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doodlebird wrote:Where are the Psi-Lords ?
The future! :P

Of the Rai book. Probably. Patience is a commodity I'm willing to spend on Valiant. :thumb:

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hunter_peterson wrote:Which would mean in October we will have:

XO Manowar
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HARDCorps.
This would be the best!!

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hunter_peterson wrote:
doodlebird wrote:Where are the Psi-Lords ?
The future! :P

Of the Rai book. Probably. Patience is a commodity I'm willing to spend on Valiant. :thumb:
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I'm liking this new Rai futuristic art. :clap: :clap: :thumb:

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lorddunlow wrote:I can't even entertain the possibility that A&A might be canceled. Hopefully we hear some news on what isn't being canceled.

I'll be ticked if either Bloodshot or A&A are canceled. Too much awesome in those characters/books to just trash them.
Same here. I can't imagine those titles won't resume their normal numbering and release at some point.

I have to say that when I first started reading about all these changes, I was a bit nervous and maybe even a little bit peeved.

But ya know what? I think this works. Being a big SA Marvel fan, I'm used to characters floating around in other titles (ie Avengers). So maybe we're looking at something a little different. A universe where normal numbering stops for a mini and then resumes if it still has a respectable following.

In VH1, when A&A numbers dwindled, Archer simply disappeared in to the Lost Land and that was that. So okay, if HardCorps isn't setting the world on fire with sales, there's nothing wrong with them appearing in other titles as we move forward, potentially building their audience.

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mateo107 wrote:
FormerReader wrote:Lots of great news today! :clap:
well, aside from Shirley Temple's death.
Well thanks a lot Debbie Downer. :P

Aside from Shirley Temple dying, lots of positive news. I love that they are mixing things up. So much to be excited about! :clap:

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lorddunlow wrote:
bygranddesign wrote:
Bone-A-Fach-ee wrote:Didn't read the article, but only saw the covers, and people's feedback here.
Is that Pete on the cover of Harbinger & Armor Hunters? Yes, we see Torque and Faith, but is that Pete?
I was curious about that too.
I don't think that's Pete ... its a really bad looking version of him if it is. He also has some glowing hand mojo working which Pete has never done before.
Doesn't look like Pete to me. Actually looks like it could possibly be Ax with a haircut, but so far Ax doesn't have any powers.
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Wow - Dino wasn't kidding about a series of right hooks coming! Hard to fully process all the news here.

I'm most excited for the RAI book - that was a great interview article with Matt describing the future setting of Japan & how he has worked out some of RAI's power set.

Also looking forward to the Dr. Mirage ongoing, glad to have another book set in the 'mystic' corner of the universe along with Shadowman. And speaking of that - I'm hoping we'll just see a return to the regular numbering after End Times to dig into that 12-18 issues worth of story from Milligan. I love hearing that there is a larger, deeper theme/plan in place behind his story.

Armor Hunters sounds even more compelling, now that we've heard it will delve further into the XO origin. I look forward to seeing the impact it has on the Valiant U, I hope they stick to their story-telling guns & create lasting repercussions that actually affect the other books where appropriate. I'm very curious about the two one-shots for Harbinger & Bloodshot.

Even after reading the speculation in this thread, I'm still not sure how the '9 ongoing titles' is going to work out after all the one-shots (which sound cool) & the Armor Hunters mini-series play out. We have 8 now, and they are adding two. It's hard to tell from the vague parts of the Dinesh/Warren interview exactly which title we are losing in the mix. I do hope it isn't Bloodshot, I like the idea of him returning to his own book free of the HARD Corps tie - although I am glad they got a chance to be present in his book while it lasted.

Regardless, it's fun to have this much exciting new news happening!! :thumb: :clap:
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grendeljd wrote:Wow - Dino wasn't kidding about a series of right hooks coming! Hard to fully process all the news here.

I'm most excited for the RAI book - that was a great interview article with Matt describing the future setting of Japan & how he has worked out some of RAI's power set.

Also looking forward to the Dr. Mirage ongoing, glad to have another book set in the 'mystic' corner of the universe along with Shadowman. And speaking of that - I'm hoping we'll just see a return to the regular numbering after End Times to dig into that 12-18 issues worth of story from Milligan. I love hearing that there is a larger, deeper theme/plan in place behind his story.

Armor Hunters sounds even more compelling, now that we've heard it will delve further into the XO origin. I look forward to seeing the impact it has on the Valiant U, I hope they stick to their story-telling guns & create lasting repercussions that actually affect the other books where appropriate. I'm very curious about the two one-shots for Harbinger & Bloodshot.

Even after reading the speculation in this thread, I'm still not sure how the '9 ongoing titles' is going to work out after all the one-shots (which sound cool) & the Armor Hunters mini-series play out. We have 8 now, and they are adding two. It's hard to tell from the vague parts of the Dinesh/Warren interview exactly which title we are losing in the mix. I do hope it isn't Bloodshot, I like the idea of him returning to his own book free of the HARD Corps tie - although I am glad they got a chance to be present in his book while it lasted.

Regardless, it's fun to have this much exciting new news happening!! :thumb: :clap:
I remember the days when news was somebody finding a new variant, or having 100 copies of Rai # 3.

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Oh god. So much good stuff. I don't think my wallet's gonna be able to handle it anymore.

Rai looks fantastic. Loving the redesign, loving the talk of the lore and world-building, loving everything. One of my notable nervous gripes about Rai being in the future was him being disconnected from the rest of the universe: the connections are definitely there, but I wonder where it will go.

Dr. Mirage also sounds great. Honestly didn't think we'd be keeping Hwen, but it makes sense. Hopefully she can help tie with both Shadowman and the rest of the VU. Shadowman could certain use it.

Armor Hunters sounds neat. They're getting closer and closer to a straight-up full-universe crossover, and it sounds like it'll be sweet.

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grendeljd wrote:
Even after reading the speculation in this thread, I'm still not sure how the '9 ongoing titles' is going to work out after all the one-shots (which sound cool) & the Armor Hunters mini-series play out. We have 8 now, and they are adding two. It's hard to tell from the vague parts of the Dinesh/Warren interview exactly which title we are losing in the mix. I do hope it isn't Bloodshot
Im guessing the delinquents will be a mini-series that will replace 2 titles. That's how I think they will keep it to 9 most of the year.

Of course when the mini ends hopefully QW and AA go back to their respective titles.

And they even add more titles Hard Corp, Ninjak and/or Timewalker.

I'd like to see them at 11 ongoings by the end of the year
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bygranddesign wrote:
grendeljd wrote:
Even after reading the speculation in this thread, I'm still not sure how the '9 ongoing titles' is going to work out after all the one-shots (which sound cool) & the Armor Hunters mini-series play out. We have 8 now, and they are adding two. It's hard to tell from the vague parts of the Dinesh/Warren interview exactly which title we are losing in the mix. I do hope it isn't Bloodshot
Im guessing the delinquents will be a mini-series that will replace 2 titles. That's how I think they will keep it to 9 most of the year.

Of course when the mini ends hopefully QW and AA go back to their respective titles.

And they even add more titles Hard Corp, Ninjak and/or Timewalker.

I'd like to see them at 11 ongoings by the end of the year
From what Dino and the others were saying in all the interviews so far the 8-10 issue limitation is only for the Valiant First period. After that it'll likely revert to the normal books plus any new ongoings we get- I think HARDCorps will graduate, personally. Also, we should have an arc of Rai by then... a Timewalker book could be launched in October and fit perfectly in the new line, if set up right.

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Two things:

It's been stated that Armour Hunters is an 18-part event, so I think that some people's prediction lists of what books will feature as part of it are most likely correct. The Bloodshot and Harbinger 'Armour Hunters' books aren't going to be one-shots, they're going to be four-part runs like we saw in Harbinger Wars.

Secondly, everyone keeps talking about titles resuming their regular numbering after Armour Hunters/Valiant Firsts/miniseries 'event's: What makes everyone so sure that'll happen? It doesn't seem to have occurred to anybody that this might not be the case for every comic :? What are the chances that we might see (for example) a new run of Archer and Armstrong or Bloodshot that restart as new issue #1s after the event? Marvel do it all the time as part of keeping their sales model (seemingly) fresh, so why won't Valiant? It'd make a lot of sense in keeping with the Valiant Firsts scheme, in that restarting books from #1 again would extend the window of opportunity for new readers to jump onboard, therefore building the readership further.
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Shadowman99 wrote:Two things:

It's been stated that Armour Hunters is an 18-part event, so I think that some people's prediction lists of what books will feature as part of it are most likely correct. The Bloodshot and Harbinger 'Armour Hunters' books aren't going to be one-shots, they're going to be four-part runs like we saw in Harbinger Wars.

Secondly, everyone keeps talking about titles resuming their regular numbering after Armour Hunters/Valiant Firsts/miniseries 'event's: What makes everyone so sure that'll happen? It doesn't seem to have occurred to anybody that this might not be the case for every comic :? What are the chances that we might see (for example) a new run of Archer and Armstrong or Bloodshot that restart as new issue #1s after the event? Marvel do it all the time as part of keeping their sales model (seemingly) fresh, so why won't Valiant? It'd make a lot of sense in keeping with the Valiant Firsts scheme, in that restarting books from #1 again would extend the window of opportunity for new readers to jump onboard, therefore building the readership further.
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God I hope you're wrong about them starting over with #1 issues for their titles like A&A or Harbinger (or any of them really). That would *SQUEE* me off. That is one of the things I HATE about Marvel & DC right now. When growing up and first getting into comics, I knew a comic series was awesome and popular BECAUSE IT HAD 400, or 500, or 600 ISSUES AND IT WAS STILL GOING!!! Did that stop me from collecting Amazing Spider Man, or Spectacular, or Uncanny X-Men? It deterred me for a bit. But after I started on Web of Spider-Man #1 (I know, shooting my own theory in the foot some here, but not totally), I grew to love the character so much that I wanted more. So I DID start getting all the other Spider-Man books that were out and began collecting the back issues too. A new #1 issue can and will absolutely bring in new readers. But do it as a separate mini series or something that then pulls them into the regular ongoing series THAT DOESN'T GET REBOOTED EVERY 2 YEARS!!!

I was (am! I AM...) still looking forward to the day a year or two down the road when X-O, Harbinger, A&A, and Bloodshot all would have their new issue numbers being higher than anything else Marvel or DC was putting out because THEY keep rebooting everything. Marvel is ending Wolverine and the X-Men at issue 42. The next highest numbered titles I see from them on the Comichron.com 300 list are Daredevil 35 (ending at issue #36), Superior Spiderman 26 (going away as soon as Peter Parker returns), and Avengers 25 (which probably has the longest future of any Marvel title since Hickman said he had a three year plan for the story... although it's already been at a year or two so far). I want to see an X-O Manowar #50 issue while Marvel & DC only have things in the 20's or 30's! THEN who would look like top of the heap!? Shouldn't it be seen as a sign of weakness that they can't tell good enough stories to keep a title going for more than 2-3 years before needing a new #1? That's what it looks like to me, and I really hope that Valiant isn't jumping onto this bandwagon. I'd be really disappointed if they did. facepalm
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Phoenix8008 wrote:
Shadowman99 wrote:Two things:

It's been stated that Armour Hunters is an 18-part event, so I think that some people's prediction lists of what books will feature as part of it are most likely correct. The Bloodshot and Harbinger 'Armour Hunters' books aren't going to be one-shots, they're going to be four-part runs like we saw in Harbinger Wars.

Secondly, everyone keeps talking about titles resuming their regular numbering after Armour Hunters/Valiant Firsts/miniseries 'event's: What makes everyone so sure that'll happen? It doesn't seem to have occurred to anybody that this might not be the case for every comic :? What are the chances that we might see (for example) a new run of Archer and Armstrong or Bloodshot that restart as new issue #1s after the event? Marvel do it all the time as part of keeping their sales model (seemingly) fresh, so why won't Valiant? It'd make a lot of sense in keeping with the Valiant Firsts scheme, in that restarting books from #1 again would extend the window of opportunity for new readers to jump onboard, therefore building the readership further.
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God I hope you're wrong about them starting over with #1 issues for their titles like A&A or Harbinger (or any of them really). That would *SQUEE* me off. That is one of the things I HATE about Marvel & DC right now. When growing up and first getting into comics, I knew a comic series was awesome and popular BECAUSE IT HAD 400, or 500, or 600 ISSUES AND IT WAS STILL GOING!!! Did that stop me from collecting Amazing Spider Man, or Spectacular, or Uncanny X-Men? It deterred me for a bit. But after I started on Web of Spider-Man #1 (I know, shooting my own theory in the foot some here, but not totally), I grew to love the character so much that I wanted more. So I DID start getting all the other Spider-Man books that were out and began collecting the back issues too. A new #1 issue can and will absolutely bring in new readers. But do it as a separate mini series or something that then pulls them into the regular ongoing series THAT DOESN'T GET REBOOTED EVERY 2 YEARS!!!

I was (am! I AM...) still looking forward to the day a year or two down the road when X-O, Harbinger, A&A, and Bloodshot all would have their new issue numbers being higher than anything else Marvel or DC was putting out because THEY keep rebooting everything. Marvel is ending Wolverine and the X-Men at issue 42. The next highest numbered titles I see from them on the Comichron.com 300 list are Daredevil 35 (ending at issue #36), Superior Spiderman 26 (going away as soon as Peter Parker returns), and Avengers 25 (which probably has the longest future of any Marvel title since Hickman said he had a three year plan for the story... although it's already been at a year or two so far). I want to see an X-O Manowar #50 issue while Marvel & DC only have things in the 20's or 30's! THEN who would look like top of the heap!? Shouldn't it be seen as a sign of weakness that they can't tell good enough stories to keep a title going for more than 2-3 years before needing a new #1? That's what it looks like to me, and I really hope that Valiant isn't jumping onto this bandwagon. I'd be really disappointed if they did. facepalm
You know, I actually totally agree with you :D

I'm also hoping for the day where I'm reading Harbinger#50 or whatever, because that's the way I'd ideally have the comic industry work if it was up to me. And I agree that a comic numbered#600 or whatever definitely makes you think "Wow, this is a strong comic!" - but it also doesn't encourage new readers. I'd never pick up a comic that far along, having missed everything that had come before it, as it deterred you too with Uncanny X-Men and Spectacular, y'know?

Just thought it was odd that the possibility of new #1s hadn't occurred to anyone yet.

Shouldn't it be seen as a sign of weakness that they can't tell good enough stories to keep a title going for more than 2-3 years before needing a new #1? That's what it looks like to me.
That's the way I see it too. It seems that comics need *something* to drag in new customers to boost and keep the average sales figures up regularly, so at the expense of new #1s, other things will need to be done, like crossover events etc. But I'd prefer that to new #1s any day.
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Shadowman99 wrote:I'm also hoping for the day where I'm reading Harbinger#50 or whatever, because that's the way I'd ideally have the comic industry work if it was up to me. And I agree that a comic numbered#600 or whatever definitely makes you think "Wow, this is a strong comic!" - but it also doesn't encourage new readers. I'd never pick up a comic that far along, having missed everything that had come before it, as it deterred you too with Uncanny X-Men and Spectacular, y'know?
Great characters and great storytelling encourages new readers!

High issues numbers only deterred me for awhile, it didn't stop me in the end! I got hooked on Spider Man from a #1 issue that went ALONGSIDE the longer running Spectacular & Amazing titles. But I did end up collecting them. For Uncanny X-Men I don't even think it was a #1 of some newer "X" title that pulled me in. The earliest X-Men stuff I remember reading in high school was 'The Mutant Massacre' storyline in Uncanny #210-213 in late 1986. After doing some research, I see that the X-factor title was tied into the Mutant Massacre arc with issues 9-11. And I remember reading all that series too. So it is possible that I got hooked on X-Factor first, but I still did jump into collecting Uncanny with both feet despite it being above 200 issues! I know not everybody would, but if the focus is great stories and wonderful characters why would we assume that Valiant can't pull new people into a 20 issue series as well as Marvel or DC could pull people into a 200 issue ongoing series?
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I wish we were talking about books in the high 100s, low 200s. But, since that didnt work out...may this iteration love long and prosper-with current numbering.

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The biggest question for #1's is how many new readers does a #1 bring in vs. how many existing readers does it alienate, and potentially lose. From personal experience, when the VH1 line was relaunched under the Acclaim banner, I dropped all the titles. Not sure how many other readers that applies to, but looking at the VH1 sales numbers vs. the Acclaim numbers, it had to be significant. You have to throw in the decline of the speculatin era as well, so the numbers might not be that significant. Would be interesting to see some polling data on percentage of readers that Acclaim attracted that hadn't read the previous VH1 stuff, vs percentage of VH1 fans that never read any of the Acclaim stuff.

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Aomalle27 wrote:The biggest question for #1's is how many new readers does a #1 bring in vs. how many existing readers does it alienate, and potentially lose. From personal experience, when the VH1 line was relaunched under the Acclaim banner, I dropped all the titles. Not sure how many other readers that applies to, but looking at the VH1 sales numbers vs. the Acclaim numbers, it had to be significant. You have to throw in the decline of the speculatin era as well, so the numbers might not be that significant. Would be interesting to see some polling data on percentage of readers that Acclaim attracted that hadn't read the previous VH1 stuff, vs percentage of VH1 fans that never read any of the Acclaim stuff.
Agree (i think). Relaunches are great jumping off points. Even when i am not happy with a title i sometimes keep buying it because i am "invested" inseeing where it goes. When i collected way back when ghe constant relaunches were probably what got me out of comics. It was easy to stop buying a series that ended and simply avoid picking up the new series.
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SJS4 wrote:
Aomalle27 wrote:The biggest question for #1's is how many new readers does a #1 bring in vs. how many existing readers does it alienate, and potentially lose. From personal experience, when the VH1 line was relaunched under the Acclaim banner, I dropped all the titles. Not sure how many other readers that applies to, but looking at the VH1 sales numbers vs. the Acclaim numbers, it had to be significant. You have to throw in the decline of the speculatin era as well, so the numbers might not be that significant. Would be interesting to see some polling data on percentage of readers that Acclaim attracted that hadn't read the previous VH1 stuff, vs percentage of VH1 fans that never read any of the Acclaim stuff.
Agree (i think). Relaunches are great jumping off points. Even when i am not happy with a title i sometimes keep buying it because i am "invested" inseeing where it goes. When i collected way back when ghe constant relaunches were probably what got me out of comics. It was easy to stop buying a series that ended and simply avoid picking up the new series.
Definitely a double-edged sword. I haven't bought a single Marvel comic since the whole NOW! re-branding/re-booting etc.

[Uhh... except for a very few issues of Avengers, actually - I was drawn in by what Hickman might do with some New Universe characters... ]
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grendeljd wrote:
SJS4 wrote:
Aomalle27 wrote:The biggest question for #1's is how many new readers does a #1 bring in vs. how many existing readers does it alienate, and potentially lose. From personal experience, when the VH1 line was relaunched under the Acclaim banner, I dropped all the titles. Not sure how many other readers that applies to, but looking at the VH1 sales numbers vs. the Acclaim numbers, it had to be significant. You have to throw in the decline of the speculatin era as well, so the numbers might not be that significant. Would be interesting to see some polling data on percentage of readers that Acclaim attracted that hadn't read the previous VH1 stuff, vs percentage of VH1 fans that never read any of the Acclaim stuff.
Agree (i think). Relaunches are great jumping off points. Even when i am not happy with a title i sometimes keep buying it because i am "invested" inseeing where it goes. When i collected way back when ghe constant relaunches were probably what got me out of comics. It was easy to stop buying a series that ended and simply avoid picking up the new series.
Definitely a double-edged sword. I haven't bought a single Marvel comic since the whole NOW! re-branding/re-booting etc.

[Uhh... except for a very few issues of Avengers, actually - I was drawn in by what Hickman might do with some New Universe characters... ]
I started collecting Avengers and New Avengers for the exact same reason. Now of course, they've added a third title (Avengers World) and they are copying the trick used in All New X-Men of bringing some members from the past to the present to show contrast and drama and stuff. Because what Hickman was doing wasn't new and original enough or something??? So I've dropped those now too and I'm back to just Valiant. Hope they aren't starting down the path of reboot madness.
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I meant to pop in here and nerdgasm with everyone but only managed to end up at CBR. I like to keep the torch lit over there, keep Valiant threads visible and active, in hopes to catch the curious. Here is the choir.

Can I echo the RAI love any louder?!! I sure hope Crain is around for at minimum a year on the book. I'd love a RAI Deluxe that collects his first 13/14 issues like the current Deluxes have so far. The use of the Imperalistic Japanese flag has to be more than just an aesthetic change. I'm wondering if things are a bit totalitarian and if so could that be fall out from whatever has Japan looking futuristic in 4001 A.D. and the East coast-MSriver of North America very tribal and nomadic.

While I wasn't clamoring for Dr.Mirage the write up does have me intrigued. Just the mention of Hwen who to date wasn't even tied to this Dr.Mirage makes my interest piqued.

I'm holding out that there are no cancellations. That the info we have regarding Shadowman ongoing, pause--mini The End, resume ongoing, sounds like what Delinquents will be and....
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...this. I see the above as the breaking point of Bloodshot & HARD Corps like a few others have already mentioned. Bloodshot then resumes with issue #24 or #25 and HARD Corps either goes into limbo(which I doubt) or it gets his own title. VALIANT has twice thus far used Fall to launch titles. Nov '12 it was Shadowman and Oct '13 it was UNITY so if BS resumes numbering then HC could be the Fall '14 title.

With a RAI ongoing it seems ill timed to drop Bloodshot, the title that just screams obvious crossover of some type down the road. Then you have the possibility of ties to Harbinger with that mention of Livewire and this book seems to have the ground plowed for mention of, appearance of Psi Lords at some point.

I love A&A and while Q&W is now on my short list I do like that finally a year in they are getting cross exposure into the greater VEI Universe.

Year 3 starting this summer '14 seems to be the point at which the VALIANT Universe's carefully laid seeds will begin to give us the best crop to date!!

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I'm not so much concerned about the renumbering, as I am about either A) retelling the original story I've already read B) completely disregarding everything that's come before it, "reimagining" the concept. I've invested in these characters, and while I'm pleased with the new Shadowman, I would have been disappointed had VEI completely disregarded the events of the first 2 arcs. They've reinvented Shadowman, however they've maintained reverence towards characters that came before, such a Dox, and Baron Samedi and of course Darque. They didn't just scrap the old concepts and start anew. Still holding true to what long time readers have followed, while tweaking the concept to attract new readers.

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Captain Craig wrote:VALIANT has twice thus far used Fall to launch titles. Nov '12 it was Shadowman and Oct '13 it was UNITY so if BS resumes numbering then HC could be the Fall '14 title.

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Aomalle27 wrote:I'm not so much concerned about the renumbering, as I am about either A) retelling the original story I've already read B) completely disregarding everything that's come before it, "reimagining" the concept.
I feel the same way.


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