Bloodshot 2004

greg · Post by **greg** » Sat May 08, 2004 3:51 pm

VanHook wrote:If not late this evening PST, then tomorrow or after 8:00 PST Monday. Sorry, but my day schedule's just pretty full.

It might need to be Monday...
Today probably won't allow enough people to log in and plan to take part...
Tomorrow as Mother's Day is probably a "distraction" for most...
Let's shoot for Monday night at 8:00pm PST... 11:00pm Eastern, etc.

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Sat May 08, 2004 3:54 pm

Much thanks, Kevin. I was just trying to incorporate some of your plot questions into the mix. Trying to build a story that wasn't too complex, which also made a good visual story. It would also create a new Valiant evil super-being: The Harbinger of Doom.

I guess I should have waited before posting my plot, but there isn't anything chisled in stone right now. It's just an idea.

I just got excited

& had to write something.

I know I speak for all of us when I say that we look forward to your continued input & editorial direction. Best regards---Steve G

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat May 08, 2004 3:57 pm

Knightt_333 wrote:I looked for ya... Sure, why not... the Solar character was the lamest that I have read so far IN THE END. It started out GREAT but I was sorely disappointed in the ending books.

Yeah, I know I told you I wasn't interested in writing but that's because I'm not all that interested in writing about Bloodshot

But I'd love to do a Solar mini series or something.

It would take place in the present but pick up from the end of Solar #60.

I wouldn't ignore anything, I'd even address his VH 2 apperances.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat May 08, 2004 4:10 pm

Heh.

Well, if I'm allowed to be part of it, I'd like to first address the cliffhangers and then do stories that are inspired by Shooter's early Solar.

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Sat May 08, 2004 4:14 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:Heh.

Well, if I'm allowed to be part of it, I'd like to first address the cliffhangers and then do stories that are inspired by Shooter's early Solar.

That would rock if you wrap up the cliffhangers and do pre-unity solar

*Had already peed his pants...TWICE!*

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat May 08, 2004 7:56 pm

Urgh... I have nothing against gays but yeah, what the hell was Jurgens' thinking?

A male villain that's motivated not by world conquest or getting even with those that mocked him but with the idea of having sex with a male super hero.

It's an original motivation, I'll give him that, but the execution was horrible.

And things got worse after Jurgens' left, there was no direction, no rhyme nor reason to what was happening, just filler.

This happened across the whole line, it felt like the writers were trying to compensate for the lack of super villains in the VALIANT Universe so they spend those last few months introducing super villain after super villain.

It was overkill.

The cliffhaner I was refering to was the end of issue 60, in which Solar merged with a star.

The comic doesn't say, but now that I've had time to consider the art, the star Solar merged with was the sun from the other Earth's solar system.

He merged with it to save that world.

I'd like to pick the story from that point and move forward.

It would take place today and show what happened with the supporting characters after Phil left Earth.

I'd also like to use Carmen Mirage and her son. Hwen, in my stories, would have died back in 99 after Jack got rid of the Darque power and killed Master Darque.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Sat May 08, 2004 8:33 pm

sonicdan wrote:I have some moderate drawing skills so I hope to be able to contribute in some capacity.
DAN

You're too modest, by far, man. You'd BETTER be signing on board, chum! It wouldn't be the same without you!

BoH (ant'ny)

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Sat May 08, 2004 8:38 pm

Ok, first I would like to say how pleased I am that so many way cool dudes have thrown their hat into the ring.

Next, I must comment on the latest page. Gilad, who has been sweating profusley, is missing an arm, and is obviously going through alot of trauma, would not be the one who remains conscious after beign blown off a bridge. Bloodshot would, since he is in what appears to be perfect health.

My suggestion would be for Michael to be the one who drags Gil out of the water. However, Gil is only faking unsciousness, and when they get to shore, he whips the gun out again, while Michael looks at the incoming helicopter.

Another thing. Would the later-more cynical-Harada really be flying in a helicopter? If he would, OK, but it seems kind of wierd for him to.

And I agree that only the tomost part of the column, down to maybe the middle, on the bridge would be destroyed. Big explosion, but I doubt even for Harada that it would take out the bridge. Unless he fired two.

Knightt 333: Question. When Harada fires the missile, what reflection are we seeing? Is it off Bloodshot eye?

Anyway, thats my 2 cents. I wouldn't post so much at once, but theres alot to say.

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Sat May 08, 2004 8:50 pm

oh yeah, I had another question. Has anyone completed pages 1 or 2? if so, how come they haven't been posted?

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Sat May 08, 2004 8:59 pm

drawn. like, some people might be done with page 1, and im just wondering why they haven't posted here? its possible they have no scanner/wanna see the others/whatever.

Could each writer post what the panels look like and what the angle is. so, instead of 'panel 1: jim jumped off the cliff' post 'Panel 1: vertical panel, from the front of the cliff, jim jumping towards us' more like that. so we know what the view is, and so we don't draw a horizontal panel, messing us up. you know what i mean. i hope. power to the posters!

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Sat May 08, 2004 9:12 pm

i agree. i just finished writing all of Steve Gs ideas. great ideas, but some flaws. i really seriously doubt that darque would just give harada any necro drug. i suggest that, gilad and bloodshot have a small fight, ending with gilad collapsing from exhaustion. then the police/special agents/whoever takes gilad for observation and treatment. after this, bloodshot decides to go after harada. because he is now going after harada, he calls in the hard corps(who has remained hidden for years). harada, has secretly formed a small-very shakey( they dont really trust eachother)-alliance. harada brings darque gils severed arm. darque creates a clone that harada can control(much like he did with shadowman during chaos effect, with jacks skin). now this fake gil, goes and calls in some 'favors'/ like he gets some friends, doesn't let them know he's fake(duh) and they go to stop bloodshot(who he says is going through a 'rampage' relapse). just some ideas.

PAGE TWO

PANEL ONE.
While he hasn’t replaced his katana in its scabbard, Bloodshot has lowered it to a non-threatening position. His internal turmoil between duty and friendship is evident on his face.

BLOODSHOT: Gilad. I--

NARRATION: Just do your duty, here. Just as he would if positions were reversed.

PANEL TWO.
Thin, horizontal panel. Cut to TOM MORGAN, surrounded by a platoon of New York’s finest, dressed in full riot gear. Morgan is in a button down short-sleeved shirt (it’s July in NYC, after all). There’s a hint of barricades and flashing lights atop squad cars. Morgan’s wearing a two-way radio earpiece, which squawks to life.

EARPIECE: Let ‘em know he’s coming in peacefully, Tom. No accidents.

MORGAN: I understand, Lazarus. Will do.

PANEL THREE.
Bloodshot stands directly behind Gilad and has placed his left hand (in deference to Gil’s injury) on Gil’s shoulder.

BLOODSHOT: Let’s go, Abrams. You’ll get your--

PANELS FOUR THRU SIX.
3 box panels, all in a row. Action sequence from in front of Gilad. Gil moves so fast that Bloodshot is in the same position in all 3 panels. Gilad, though, is a blur of motion, missing wing and all. With his left hand, he pulls a gun out of his jacket [FOUR] (hey, NYC ain’t got nothing on Mesopotamia!) and pivots [FIVE], aiming it directly at Bloodshot’s face [SIX] (BLOODSHOT #46 alluded a shot through the eye and into the brain might be fatal).

NARRATION: What?

PANEL SEVEN.
We see the new face-off from the side, Bloodshot on the reader’s left, Gil on the right. Bloodshot drops into a defensive stance, his katana now held slightly back and above (similar to holding a baseball bat), futile though it might be. He knows all too well what Gilad’s capable of. Any sudden moves and Gilad’ll open fire.

NARRATION: His meditating was a deliberate ruse. With his pulse rate that low, I never suspected a thing.

NARRATION: Stupid--

PANEL EIGHT.
Bloodshot’s POV. He’s staring down the barrel (force the perspective a bit to make it look like a portable cannon. Gil can handle the recoil on anything, anyway) and past it at Gilad’s face. Gil looks determined--teeth gritted, sweat on his brow from the pain--but completely capable of pulling the trigger and wasting his best friend, apparently the difference between survival and duty.

NARRATION: --Bringing a sword to a gunfight.

BoH

what are the angles for the first and third panels? how big are they? is the third panel in the same row as 4-6? power to the posters!

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat May 08, 2004 9:42 pm

I noticed that you mentioned Darque's still active in your story.

I'd like mine to take place in the 2004 that would be had VALIANT not stopped. That means Jack and Darque died in 99 and there's no more Darque power.

I'd like to explore that world.

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Sat May 08, 2004 9:44 pm

hmm, i had thought of that. i was expanding and reforming Steve Gs ideas. Well, that certainly would change things. Comments anyone?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat May 08, 2004 9:46 pm

Darque Power in a bottle.

Just use whatever renmants there might of the Darque Power in the cementary in New Orleans that Darque used as a giant storage battery during Chaos Effect.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat May 08, 2004 9:55 pm

The renmants of that energy that Darque put away during Chaos could become a new designer drug that gives people the ultimate high.

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Sat May 08, 2004 10:06 pm

i doubt harada would do anything with a drug. it just seems so out of character for him.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat May 08, 2004 10:34 pm

Then have it be someone else.

A rogue Harbinger employee Harada has to punish later.

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Sat May 08, 2004 10:36 pm

i forgot what the drug was for in the first place.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat May 08, 2004 10:38 pm

Jaknife wrote:i forgot what the drug was for in the first place.

Lol. I can't remember either, lol.

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Sun May 09, 2004 12:08 am

My plotline was just a rough outline of ideas. I never said Darque was alive. I said Harada made a hybrid formula of a zombie-control drug which originated from Master Darque, & Harada stole. It was used to help control Gilad.

It doesn't have to be anything related to Darque, though, like it could be a specially formulated mind control drug that Harada found out about by torturing a Geomancer to discover Gilad's weaknesses.

Solar could be brought in to ultimately destroy the Harbinger of Doom, after it has wrought havoc (via some vibrant & dynamic splash pages).

I'm sure Kevin will have a good sense of direction on this, so let's see what he brings up. OK?---Steve G

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun May 09, 2004 1:19 am

My vote's for Pete Stanchek to be the Harbinger of Doom.

We should take as many of the characters as we can back to their roots.

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Sun May 09, 2004 1:38 pm

maybe. however, with him already having been the harbinger, it would seem kinda sad for him to fall under haradas control again. IMHO.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun May 09, 2004 1:41 pm

Jaknife wrote:maybe. however, with him already having been the harbinger, it would seem kinda sad for him to fall under haradas control again. IMHO.

Well, the Harbinger of Doom doesn't have to be under Harada's control, does he?

I just think that it be nice to take the concept of Harbinger back to what it was instead of keep it as an X-Men clone.

I think that had Shooter's Harbinger continued, we would have seen more connections to religion.

Perlham's VH 2 Harbinger had a great start. It sucked that the mini never came out.

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Sun May 09, 2004 1:49 pm

maybe some powerful freak from the lost land comes. in order to find out where the heck he is, he joins harada. harada uses the dudes power for his own means. that way he controls him, cuz he doesn't know better.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun May 09, 2004 1:53 pm

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