Unity .... what does it MEAN?!!

[lorddunlow]

How many issues of Unity 2000 saw the newsstand? Out of how many?

Bugsy, what is GK?

I don't think VEI is going to try and reconcile 90's VU, Acclaim and theirs together. Way, way too much to sort out.
It'd be nearly like Crisis '86 in some way.

Gold Key - Magnus, Solar, Turok

[greg]

How many issues of Unity 2000 saw the newsstand? Out of how many?

Bugsy, what is GK?

I don't think VEI is going to try and reconcile 90's VU, Acclaim and theirs together. Way, way too much to sort out.
It'd be nearly like Crisis '86 in some way.

3 out of 6 of Unity 2000 were printed. (I know it's not what you meant, but none were newsstand. All were 'direct market only')

GK is "Gold Key" the actual owners of Magnus, Solar, and Turok. (Gold Key was purchased by Random House, Classic Media handles licenses, etc.)

Yeah, I wouldn't think Valiant would even bother trying to reconcile old Valiant and new Valiant, but all the interviews keep saying that Unity is something we won't expect, but something that we'll think was "obvious" after we find out what it is.

So, I was thinking Valiant might do like the Star Trek reboot and explain why "old Spock" is from a Star Trek that isn't the current Star Trek, but doesn't invalidate the old.
Just like they didn't use Shatner in the Star Trek reboot explanation, you wouldn't need Magnus, Solar, and Turok in the Valiant reboot.

[Chiclo]

So, I was thinking Valiant might do like the Star Trek reboot and explain why "old Spock" is from a Star Trek that isn't the current Star Trek, but doesn't invalidate the old.
Just like they didn't use Shatner in the Star Trek reboot explanation, you wouldn't need Magnus, Solar, and Turok in the Valiant reboot.

I decry all that as jibber-jabber.

[leonmallett]

So, I was thinking Valiant might do like the Star Trek reboot and explain why "old Spock" is from a Star Trek that isn't the current Star Trek, but doesn't invalidate the old.
Just like they didn't use Shatner in the Star Trek reboot explanation, you wouldn't need Magnus, Solar, and Turok in the Valiant reboot.

I decry all that as jibber-jabber.

I pretty much hope that they (VEI) don't feel any need to draw in the old VH1 and/or Acclaim stuff - at this stage they have a nice, cleanly constructed universe and I honestly think that bogging that down with extraneous continuity would be a mis-step.

One thing that has occurred to me is about the use of Omega in a few story titles, and it feels too much to be a coincidence, but you never know.

[Captain Craig]

I could see trying to reconcile Valiant 1.0, 2.0(Acclaim) with VEI's 3.0 as potentially driving people away and giving those who've not yet tried it a reason to stay away.

That's a lot of baggage if they go that route. If there were plenty of digital copies or even collected runs in TPB that people could access the older material in order to relate, that would be one thing. But that doesn't exist.

[Shadowman99]

One thing that has occurred to me is about the use of Omega in a few story titles, and it feels too much to be a coincidence, but you never know.

I've noticed that. So what's 'Omega' all about? Is that some character from the VH1 universe or something?

[Zaphod]

Had a random thought over the weekend about "Unity .... what does it MEAN?!!"

WHAT IF...

Unity is a stand-alone story that explains how/why the original Valiant universe is/isn't the current Valiant universe?

Something that "unifies" the current Valiant universe with the "Valiant Masters" universe continually being reprinted.

Crisis on Infinite Earths, so soon?

It at least took DC 50 years or so to get to that point. As a 90's Valiant fan, I like it. I kinda think it's an idea that has it's place years down the road. The Re-launch still needs to find it's own footing, imo.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, if I could find the thread (lazy) I'd point out that when the question was asked "how would you bring back valiant" a 12 issue, Crisis mini-series was an idea I had.

This is why I don't write comic books, of course.

[Zaphod]

having had a night to think about it, if VEI purchase the GK3, then that would make Gregs Unity idea perfectly plausible and would also satisfy Dinesh's explanation that as soon as we know the plot for Unity, it would make sense that it couldn't go any other way.

[vaevictis]

I actually wouldn't mind, some time down the road (way down) a one-shot crossover with the GK three. Kind of like a send off.

[Bl00dsh0t]

I would love to see Turok in the Faraway and that being the destination for UNITY. Turok could add a little something to the line which fits in well with the Faraway.

[Ramses818]

I have nothing of substance to add to this thread I just like to see it kept alive..lol. I am still excited for unity and I hope come Comic Con we get some juicy info...Anybody know Dinesh's favorite alcoholic beverage yet?

[Elveen]

I can't wait for the Unity books.
It is such a great concept. Stoked!

[jmatt]

I have nothing of substance to add to this thread I just like to see it kept alive..lol. I am still excited for unity and I hope come Comic Con we get some juicy info...Anybody know Dinesh's favorite alcoholic beverage yet?

Not sure about that, but when it comes to bottled water I know he likes Sham-Dasani.

[lorddunlow]

I have nothing of substance to add to this thread I just like to see it kept alive..lol. I am still excited for unity and I hope come Comic Con we get some juicy info...Anybody know Dinesh's favorite alcoholic beverage yet?

Not sure about that, but when it comes to bottled water I know he likes Sham-Dasani.

[bygranddesign]

A couple of revelations that came out of Planet Death that might be interesting and play a part in Unity.

1st that the Hara Vine was not born from Loam.. that its not from any world that they have seen. That its a mystery. Seems like a good indication that its from the faraway. The faraway has both the feeling of worldly/organic and futuristic. The water is Mercury. The plants are jade. The sun stands still. There is an all powerful boon that can sustain life but also destroy it. And there are dinosaurs mixed with aliens mixed with aliens with robot spider legs. In other words, the type of place where a plant could create an all powerful armor of mass destruction.

Secondly, that the character depicted in the Vine origin story as vine was actually human. Who was the human that saved the vine from the torment eons ago in the beginning of their civilization?

[Shadowman99]

Secondly, that the character depicted in the Vine origin story as vine was actually human. Who was the human that saved the vine from the torment eons ago in the beginning of their civilization?

Aric! Using his time-travelling spaceship!

Actually I don't read X-O so I have no idea. Hahaha!

[hunter_peterson]

A couple of revelations that came out of Planet Death that might be interesting and play a part in Unity.

1st that the Hara Vine was not born from Loam.. that its not from any world that they have seen. That its a mystery. Seems like a good indication that its from the faraway. The faraway has both the feeling of worldly/organic and futuristic. The water is Mercury. The plants are jade. The sun stands still. There is an all powerful boon that can sustain life but also destroy it. And there are dinosaurs mixed with aliens mixed with aliens with robot spider legs. In other words, the type of place where a plant could create an all powerful armor of mass destruction.

Secondly, that the character depicted in the Vine origin story as vine was actually human. Who was the human that saved the vine from the torment eons ago in the beginning of their civilization?

I think that the Faraway will definitely be central to Unity. Maybe an invasion from the future using it as the staging ground for the army to enter the present? Who knows. But the Faraway is slowly knitting together all the threads of the Valiant Universe...

Also, I'd bet that the liberator of the Vine is Aric, somehow, or someone closely connected to him.

[bygranddesign]

Also, I'd bet that the liberator of the Vine is Aric, somehow, or someone closely connected to him.

I think there are two aspects of the Vine origin story that needs to be revealed/cleared up

1 - Someone took the Hara Vine from the Faraway(I think this is a fair assumption that the vine came from there) and planted it on Loam

2 - A human came from somewhere(the faraway again?) years(?) later and used the armor to save the Vine from the torment

I can see Aric being involved in one or both of those things (this is assuming that time doesn't work the same way within the faraway and there are gateways to different periods of time and different worlds and Aric used a faraway gateway to go into the past and onto loam)

[Zaphod]

2 - A human came from somewhere(the faraway again?) years(?) later and used the armor to save the Vine from the torment

now where do we know a "time traveler" type character who has been to the faraway but hasn't really shown up in the VEI universe just yet?

A hint, his name isn't Doctor.

though if it should end up being the case that he travels via blue police box, I am throwing all of my money at Dinesh

[hunter_peterson]

2 - A human came from somewhere(the faraway again?) years(?) later and used the armor to save the Vine from the torment

now where do we know a "time traveler" type character who has been to the faraway but hasn't really shown up in the VEI universe just yet?

A hint, his name isn't Doctor.

though if it should end up being the case that he travels via blue police box, I am throwing all of my money at Dinesh

That would be pretty awesome if Timewalker set the whole Vine culture up to create Aric for some reason. I can imagine him liberating the Vine in a sad, be,used way, knowing what they will become, but that they need to exist for XO to fulfil some purpose.

That would actually be a good origin for basically all the Valiant things teased by the Faraway... Bloodshot, Rai and Psi-Lords... the Boon... the existence of psiots... XO. Maybe even the accident of Quantum and Woody, and the creation of the Shadowman? Hmm...

[Shadowman99]

2 - A human came from somewhere(the faraway again?) years(?) later and used the armor to save the Vine from the torment

now where do we know a "time traveler" type character who has been to the faraway but hasn't really shown up in the VEI universe just yet?

A hint, his name isn't Doctor.

though if it should end up being the case that he travels via blue police box, I am throwing all of my money at Dinesh

That would be pretty awesome if Timewalker set the whole Vine culture up to create Aric for some reason. I can imagine him liberating the Vine in a sad, be,used way, knowing what they will become, but that they need to exist for XO to fulfil some purpose.

That would actually be a good origin for basically all the Valiant things teased by the Faraway... Bloodshot, Rai and Psi-Lords... the Boon... the existence of psiots... XO. Maybe even the accident of Quantum and Woody, and the creation of the Shadowman? Hmm...

Wouldn't that sort of make Timewalker a sort of 'God' of the Valiant universe then? (I don't know *anything* about Timewalker so if he actually is a sort of 'God' character sorry - didn't know!)

[BugsySig]

2 - A human came from somewhere(the faraway again?) years(?) later and used the armor to save the Vine from the torment

now where do we know a "time traveler" type character who has been to the faraway but hasn't really shown up in the VEI universe just yet?

A hint, his name isn't Doctor.

though if it should end up being the case that he travels via blue police box, I am throwing all of my money at Dinesh

That would be pretty awesome if Timewalker set the whole Vine culture up to create Aric for some reason. I can imagine him liberating the Vine in a sad, be,used way, knowing what they will become, but that they need to exist for XO to fulfil some purpose.

That would actually be a good origin for basically all the Valiant things teased by the Faraway... Bloodshot, Rai and Psi-Lords... the Boon... the existence of psiots... XO. Maybe even the accident of Quantum and Woody, and the creation of the Shadowman? Hmm...

Wouldn't that sort of make Timewalker a sort of 'God' of the Valiant universe then? (I don't know *anything* about Timewalker so if he actually is a sort of 'God' character sorry - didn't know!)

No, he was never god-like. That was Solar's job. He's the one who created the VH1 Universe. Ivar, manipulating events through out time (and space?), could be a way to "unite" the universe.

[Shadowman99]

2 - A human came from somewhere(the faraway again?) years(?) later and used the armor to save the Vine from the torment

now where do we know a "time traveler" type character who has been to the faraway but hasn't really shown up in the VEI universe just yet?

A hint, his name isn't Doctor.

though if it should end up being the case that he travels via blue police box, I am throwing all of my money at Dinesh

That would be pretty awesome if Timewalker set the whole Vine culture up to create Aric for some reason. I can imagine him liberating the Vine in a sad, be,used way, knowing what they will become, but that they need to exist for XO to fulfil some purpose.

That would actually be a good origin for basically all the Valiant things teased by the Faraway... Bloodshot, Rai and Psi-Lords... the Boon... the existence of psiots... XO. Maybe even the accident of Quantum and Woody, and the creation of the Shadowman? Hmm...

Wouldn't that sort of make Timewalker a sort of 'God' of the Valiant universe then? (I don't know *anything* about Timewalker so if he actually is a sort of 'God' character sorry - didn't know!)

No, he was never god-like. That was Solar's job. He's the one who created the VH1 Universe. Ivar, manipulating events through out time (and space?), could be a way to "unite" the universe.

So, Solar or Timewalker created the universe? Wasn't quite clear from your wording...
But I see what you're getting at with the idea of 'uniting' the universe in the near future

[BugsySig]

2 - A human came from somewhere(the faraway again?) years(?) later and used the armor to save the Vine from the torment

now where do we know a "time traveler" type character who has been to the faraway but hasn't really shown up in the VEI universe just yet?

A hint, his name isn't Doctor.

though if it should end up being the case that he travels via blue police box, I am throwing all of my money at Dinesh

That would be pretty awesome if Timewalker set the whole Vine culture up to create Aric for some reason. I can imagine him liberating the Vine in a sad, be,used way, knowing what they will become, but that they need to exist for XO to fulfil some purpose.

That would actually be a good origin for basically all the Valiant things teased by the Faraway... Bloodshot, Rai and Psi-Lords... the Boon... the existence of psiots... XO. Maybe even the accident of Quantum and Woody, and the creation of the Shadowman? Hmm...

Wouldn't that sort of make Timewalker a sort of 'God' of the Valiant universe then? (I don't know *anything* about Timewalker so if he actually is a sort of 'God' character sorry - didn't know!)

No, he was never god-like. That was Solar's job. He's the one who created the VH1 Universe. Ivar, manipulating events through out time (and space?), could be a way to "unite" the universe.

So, Solar or Timewalker created the universe? Wasn't quite clear from your wording...
But I see what you're getting at with the idea of 'uniting' the universe in the near future

Sorry, that wasn't very clear was it? Solar (or rather Phil Seleski) was responsible for the creation of the VH1 universe. I think Timewalker as the great manipulator, not as a god-like character, would be a cool way to unite things across the new VALIANT universe. That was never Ivar's role in VH1, but would seem to fit what we have seen of his character thus far.

Also, did anyone else notice on the banner image for the trading card set that Ivar and Mary-Maria are featured as part of the group shot in that barren landscape?

[Captain Craig]

Trading card set? Missed that one, so I'm unclear on the banner of which you reference.