynamic between the two. In my opinion

For me, time travel shouldn't happen in the Valiant Universe. It's like the idea of dead is dead.