HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING - Recolored Pages - SNEAK PREVIEW

[manningfan]

And the beat goes on. Valiant has to compete with other companies than just Marvel and DC, When you look at the fact that a typical comic book is $4.00 these days, if they go back to a style that is considered "Weak" or "Old School" it would be company suicide. They have to compete with companies like IDW and Image, if you like those companies or not. To the main comic collector groups out there Valiant will be the new kid on the block or that crappy company with all those twenty five cent bin books. If Valiant does not compete to that level, they will be proving the naysayers right. I hate to say that as most of you are more than likely hateing to hear it but it is the truth. In order for Vakiant to be successful they have to be at the same level lookwise as everyone else. Hopefully they will make the dedicated fans from the past and a new set of curious fans happy as well.

[ManofTheAtom]

They have to compete with companies like IDW.

I'd be perfectly ok with paying $3.99 for a VALIANT comic if they offered the same kind of quality as IDW's comics (I'd be happier if they could offer that kind of quality for $2.50...).

[betterthanezra]

And the beat goes on. Valiant has to compete with other companies than just Marvel and DC, When you look at the fact that a typical comic book is $4.00 these days, if they go back to a style that is considered "Weak" or "Old School" it would be company suicide. They have to compete with companies like IDW and Image, if you like those companies or not. To the main comic collector groups out there Valiant will be the new kid on the block or that crappy company with all those twenty five cent bin books. If Valiant does not compete to that level, they will be proving the naysayers right. I hate to say that as most of you are more than likely hateing to hear it but it is the truth. In order for Vakiant to be successful they have to be at the same level lookwise as everyone else. Hopefully they will make the dedicated fans from the past and a new set of curious fans happy as well.

I think most of us can agree that quality in the industry is at an all time high...So are cover prices. If Valiant Entertainment can put out a quality product thats at a competitive price thats all were asking for...

-Brian

[jedimarley]

I think most of us can agree that quality in the industry is at an all time high...

"All time high"???????????????

Late books?

Poor writing????

The resurgence of the variant covers??

This is the quality you speak of????

[ManofTheAtom]

I think most of us can agree that quality in the industry is at an all time high...

"All time high"???????????????

Late books?

Poor writing????

The resurgence of the variant covers??

This is the quality you speak of????

I think he means production values, not content.

[betterthanezra]

I think most of us can agree that quality in the industry is at an all time high...

"All time high"???????????????

Late books?

Poor writing????

The resurgence of the variant covers??

This is the quality you speak of????

Not counting THOSE things I mean

-Brian

[Chiclo]

I think most of us can agree that quality in the industry is at an all time high...

"All time high"???????????????

Late books?

Poor writing????

The resurgence of the variant covers??

This is the quality you speak of????

Maybe he was listening to Rita Coolidge or watching *SQUEE*.

[jedimarley]

I think most of us can agree that quality in the industry is at an all time high...

"All time high"???????????????

Late books?

Poor writing????

The resurgence of the variant covers??

This is the quality you speak of????

Not counting THOSE things I mean

-Brian

All Dino has to do is the opposite of Zoom Suite and he'll succeed.

[betterthanezra]

I think most of us can agree that quality in the industry is at an all time high...

"All time high"???????????????

Late books?

Poor writing????

The resurgence of the variant covers??

This is the quality you speak of????

I think he means production values, not content.

-Brian

[Second_Death]

The resurgence of the variant covers??

You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue.

[ManofTheAtom]

The resurgence of the variant covers??

You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue.

For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.

DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League.

[siren3-4]

[whovianone]

The resurgence of the variant covers??

You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue.

Yes, I'm afraid so.

Many books have as many as 10 variants. IDW is pretty bad abuot it. But, Avatar puts out as many as 12 for each book. Different artists, varying ratios, and some have leather, foil, holograms, gold, etc. And it's the same content!!!!

[siren3-4]

The resurgence of the variant covers??

You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue.

Yes, I'm afraid so.

Many books have as many as 10 variants. IDW is pretty bad abuot it. But, Avatar puts out as many as 12 for each book. Different artists, varying ratios, and some have leather, foil, holograms, gold, etc. And it's the same content!!!!

You've gone a little overbaoard . . . Now you're just being picky . . . .

[whovianone]

The resurgence of the variant covers??

You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue.

Yes, I'm afraid so.

Many books have as many as 10 variants. IDW is pretty bad abuot it. But, Avatar puts out as many as 12 for each book. Different artists, varying ratios, and some have leather, foil, holograms, gold, etc. And it's the same content!!!!

You've gone a little overbaoard . . . Now you're just being picky . . . .

Touche'

[Donovan]

Just wanted to weigh in - those preview pages are better than I could have hoped for.

I can't wait to see the entire book!

[jmpet]

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[leonmallett]

>I think part of the problem which some people may be having with the new colors isn't really about the colors at all, but at seeing their memories/experiences of the original Valiant U. change...Me, I'm supporting it.<

Seeing page one reminded me of when I visited Atomic Paintbrush and they were so proud to show me how they can color a book in three days. I looked at the thing and it sucked. Then I interviewed the colorists and half of them were fired watercolorists and the other half were computer geeks. You all remember late VH1 comics- the coloring sucked.

Now I don't expect them to reprint the originals (and as you said, they can't because they don't have them), but I expected the next level of watercoloring technology- not the same cartooney whitewash-coloring as every other comic book these days.

For example. Remember the early 90's when CGI first came out? Sure it was CGI but it looked cheesy- Lawnmower Man, Lord of Illusion, etc... Now look at LOTR and this is how CGI should be done- it should look real.

Reprinting Harbinger with computer colors only detracts from the book. Now this is perfectly fine if you expect to then come out with something else/something new but none of us have heard this- there is no info on any new comics at all from these guys.

I remember several years ago they were reprinting a Rai TPB and from all I have seen, this Harbinger TPB appears to be nothing more than their attempt to keep their trademarks alive.

BAH!

If it was simply about keeping the trademarks alive, then there wouldn't be the need (and associated cost) of including the new (or is it just never-before-seen?) origin of Harada.

[jedimarley]

>I think part of the problem which some people may be having with the new colors isn't really about the colors at all, but at seeing their memories/experiences of the original Valiant U. change...Me, I'm supporting it.<

Seeing page one reminded me of when I visited Atomic Paintbrush and they were so proud to show me how they can color a book in three days. I looked at the thing and it sucked. Then I interviewed the colorists and half of them were fired watercolorists and the other half were computer geeks. You all remember late VH1 comics- the coloring sucked.

Now I don't expect them to reprint the originals (and as you said, they can't because they don't have them), but I expected the next level of watercoloring technology- not the same cartooney whitewash-coloring as every other comic book these days.

For example. Remember the early 90's when CGI first came out? Sure it was CGI but it looked cheesy- Lawnmower Man, Lord of Illusion, etc... Now look at LOTR and this is how CGI should be done- it should look real.

Reprinting Harbinger with computer colors only detracts from the book. Now this is perfectly fine if you expect to then come out with something else/something new but none of us have heard this- there is no info on any new comics at all from these guys.

I remember several years ago they were reprinting a Rai TPB and from all I have seen, this Harbinger TPB appears to be nothing more than their attempt to keep their trademarks alive.

BAH!

If it was simply about keeping the trademarks alive, then there wouldn't be the need (and associated cost) of including the new (or is it just never-before-seen?) origin of Harada.

Sure there is.

Not many would buy this is if wasn't for the new/unseen story.

[rictor]

Wow, that's crisper than fresh lettuce.

[manningfan]

>I think part of the problem which some people may be having with the new colors isn't really about the colors at all, but at seeing their memories/experiences of the original Valiant U. change...Me, I'm supporting it.<

Seeing page one reminded me of when I visited Atomic Paintbrush and they were so proud to show me how they can color a book in three days. I looked at the thing and it sucked. Then I interviewed the colorists and half of them were fired watercolorists and the other half were computer geeks. You all remember late VH1 comics- the coloring sucked.

Now I don't expect them to reprint the originals (and as you said, they can't because they don't have them), but I expected the next level of watercoloring technology- not the same cartooney whitewash-coloring as every other comic book these days.

For example. Remember the early 90's when CGI first came out? Sure it was CGI but it looked cheesy- Lawnmower Man, Lord of Illusion, etc... Now look at LOTR and this is how CGI should be done- it should look real.

Reprinting Harbinger with computer colors only detracts from the book. Now this is perfectly fine if you expect to then come out with something else/something new but none of us have heard this- there is no info on any new comics at all from these guys.

I remember several years ago they were reprinting a Rai TPB and from all I have seen, this Harbinger TPB appears to be nothing more than their attempt to keep their trademarks alive.

BAH!

If it was simply about keeping the trademarks alive, then there wouldn't be the need (and associated cost) of including the new (or is it just never-before-seen?) origin of Harada.

Sure there is.

Not many would buy this is if wasn't for the new/unseen story.

This is a great point to bring up. I hope that the story is worth the purchase.

As for the Varaint covers comeback, that is the one big thing I think I hate the most about comics these days. I hated them in the mid to late nineties and I hate them now. It is what helped lead to the huge crash before and I hope that it doesn't happen again. Other than that as far as quality in looks and production value, comics in general are at an all time high. I miss the days of seventy five cents though.

[Second_Death]

The resurgence of the variant covers??

You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue.

For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.

DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League.

Oh, well. Guess the industry hasn't learned its lesson yet.

Variants should never be used.................unless it involves nude photos of the cast of Desperate Housewives.

[jedimarley]

The resurgence of the variant covers??

You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue.

For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.

DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League.

Oh, well. Guess the industry hasn't learned its lesson yet.

Variants should never be used.................unless it involves nude photos of the cast of Desperate Housewives.

That's Zoom Suit #4 variant.

[k_c_collectibles]

The resurgence of the variant covers??

You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue.

For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.

DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League.

Oh, well. Guess the industry hasn't learned its lesson yet.

Variants should never be used.................unless it involves nude photos of the cast of Desperate Housewives.

That's Zoom Suit #4 variant.

WOW - another Zoom Suit variant I have to find?

I think Taddeo is a nice guy and all, but he went WAY overboard with his variants! I can see one variant of issue #1 or of special issues once a year or so, but he had multiples of each issue. A bit hard for collectors to keep up with.

Chris

[Second_Death]

The resurgence of the variant covers??

You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue.

For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.

DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League.

Oh, well. Guess the industry hasn't learned its lesson yet.

Variants should never be used.................unless it involves nude photos of the cast of Desperate Housewives.

That's Zoom Suit #4 variant.

Its been done?