Archer & Armstrong #13 Discussion

[greg]

Keeping with our "going out on a limb too far" theme here...

If Obadiah is the son of Armstrong and Mary-Maria, and if both parents are nanite-infused,
then Obadiah would be "born of the nanites" in a way that Bloodshot never was.

Perhaps those who are "born of nanites" are more powerful than those who are only infused.

If that's true, Obadiah could destroy Bloodshot... seems like we've heard that somewhere.

[lorddunlow]

Keeping with our "going out on a limb too far" theme here...

If Obadiah is the son of Armstrong and Mary-Maria, and if both parents are nanite-infused,
then Obadiah would be "born of the nanites" in a way that Bloodshot never was.

Perhaps those who are "born of nanites" are more powerful than those who are only infused.

If that's true, Obadiah could destroy Bloodshot... seems like we've heard that somewhere.

Where is that ignore button? I gotta get this talk out of my head!

You're unfortunately making a lot of sense.

[hunter_peterson]

Keeping with our "going out on a limb too far" theme here...

If Obadiah is the son of Armstrong and Mary-Maria, and if both parents are nanite-infused,
then Obadiah would be "born of the nanites" in a way that Bloodshot never was.

Perhaps those who are "born of nanites" are more powerful than those who are only infused.

If that's true, Obadiah could destroy Bloodshot... seems like we've heard that somewhere.

Where is that ignore button? I gotta get this talk out of my head!

You're unfortunately making a lot of sense.

Of course, Obie Archer is actually the most dangerous guy in the Valiant Universe. He beat Gilad at COMBAT without breaking a sweat, can access any skill humanity has ever known, add new skills and fight off psychic intruders. There's no telling what tricks he could pull out against ANYONE. He could beat Harada, Aric and Bloodshot all. Especially if he ends up in the future- his access to the Akashic Record would probably get updated to include all kinds of things we never knew of.

Also, he's a sex ninja.

[jmatt]

...Rai?

I like this idea much better than Aram being Archer's father.

[Phoenix8008]

Keeping with our "going out on a limb too far" theme here...

If Obadiah is the son of Armstrong and Mary-Maria, and if both parents are nanite-infused,
then Obadiah would be "born of the nanites" in a way that Bloodshot never was.

Perhaps those who are "born of nanites" are more powerful than those who are only infused.

If that's true, Obadiah could destroy Bloodshot... seems like we've heard that somewhere.

Where is that ignore button? I gotta get this talk out of my head!

You're unfortunately making a lot of sense.

Of course, Obie Archer is actually the most dangerous guy in the Valiant Universe. He beat Gilad at COMBAT without breaking a sweat, can access any skill humanity has ever known, add new skills and fight off psychic intruders. There's no telling what tricks he could pull out against ANYONE. He could beat Harada, Aric and Bloodshot all. Especially if he ends up in the future- his access to the Akashic Record would probably get updated to include all kinds of things we never knew of.

Also, he's a sex ninja.

But he was just in the Hypershpere, which is outside of time and accessible to any timeline potentially, does that mean he just got a download to update the Akashic Record from everywhen!?

[Blood of Heroes]

...Rai?

I like this idea much better than Aram being Archer's father.

It seems like it would be hard for Armstrong and MM to have a Japanese baby.

[lorddunlow]

...Rai?

I like this idea much better than Aram being Archer's father.

It seems like it would be hard for Armstrong and MM to have a Japanese baby.

Racist. Next you'll be saying Rai can't be black.

[greg]

...Rai?

I like this idea much better than Aram being Archer's father.

It seems like it would be hard for Armstrong and MM to have a Japanese baby.

Racist. Next you'll be saying Rai can't be black.

If Rai was black, they'd pronounce it 'Ray' and he'd be blind and play the piano.
Unless he was known as Sugar Rai ... then he'd be a boxer.

[bygranddesign]

...Rai?

I like this idea much better than Aram being Archer's father.

It seems like it would be hard for Armstrong and MM to have a Japanese baby.

Aram, Mary-Maria and Toyo three way??




Heck, throw the Bleeding Monk in there also.



Another potential Unity cover ?? A new spin on the pullbox cover ...

[hunter_peterson]

Keeping with our "going out on a limb too far" theme here...

If Obadiah is the son of Armstrong and Mary-Maria, and if both parents are nanite-infused,
then Obadiah would be "born of the nanites" in a way that Bloodshot never was.

Perhaps those who are "born of nanites" are more powerful than those who are only infused.

If that's true, Obadiah could destroy Bloodshot... seems like we've heard that somewhere.

Where is that ignore button? I gotta get this talk out of my head!

You're unfortunately making a lot of sense.

Of course, Obie Archer is actually the most dangerous guy in the Valiant Universe. He beat Gilad at COMBAT without breaking a sweat, can access any skill humanity has ever known, add new skills and fight off psychic intruders. There's no telling what tricks he could pull out against ANYONE. He could beat Harada, Aric and Bloodshot all. Especially if he ends up in the future- his access to the Akashic Record would probably get updated to include all kinds of things we never knew of.

Also, he's a sex ninja.

But he was just in the Hypershpere, which is outside of time and accessible to any timeline potentially, does that mean he just got a download to update the Akashic Record from everywhen!?

I would say not, because the Hypersphere exists outside of time, not at the culmination of it. If the Akashic Record builds over human history, it would have to be downloaded at later points for him to be "updated." Now, time isn't linear, so you'd think there might be some feedback of Akashic information, especially because there's the Time Arcs serving as connectors. So he probably picked up some stuff from the people who were IN the Faraway, but I wouldn't guess more.

Either way; everyone's lucky he's nice. Which is why Dark Archer will be an utter badass.

[BugsySig]

...Rai?

I like this idea much better than Aram being Archer's father.

It seems like it would be hard for Armstrong and MM to have a Japanese baby.

That's why I speculated their child could be the source of the "Blood of Heroes" which are later infused into the Rais in the future and *SQUEE* into the Bloodshot technology in the past.

[jmatt]

...Rai?

I like this idea much better than Aram being Archer's father.

It seems like it would be hard for Armstrong and MM to have a Japanese baby.

That's why I speculated their child could be the source of the "Blood of Heroes" which are later infused into the Rais in the future and *SQUEE* into the Bloodshot technology in the past.

But that would mean Aram is the pro-genitor of the nanites which are eventually used to make him who he is.

Aram is his own father.

[greg]

Aram is his own father.

It's an effective way to become immortal.

[Blood of Heroes]

...Rai?

I like this idea much better than Aram being Archer's father.

It seems like it would be hard for Armstrong and MM to have a Japanese baby.

Racist. Next you'll be saying Rai can't be black.

[String]

I don't blame Mary Maria at all, she is 18 and bound to make some bad decisions or maybe she was being controlled who knows. Aram is 6000 years old, what's his excuse? He can't handle his liquor? Aram made the conscious decision to hurt his best friend by putting his base desires ahead of the feelings of his best friend, sorry doesn't cut it. He must have very little regard for Archer or he wouldn't have done it. He's a scumbag.

That's the worst part in all of this. Aram betrayed Archer's trust. It is going to be intersting to see how FVL handles this and he has turned Aram into a very unsympathetic character.

+1

Argue all you want about whether or not an immortal should shag an 18-year old girl, but this is the heart of the matter for me. He betrayed Obie, pure and simple. Armstrong knew about Obie's feelings toward Mary-Maria and he did this anyway. He can blame the drink, the smoke, but after 6000 years, he should know how would act when he's drunk. I cheered when Obie popped him in the face.

After this fiasco, I'm looking more forward to the fulfilling of Ivar's statement concerning Obie's Love of his Life, Faith!

[Big Red]

I really liked this issue.

I'll miss General Redacted. He was fun.


Also...

More Ivar!!!

[Aomalle27]

Finally getting into the good stuff, like the direction the title is going, less goofball stuff (ala Q&W which I do love by the way) and more meat and potatoes adventure. Loving that Archer abandoned them in the Faraway, hoping to see a less geezwhiz character develop in the near future. (the golly gee Archer is really grating on me), and this developing dynamic between Armstrong and a for the present, gone Archer, what with the Mary Maria situation, that's just a diamond in the rough. Hoping for more adventures in the Faraway, but I do have a couple of questions, If the water wasn't water, then what do the Roanoakes drink? Dino blood? And how do they cultivate crops? again, no water. Bring on the SEct WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bl00dsh0t]

Everything about this arc was mindblowing with #13 maintaining the quality.

There are so many possibilities moving forward as a result of the outcomes from this arc.

The Faraway is great, Timewalker, the Archer/Armstrong dynamic, Bloodshot, Faith, future Harbinger Wars, the Goat - whilst I'm really excited about UNITY, this 4 issue arc is the binding of the Valiant U in my eyes.

Well done

[BugsySig]

Finally getting into the good stuff, like the direction the title is going, less goofball stuff (ala Q&W which I do love by the way) and more meat and potatoes adventure. Loving that Archer abandoned them in the Faraway, hoping to see a less geezwhiz character develop in the near future. (the golly gee Archer is really grating on me), and this developing dynamic between Armstrong and a for the present, gone Archer, what with the Mary Maria situation, that's just a diamond in the rough. Hoping for more adventures in the Faraway, but I do have a couple of questions, If the water wasn't water, then what do the Roanoakes drink? Dino blood? And how do they cultivate crops? again, no water. Bring on the SEct WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well they definitely eat dinosaur meat...

[Carson]

I don't think anyone eats, drinks, or ages in the faraway

[Aomalle27]

Well the Roanoakes said they eat dinosaur, actually whatever they called them giant lizards etc. So at least some of the residents of the Faraway eat

[lorddunlow]

From Archer and Armstrong #0:


I don't think they actually need to eat or drink there.

[Baramos]

They probably just like to eat, their instincts tell them to eat. Why do the dinosaurs still attack and eat people otherwise?

[Carson]

I agree with that. Anything that wasn't born in the faraway would still want to eat+drink, even if they don't need to.

[leonmallett]

This remains far and away my favourite VEI title.

I thought the issue had the twists and turns I have come to associate with it, and even the 'triangle' rang true - nothing felt forced.

Great art; great writing; great cliffhanger to the next arc.