Quantum and Woody? Is it worth reading?

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:57 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:I'll buy that. It's as believable as any other comic book explanation. Magneto controls magnetism with his mind.
It's slightly more belivable than a parchment of paper that lets a goat travel between universes...
But... it's the Anywhen Fold.

Makes as much sense as time arcs to me. Just about as much suspension of disbelief.

Time arcs are just as magical.
Not really.

In the VU, time arcs are considered a natural aspect of nature, like rain or wind, that was the excuse for their existence.

There is nothing magical about them at all, unlike the fold, which is a magic piece of paper.

Yes, but in real world science and the world outside my window, wormholes like that that randomly appear are about as real as the Cucuy or the Easter Bunny.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:59 pm

Chiclo wrote:Yes, but in real world science and the world outside my window, wormholes like that that randomly appear are about as real as the Cucuy or the Easter Bunny.

In the world outside our window we have black holes, quarks (sp?), nebulas, and countless other spatial phenomena.

A time arc is like that, except that it happens in nature instead of in space.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:03 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:Yes, but in real world science and the world outside my window, wormholes like that that randomly appear are about as real as the Cucuy or the Easter Bunny.
In the world outside our window we have black holes, quarks (sp?), nebulas, and countless other spatial phenomena.

A time arc is like that, except that it happens in nature instead of in space.

Yes, but there is science behind black holes, quarks (you got the spelling right), nebulae (an admittedly strange plural) and countless other spatial phenomena. There are mathematical rules backing each of these occurrences.

Where's the math on the time arcs? Obviously they are wormholes... but those are fantasies like on Star Trek and the Power Rangers.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:05 pm

Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:Yes, but in real world science and the world outside my window, wormholes like that that randomly appear are about as real as the Cucuy or the Easter Bunny.
In the world outside our window we have black holes, quarks (sp?), nebulas, and countless other spatial phenomena.

A time arc is like that, except that it happens in nature instead of in space.
Yes, but there is science behind black holes, quarks (you got the spelling right), nebulae (an admittedly strange plural) and countless other spatial phenomena. There are mathematical rules backing each of these occurrences.

Where's the math on the time arcs? Obviously they are wormholes... but those are fantasies like on Star Trek and the Power Rangers.

Just because the math on the time arcs hasn't been seen, it doesn't mean that a writer couldn't explain it later, nor does it mean that there is not a science behind it.

What's been said so far (that they occur in nature) is good enough to distance it from a magic parchment.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:08 pm

I'm putting time arcs on the same level as alchemy.

I am sure that a good comic book writer can explain alchemy too.

Perhaps the Anywhen Fold is a part of the Philosopher's Stone.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:09 pm

Chiclo wrote:I'm putting time arcs on the same level as alchemy.

I am sure that a good comic book writer can explain alchemy too.

Perhaps the Anywhen Fold is a part of the Philosopher's Stone.

I don't recall any indication of that.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:34 pm

Vincent's teleportation actually has more scientific explanation than either time arcs or Aram's satchel. I posted that a few months ago...

BoH

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:35 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:Vincent's teleportation actually has more scientific explanation than either time arcs or Aram's satchel. I posted that a few months ago...

BoH

You explained the science behind a magic piece of paper?

Impressive.

The most impressive aspect must be the ability to travel into comic books and interact with the Legion, heh.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:35 pm

siren3-4 wrote:
Zero wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:.... so, if you're looking for a comic published by VALIANT that is not a VALIANT comic, this is for you
waitaminute... A comic published by Valiant IS a Valiant comic. Just because you wish otherwise doesn't change reality.
Reality is not absolute . . .

Depends on what the definition of IS is.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:40 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:You explained the science behind a magic piece of paper?

Impressive.

The most impressive aspect must be the ability to travel into comic books and interact with the Legion, heh.

Not me. A fan of Priest's. They just included it in the funnybooks and I posted a scan.

Again, it's not one bit different than Aram's satchel, now, is it?

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:41 pm

Aram's satchel! There's another good one.

Why would he have to explain the enchantment behind the Anywhen fold for his claim that it was more believable than time arcs or a magic bag of goodies to be valid?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:41 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:You explained the science behind a magic piece of paper?

Impressive.

The most impressive aspect must be the ability to travel into comic books and interact with the Legion, heh.
Not me. A fan of Priest's. They just included it in the funnybooks and I posted a scan.

Again, it's not one bit different than Aram's satchel, now, is it?

Nope, or the mask of shadows, or Andromeda being a Goddess.... but it is quite different from a time arc.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:42 pm

Chiclo wrote:Aram's satchel! There's another good one.

Why would he have to explain the enchantment behind the Anywhen fold for his claim that it was more believable than time arcs or a magic bag of goodies to be valid?

Time arcs aren't magic-based, so they have nothing in common with the satchel.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:42 pm

BTW,

We got a goat AND LSH reference in the same post. Get your final words in quickly, gents. I sense the fist of MOTA'S LAW about to come crashing down.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:44 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:Aram's satchel! There's another good one.

Why would he have to explain the enchantment behind the Anywhen fold for his claim that it was more believable than time arcs or a magic bag of goodies to be valid?
Time arcs aren't magic-based, so they have nothing in common with the satchel.

Really?

What causes them?

I understand they say that they are natural, but wouldn't magic be natural (occur in nature) too? It's all just moving energy, after all.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:45 pm

Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:Aram's satchel! There's another good one.

Why would he have to explain the enchantment behind the Anywhen fold for his claim that it was more believable than time arcs or a magic bag of goodies to be valid?
Time arcs aren't magic-based, so they have nothing in common with the satchel.
Really?

What causes them?

I understand they say that they are natural, but wouldn't magic be natural (occur in nature) too? It's all just moving energy, after all.

Didn't we just go through this?

Just because the math on the time arcs hasn't been seen, it doesn't mean that a writer couldn't explain it later, nor does it mean that there is not a science behind it.

What's been said so far (that they occur in nature) is good enough to distance it from a magic parchment.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:48 pm

I just got this from Jim Shooter

Dear Mike,

All Harbinger powers, all super powers, for that matter, while I ran VALIANT, were powers of the mind. No physical weirdness, like, say, wings, or stretching or turning into ice--just the ability to move energy, expressed in different ways. No time to explain in detaiil, sorry.

Be well,

Jim

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:51 pm

You wrote Shooter over this?

Wow.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:52 pm

Chiclo wrote:You wrote Shooter over this?

Wow.

Dude, that's not the astonishing part.

He replied... that's the astonishing part, lol

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:27 pm

Jim Shooter. Answered an Email. Quickly. This. Is astonishing.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:29 pm

xodacia81 wrote:Jim Shooter. Answered an Email. Quickly. This. Is astonishing.

I had to email Shooter for Chiclo's peace of mind. He's been wondering how Faith can fly for months, and he deseved a definitive answer. (

)

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:35 pm

Shooter is not absolute . . .

(is in theme mode)

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:40 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:How Faith flies was not explained in detail, other than to say that everyone's powers in Harbinger are based on the mind.

Jim Shooter wrote:All Harbinger powers, all super powers, for that matter, while I ran VALIANT, were powers of the mind. No physical weirdness, like, say, wings, or stretching or turning into ice--just the ability to move energy, expressed in different ways. No time to explain in detaiil, sorry.

Be well,

Jim

Heh, I was dead-on.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:41 pm

siren3-4 wrote:Shooter is not absolute . . .

(is in theme mode)

You're like Rotwak.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:59 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:Jim Shooter. Answered an Email. Quickly. This. Is astonishing.
I had to email Shooter for Chiclo's peace of mind. He's been wondering how Faith can fly for months, and he deseved a definitive answer. ( )

Faith can fly for months?