Will we ever get the official scoop on who VIP was/were?

[ManofTheAtom]

That said, I would be cool with doing a sort of Urban Legend Addendum, where I present "the case against Dynamic Forces," based on the information you guys have gathered, and at least present the facts, as they were (along with Barrucci's denials, of course) to the public, and let them decide for themselves.

I dunno if that would do any good, but I'd be willing to do it if you're interested.

That works for me. I'd like to see it, thanks

[etos45]

...if I ask a question or get involved in a discussion and see comments that challenge or mock the discussion itself...

...you have found yourself on the ValiantFans message board. I'm not the most vocal member here, but I believe mocking each and every thread is how we do it here.

[thePike]

Howdy folks.

I didn't want anyone to think I was ignoring the request.

First off, I think you guys are likely correct, and that Dynamic and VIP are, if not the same entity, are at least connected in some way.

That said, as an attorney, I've worked with Delaware LLCs in the past, and the situation is about what everyone thinks already - legally, the LLC is basically sealed. And there's really no one to "go to" with the very solid investigative work you guys have done, because everyone who could actually tell you, it would be against their interest to tell you (and in the case of Lovitz, it would actually be unethical for him to tell you). Nick Barrucci can give a definitive no because he knows that, even if he's not telling the truth, we can't prove it.

Delaware practically begs companies to use them for shell LLCs - they get paid for each one of them, and they protect them well, and since the purpose of this LLC is now defunct, there's never going to be a future opportunity for us to see them in action, to see what's what.

As some other poster mentioned, the only way we'd ever prove this (other than anonymous sources) is if someone acted against their own interests, which is pretty unlikely (to the point of near impossibility).

So I wouldn't be able to give this a "true" or a "false" for the column.

That said, I would be cool with doing a sort of Urban Legend Addendum, where I present "the case against Dynamic Forces," based on the information you guys have gathered, and at least present the facts, as they were (along with Barrucci's denials, of course) to the public, and let them decide for themselves.

I dunno if that would do any good, but I'd be willing to do it if you're interested.

Most definitely!

I'm know I'm covinced given the nature of this argument for severly months now. However, it would be nice to see it in writing from an impartial source (extrapolation: NOT newsarama). If nothing else, it could potentially generate some more buzz as well as perhaps motivate someone in the know to say something to the contrary (although unlikely). At the very least it would give us a place to point when people ask and give VEI a little more coverage.

I'd like to see it!

[ManofTheAtom]

It can be like that Superboy article he did.

[ManofTheAtom]

And there's really no one to "go to" with the very solid investigative work you guys have done, because everyone who could actually tell you, it would be against their interest to tell you (and in the case of Lovitz, it would actually be unethical for him to tell you).

As some other poster mentioned, the only way we'd ever prove this (other than anonymous sources) is if someone acted against their own interests, which is pretty unlikely (to the point of near impossibility).

What about Christopher Priest? He knows who they are and he doesn't seem to have any stake in the LLC.

Consider this;

According to Priest, VIP was talking to him about bringing back Quantum & Woody, yet the ashcan they released presented a completely different version of the characters.

What does that mean? That VEI blocked them from using the real versions, that talks with Priest didn't go anywhere, or that they never took place?

[cinlach@aol.com]

cin...always the voice of reason...

if i'm the voice of reason then you all should be very, very afraid.

[cinlach@aol.com]

And there's really no one to "go to" with the very solid investigative work you guys have done, because everyone who could actually tell you, it would be against their interest to tell you (and in the case of Lovitz, it would actually be unethical for him to tell you).

As some other poster mentioned, the only way we'd ever prove this (other than anonymous sources) is if someone acted against their own interests, which is pretty unlikely (to the point of near impossibility).

What about Christopher Priest? He knows who they are and he doesn't seem to have any stake in the LLC.

Consider this;

According to Priest, VIP was talking to him about bringing back Quantum & Woody, yet the ashcan they released presented a completely different version of the characters.

What does that mean? That VEI blocked them from using the real versions, that talks with Priest didn't go anywhere, or that they never took place?

i wondered about that too, unless priest and bright had confirmed what TWT had been telling us all along, that essentially they had a window of opportunity and missed it.

in that case then it makes perfect sense for VIP to go after the trademarks of Q&W just like they'd done with everything else.

[ManofTheAtom]

And there's really no one to "go to" with the very solid investigative work you guys have done, because everyone who could actually tell you, it would be against their interest to tell you (and in the case of Lovitz, it would actually be unethical for him to tell you).

As some other poster mentioned, the only way we'd ever prove this (other than anonymous sources) is if someone acted against their own interests, which is pretty unlikely (to the point of near impossibility).

What about Christopher Priest? He knows who they are and he doesn't seem to have any stake in the LLC.

Consider this;

According to Priest, VIP was talking to him about bringing back Quantum & Woody, yet the ashcan they released presented a completely different version of the characters.

What does that mean? That VEI blocked them from using the real versions, that talks with Priest didn't go anywhere, or that they never took place?

i wondered about that too, unless priest and bright had confirmed what TWT had been telling us all along, that essentially they had a window of opportunity and missed it.

in that case then it makes perfect sense for VIP to go after the trademarks of Q&W just like they'd done with everything else.

Since VIP was out to screw Priest, he wouldn't have any loyalty toward them, so he might reveal who they were.

[depluto]

cin...always the voice of reason...

if i'm the voice of reason then you all should be very, very afraid.

I don't see what the problem was ... I called his thread gay, he called my post gay. It's a sophisticated way of working things out.

[Daniel Jackson]

And there's really no one to "go to" with the very solid investigative work you guys have done, because everyone who could actually tell you, it would be against their interest to tell you (and in the case of Lovitz, it would actually be unethical for him to tell you).

As some other poster mentioned, the only way we'd ever prove this (other than anonymous sources) is if someone acted against their own interests, which is pretty unlikely (to the point of near impossibility).

What about Christopher Priest? He knows who they are and he doesn't seem to have any stake in the LLC.

Consider this;

According to Priest, VIP was talking to him about bringing back Quantum & Woody, yet the ashcan they released presented a completely different version of the characters.

What does that mean? That VEI blocked them from using the real versions, that talks with Priest didn't go anywhere, or that they never took place?

i wondered about that too, unless priest and bright had confirmed what TWT had been telling us all along, that essentially they had a window of opportunity and missed it.

in that case then it makes perfect sense for VIP to go after the trademarks of Q&W just like they'd done with everything else.

Since VIP was out to screw Priest, he wouldn't have any loyalty toward them, so he might reveal who they were.

Did he actually talk with VIP or did he communicate with them through a representative?

[greg]

And there's really no one to "go to" with the very solid investigative work you guys have done, because everyone who could actually tell you, it would be against their interest to tell you (and in the case of Lovitz, it would actually be unethical for him to tell you).

As some other poster mentioned, the only way we'd ever prove this (other than anonymous sources) is if someone acted against their own interests, which is pretty unlikely (to the point of near impossibility).

What about Christopher Priest? He knows who they are and he doesn't seem to have any stake in the LLC.

Consider this;

According to Priest, VIP was talking to him about bringing back Quantum & Woody, yet the ashcan they released presented a completely different version of the characters.

What does that mean? That VEI blocked them from using the real versions, that talks with Priest didn't go anywhere, or that they never took place?

i wondered about that too, unless priest and bright had confirmed what TWT had been telling us all along, that essentially they had a window of opportunity and missed it.

in that case then it makes perfect sense for VIP to go after the trademarks of Q&W just like they'd done with everything else.

Since VIP was out to screw Priest, he wouldn't have any loyalty toward them, so he might reveal who they were.

Did he actually talk with VIP or did he communicate with them through a representative?

It's unlikely that VIP considered themselves super-secretive that early.
What they did was slick, in a bragging rights sort of way... before the auction.

Once they realized that Taddeo wasn't going to control Valiant,
and that all parties were aware of the upcoming battle in court,
VIP had more reason to become "lawyer only".

My guess is that Priest would know exactly who he was talking with.

[Geomancer]

...if I ask a question or get involved in a discussion and see comments that challenge or mock the discussion itself...

...you have found yourself on the ValiantFans message board. I'm not the most vocal member here, but I believe mocking each and every thread is how we do it here.

Then that will give me plenty to respond to.
Thats how I do it.

[Geomancer]

I don't know what you are used to in here. I don't really care. But if I ask a question or get involved in a discussion and see comments that challenge or mock the discussion itself - I will respond the way I have every single time. Count on it.

Uh, I don't know you...perhaps you're the nicest dude on the face of the planet.

However.

You're talking to people who've been here since this board launched, and you're talking to them poorly.

You should care "what (we) are used to here", because it's helped make this community what it is, allowing folks like you to come any enjoy a great place to talk VALIANT, meet great folks, and generally have fun.

This is the culture WE have cultivated here. This is who we are. This is how we do things here.

There's always a slice of humor in most everything we do here, so I'd suggest relaxing a little, and understanding that it's just the atmosphere here.

We have mods who're more then willing, and much more then capable of doing what they need to in order to keep a thread going the direction they want.

So please...and I mean this in the absolute nicest way possible...lighten up a little.

You're right, I can lighten up, and I will try to be careful about this.
I do respect that a community has evolved, and thats a good thing.

But simply put, how long someone has been here or how many times they have posted makes no difference to me when I see a post from them. Each post stands on its own merits.

Maybe the mods can clarify this, but this community is based on a shared interest in Valiant comics. And as the community grows and as valiant becomes more a part of the present there will be more people coming for talk about the comics who find certain brands of humor extraneous and peripheral to that objective. I've always believed there are other fellow members who don't find it their thing. But perhaps I can adjust by coming into the non-Valiant based threads and offering critiques on the value of those threads.

Instead, I'd rather just see some threads [not all] for straightforward discussion that don't don't get sidetracked on some inane [sorry, but thats how I see some of them] tangent. Is that more important than having a place to enjoy and discuss Valiant comics together?

Mutual respect seems the better option to me.

[Geomancer]

And there's really no one to "go to" with the very solid investigative work you guys have done, because everyone who could actually tell you, it would be against their interest to tell you (and in the case of Lovitz, it would actually be unethical for him to tell you).

As some other poster mentioned, the only way we'd ever prove this (other than anonymous sources) is if someone acted against their own interests, which is pretty unlikely (to the point of near impossibility).

What about Christopher Priest? He knows who they are and he doesn't seem to have any stake in the LLC.

Consider this;

According to Priest, VIP was talking to him about bringing back Quantum & Woody, yet the ashcan they released presented a completely different version of the characters.

What does that mean? That VEI blocked them from using the real versions, that talks with Priest didn't go anywhere, or that they never took place?

i wondered about that too, unless priest and bright had confirmed what TWT had been telling us all along, that essentially they had a window of opportunity and missed it.

in that case then it makes perfect sense for VIP to go after the trademarks of Q&W just like they'd done with everything else.

Since VIP was out to screw Priest, he wouldn't have any loyalty toward them, so he might reveal who they were.

Did he actually talk with VIP or did he communicate with them through a representative?

It's unlikely that VIP considered themselves super-secretive that early.
What they did was slick, in a bragging rights sort of way... before the auction.

Once they realized that Taddeo wasn't going to control Valiant,
and that all parties were aware of the upcoming battle in court,
VIP had more reason to become "lawyer only".

My guess is that Priest would know exactly who he was talking with.

The angle on Christopher Priest is a very interesting and promising one.

He seems like a straight shooter to me and perhaps if he were interviewed he would not be legally restrained from saying anything and if he's out of the business for good - then it shouldn't impact him professionally.

Perhaps there was a group of people involved in the beginning, some of whom went forward in one direction while those who didn't agree with it dropped out. So while Priest began talking with one, as the situation developed as it did, those people might have dropped out.

[ManofTheAtom]

The angle on Christopher Priest is a very interesting and promising one.

He seems like a straight shooter to me and perhaps if he were interviewed he would not be legally restrained from saying anything and if he's out of the business for good - then it shouldn't impact him professionally.

Perhaps there was a group of people involved in the beginning, some of whom went forward in one direction while those who didn't agree with it dropped out. So while Priest began talking with one, as the situation developed as it did, those people might have dropped out.

I don't know if Brian Cronin is watching this thread, but in case he's not you might consider emailing him this latest idea and see if he can do anything with it and contact Priest to ask him about it.

[Geomancer]

The angle on Christopher Priest is a very interesting and promising one.

He seems like a straight shooter to me and perhaps if he were interviewed he would not be legally restrained from saying anything and if he's out of the business for good - then it shouldn't impact him professionally.

Perhaps there was a group of people involved in the beginning, some of whom went forward in one direction while those who didn't agree with it dropped out. So while Priest began talking with one, as the situation developed as it did, those people might have dropped out.

I don't know if Brian Cronin is watching this thread, but in case he's not you might consider emailing him this latest idea and see if he can do anything with it and contact Priest to ask him about it.

Will do.

[Daniel Jackson]

Maybe the mods can clarify this, but this community is based on a shared interest in Valiant comics. And as the community grows and as valiant becomes more a part of the present there will be more people coming for talk about the comics who find certain brands of humor extraneous and peripheral to that objective. I've always believed there are other fellow members who don't find it their thing. But perhaps I can adjust by coming into the non-Valiant based threads and offering critiques on the value of those threads.

Instead, I'd rather just see some threads [not all] for straightforward discussion that don't don't get sidetracked on some inane [sorry, but thats how I see some of them] tangent. Is that more important than having a place to enjoy and discuss Valiant comics together?

Mutual respect seems the better option to me.

It's true, this is a community based on our shared interest in Valiant. Keep in mind though, that the biggest part of things that are discussed around here have been done to death. The jokes and friendly non topic posts help to lighten the tone a bit and keep people more interested in participating with discussions vs reading the same topic being talked about again and again.

It's not a method that everyone takes a shine to, but it's the way we have been doing things around here for some time now and actually works quite well. You won't find a nicer bunch of people to talk Valiant with.

[Geomancer]

Maybe the mods can clarify this, but this community is based on a shared interest in Valiant comics. And as the community grows and as valiant becomes more a part of the present there will be more people coming for talk about the comics who find certain brands of humor extraneous and peripheral to that objective. I've always believed there are other fellow members who don't find it their thing. But perhaps I can adjust by coming into the non-Valiant based threads and offering critiques on the value of those threads.

Instead, I'd rather just see some threads [not all] for straightforward discussion that don't don't get sidetracked on some inane [sorry, but thats how I see some of them] tangent. Is that more important than having a place to enjoy and discuss Valiant comics together?

Mutual respect seems the better option to me.

It's true, this is a community based on our shared interest in Valiant. Keep in mind though, that the biggest part of things that are discussed around here have been done to death. The jokes and friendly non topic posts help to lighten the tone a bit and keep people more interested in participating with discussions vs reading the same topic being talked about again and again.

It's not a method that everyone takes a shine to, but it's the way we have been doing things around here for some time now and actually works quite well. You won't find a nicer bunch of people to talk Valiant with.

I absolutely respect that, thank you.

I have not posted more often during my time here for 2 reasons. The first is that it is hard as you say to bring up anything that hasn't already been brought up once or perhaps several times before.

The survival mechanism, the in-humor, etc. - is something i can respect from people who have kept the torch lit through dark times. However, that same mechanism can become counterproductive if it isn't dialed back a little or at least used a little more selectively when there actually are discussions going on.

Don't we all hope to see more people coming back to Valiant? When they do - sure they are going to repeat things previously discussed by others here - but its new for them. For those who have been here, sure they can say 'we've already talked about what you are discussing now time and time again.' But would it not be better to just appreciate their enthusiasm for valiant, and if we've become jaded to a particular topic, simply spend our time instead in other topics we prefer?

The second reason I hadn't posted more - not sharing certain types of humor - does not interfere with my ability, interest and willingness to discuss Valiant with those same individuals. And I look forward to that very much, as i always have.

[slym2none]

And the Ark of the Covenant had a DF sticker on it...

Those motherlovers!

WATCH THE LANGUAGE! I mean, what the french, toast!!!





-slym

[jedimarley]

I don't know what you are used to in here. I don't really care. But if I ask a question or get involved in a discussion and see comments that challenge or mock the discussion itself - I will respond the way I have every single time. Count on it.

Uh, I don't know you...perhaps you're the nicest dude on the face of the planet.

However.

You're talking to people who've been here since this board launched, and you're talking to them poorly.

You should care "what (we) are used to here", because it's helped make this community what it is, allowing folks like you to come any enjoy a great place to talk VALIANT, meet great folks, and generally have fun.

This is the culture WE have cultivated here. This is who we are. This is how we do things here.

There's always a slice of humor in most everything we do here, so I'd suggest relaxing a little, and understanding that it's just the atmosphere here.

We have mods who're more then willing, and much more then capable of doing what they need to in order to keep a thread going the direction they want.

So please...and I mean this in the absolute nicest way possible...lighten up a little.

You're right, I can lighten up, and I will try to be careful about this.
I do respect that a community has evolved, and thats a good thing.

But simply put, how long someone has been here or how many times they have posted makes no difference to me when I see a post from them. Each post stands on its own merits.

Maybe the mods can clarify this, but this community is based on a shared interest in Valiant comics. And as the community grows and as valiant becomes more a part of the present there will be more people coming for talk about the comics who find certain brands of humor extraneous and peripheral to that objective. I've always believed there are other fellow members who don't find it their thing. But perhaps I can adjust by coming into the non-Valiant based threads and offering critiques on the value of those threads.

Instead, I'd rather just see some threads [not all] for straightforward discussion that don't don't get sidetracked on some inane [sorry, but thats how I see some of them] tangent. Is that more important than having a place to enjoy and discuss Valiant comics together?

Mutual respect seems the better option to me.

Did he just tell cin to go F himself???

[Geomancer]

Did he just tell cin to go F himself???

No, that was not my intention.

[Daniel Jackson]

Did he just tell cin to go F himself???

No, that was not my intention.

Don't mind him, he's just ribbing you.

[Geomancer]

Did he just tell cin to go F himself???

No, that was not my intention.

Don't mind him, he's just ribbing you.

Thank you. I just wanted to make sure.

[jedimarley]

Did he just tell cin to go F himself???

No, that was not my intention.

Don't mind him, he's just ribbing you.

"Don't mind him"????

[greg]

Did he just tell cin to go F himself???

No, that was not my intention.

Don't mind him, he's just ribbing you.

"Don't mind him"????

If jedimarley takes the time to get the ribbed version, you better pay him some attention.